Would you donate money to this chap ?
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Originally posted by domonkassyu:
as this thread goes on..it goes to see so many singaporeans are so ugly..helping a life now only means if hes from singapore. a coin to help 2 distress people.yet the coin goes to the one that is from the same country yet not to the one more deserving.simply beautiful to how compassion can be nowadays. to those who says they are being leeched dry by these foreigners..aint you already used to being leeched by your leaders day in and out just to fill their already fat wallets?rather than being leeched dry by the not so useful leaders, isnt it better to use the $ to help deserving people?
80k is not enough.that poor bugger needs more than 300k to continue his miserable life.
to those that defended his cause,lets hope that you really donated and not just to be a moral hero here.
Given a choice, would singaporeans wanna be leeched dry? Come on, Do I need to spell that out for you? Open your eyes. I seriously wonder who is trying to be the moral hero here.
By being leeched dried by our leaders, does that mean that we should also be leeched by foreigners as well? Getting leeched by one party is a whole different thing from getting leeched by two parties. If $80k is not enough, just go to any hospital and interview the people there, How many of the people there are debt-ridden because of their illness? Look at the poor people in Singapore, how much allowance do they get per month? Like the government said, They will provide 2 meals per day and poor family has to worked for their last meal. Shouldn't such a concept be used in such a case as well? It is also a matter of life and death. A family can consist up to 4 or 5 members. Would you save 5 lives or just 1?
So seriously, why don't you put your mouth where your money is and stop trying to being all morally-upright when you're not very smart?
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If you want to donate , please do so, if you do not want to donate, no one is forcing you to.. what i dun understand is people condemning that hes not a singaporean and does not deserve to get donatation.. is the kiasu kiasi mentality going way too far a little now..?
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Singaporeans are apolitical and naive, that's why get leeched from all sides.
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Originally posted by 4getmenot:
If you want to donate , please do so, if you do not want to donate, no one is forcing you to.. what i dun understand is people condemning that hes not a singaporean and does not deserve to get donatation.. is the kiasu kiasi mentality going way too far a little now..?
It all started out as a thought, as it is said "A donation is not an obligation". From the point someone singled him out as a Ah Tiong, many self-righteous people started to take it out of context and this further fueled by the local papers -
Originally posted by SnowFlag:
x 2. Why don't he go back to China for treatment?Because he may not be able to get out of China if he goes back in.
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Originally posted by jojobeach:
Then you are assuming the worst.. how valid is that ?
China is no longer the same old poor and dirty China you believe to be.
And their healthcare services are not as sub standard as you think.
In their country..as long as you have money.. you can live like a King.
And you are assuming he will have no Internet connection in China ? Trust me, they are not as backwards as you think.
If he can keep up with school work through the internet..he can keep up with schoolwork anywhere in the world.
The only problem he will face IF he goes back to China.. is that he will not be able to get any EXIT visa out of that country that easily due to his medical condition.
Please.. out of 1 billion.. don't tell me he cannot get even 1% to donate $1 to help him out ?
Since we don't know if he had already tried.. how do we know if he really don't have the money to keep himself alive ? Arn't we giving blindly ?
I'm well aware that they don't have shabby medical facilities in some cities, but we don't know which part of the country he comes from. Even if the regional paper publishes an appeal, we don't know how much that can garner. And if you'd read carefully, I said he CAN stay in touch online. I wasn't assuming the worst of everything, when neither the supporters or detractors know much (see following paragraph). Is our objection to their appeal based on "they choose to be treated here, so they should fork out their own money", or "they choose to be treated here, when the resources could be allocated to another Singaporean", or both? Or is it based on something else?
The e-mail that was circulated stated that his folks are 'a power plant worker and a housewife', and that his symptoms surfaced 3 months ago. Objectively speaking, it's a tad sensational and it answers too few of the questions that we might have about the background of his case. It doesn't answer the above questions, or why he can't fly back. I concede that much and it's fine by me if one criticises another for not being more discerning. My beef though, is with lumping him too quickly with the sorry examples that we meet, which is what has happened or has been portrayed to have happened.
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Originally posted by Kuali Baba:
I'm well aware that they don't have shabby medical facilities in some cities, but we don't know which part of the country he comes from. Even if the regional paper publishes an appeal, we don't know how much that can garner. And if you'd read carefully, I said he CAN stay in touch online. I wasn't assuming the worst of everything, when neither the supporters or detractors know much (see following paragraph). Is our objection to their appeal based on "they choose to be treated here, so they should fork out their own money", or "they choose to be treated here, when the resources could be allocated to another Singaporean", or both? Or is it based on something else?
The e-mail that was circulated stated that his folks are 'a power plant worker and a housewife', and that his symptoms surfaced 3 months ago. Objectively speaking, it's a tad sensational and it answers too few of the questions that we might have about the background of his case. It doesn't answer the above questions, or why he can't fly back. I concede that much and it's fine by me if one criticises another for not being more discerning. My beef though, is with lumping him too quickly with the sorry examples that we meet, which is what has happened or has been portrayed to have happened.
The email was designed to pander to the sympathy of readers. That is why we are only told what they want us to know.
There are other viable options.. but we were given only one scenario, the most expensive one. Why ? To get the most out of the situation perhaps ?
How much does it cost to get his treatment in China ? Being a China citizen, he will get subsidized rates unlike foreigners in his country. Will he need as much as $150K for treatment ? I doubt it.
All in all.. I suppose we are not very comfortable with the true intention behind the donation requests.. that is why most people does not react positively to his case.
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By the way, the donation drive took place in school. It wasn't as much a matter of asking Singaporeans but fellow students and staff for help.
If the e-mail hadn't been posted on HWZ the matter would not have been blown out of proportion, but it just showed up feelings of hostility that already exist.
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Originally posted by jojobeach:
The email was designed to pander to the sympathy of readers. That is why we are only told what they want us to know.
There are other viable options.. but we were given only one scenario, the most expensive one. Why ? To get the most out of the situation perhaps ?
How much does it cost to get his treatment in China ? Being a China citizen, he will get subsidized rates unlike foreigners in his country. Will he need as much as $150K for treatment ? I doubt it.
All in all.. I suppose we are not very comfortable with the true intention behind the donation requests.. that is why most people does not react positively to his case.
Any such message will be written in a manner to persuade us, but this one isn't detailed enough. I can't answer those questions, I can only guess that they'll be less, as I already have, so there must be some other reason for staying. If he wants to continue his studies here, the visa issues will be an important consideration, as you've mentioned.
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Originally posted by Kuali Baba:
By the way, the donation drive took place in school. It wasn't as much a matter of asking Singaporeans but fellow students and staff for help.
If the e-mail hadn't been posted on HWZ the matter would not have been blown out of proportion, but it just showed up feelings of hostility that already exist.
You can't fight reality.
Collateral damage happens.
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Originally posted by Kuali Baba:
Any such message will be written in a manner to persuade us. I can't answer those questions, I can only guess that they'll be less, as I already have, so there must be some other reason for staying. If he wants to continue his studies here, the visa issues will be an important consideration.
So is it fair to make fellow students and staff pay for his freedom ?
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Originally posted by jojobeach:
So is it fair to make fellow students and staff pay for his freedom ?
I wouldn't force everyone to donate. I object only to the wrong reasons for choosing not to donate.
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Originally posted by Kuali Baba:
I wouldn't force everyone to donate. I object only to the wrong reasons for choosing not to donate.
Will you also object to the wrong reason for asking a donation ?
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Originally posted by jojobeach:
Will you also object to the wrong reason for asking a donation ?
It depends. For instance, if it really is so that he can stay here and finish his studies, and I feel that that's not unreasonable, I wouldn't object. Personally I don't need a lot of convincing to donate a small amount of money out of goodwill.
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Originally posted by Kuali Baba:
It depends. For instance, if it really is so that he can stay here and finish his studies, and I feel that that's not unreasonable, I wouldn't object. Personally I don't need a lot of convincing to donate a small amount of money out of goodwill.
Well KB, not everybody feels the same way as you. ....perhaps when you start earning your own keeps.. or someday have a China national take over your rice bowl... will your little amount of goodwill require more convincing words before it comes out of your wallet.
Everyone.. wants to see their hard earned goodwill money go to worthy causes. If sustaining someone else's lifestyle is sufficient for you.. then I reckon you havn't seen anything worst yet.
Anyway... time to go home ... nice chatting wif ya.. have fun yo ?
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Originally posted by jojobeach:
Well KB, not everybody feels the same way as you. ....perhaps when you start earning your own keeps.. or someday have a China national take over your rice bowl... will your little amount of goodwill require more convincing words before it comes out of your wallet.
Everyone.. wants to see their hard earned goodwill money go to worthy causes. If sustaining someone else's lifestyle is sufficient for you.. then I reckon you havn't seen anything worst yet.
Anyway... time to go home ... nice chatting wif ya.. have fun yo ?
I hope neither happens to me.
And yes, I've seen worse.See you around.
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IMO, We can't possibly donate to everyone that is in need of cash..so we need to think which are the people that have no help to turn to & are really in need of this money to live on..mayb the foreign student can seek help in somewhere other than SG?
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I wont donate to him. Its my money its my choice.
Sometimes, we see too many such "Ah Tiong" crap situation to prey on the sympathy of others, till we get sick of it.
I maybe selfish, but thats the way the world is.
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Singapore's small population has it's fair share of needy citizens.
This is the responsibility of the govt. That's what the ministers are elected for. The country is rich, so they say. If the country, with its wealth, is managed by competent people, we should not see old people living off discarded items from garbage bins. The needy and the handicapped should be well taken care of. The unemployment problems need not exist.
The country's education system would not have produced people with uncompassionate mentality.
Let the sick student leave for China for treatment with the donations received. It's not neccessary that he be treated in Singapore. The costs are simply too exorbitant.
He can come back to finish his studies after he gets well.
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IMO, we need to look at whether the people involved deserved our help or not.
Look at the recent 2 cases:
1) Huang Na case.
I dun understand why Singaporeans need to donate to Huang Na's parents. It is not as if they cannot take care of themselves. In the end, they used the money to build a bloody house in China. They do not deserve our help. However, if it is Huang Na's parents got murdered and she is all alone in the world, I will definitely donate.
2) The man who committed sucide on MRT tracks.
In this case, his family(wife and two young sons) are unable to take care of themselves financially and deserved our help. In a report, the wife said " she will use the donation thrifty and will leave the main bulk as her two sons' education expense."
Of course, I am not adovcating commit sucide as an easy solution to financial/poverty woes.
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I won't but if others want then its their own business ,there are others in need of help more than him anyway. Besides there are lots of charity organisations out there that could make better use of your donation so why help only one person when u can help many more?
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Please understand and get into your mind that it was never the duty of the poodles to take care of any needy as it will leech off their million dollar salary. "NO FREE LUNCH !"
The reason why we have so many scholars in NTU cos they are being sponsored by the poodles using peasants money so that they can later "contribute" to the economy as the peasants have stopped making babies.
The reason why the people are so disgusted about such a method of fund raising is that it is VERY EFFECTIVE as the people are generally easily influenced and followed blndly after being fanned by the media.
The charity matters is further polluted by durians and monks that have severely crippled the trust of the people.
With the media getting into the act, the matter will get further complicated.
I guess it will benefit the donation more as it have achieved the publicity factor.
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I think its natural Singaporeans feel resentful towards the PRCs. This resentment is built by PRCs getting free scholarship and lodging when a Singaporean of similar capability is saddled with loans. The PRCs do not having to serve NS when local bred Singaporeans have to serve in the army. And if the PRCs have stayed backed and contributed to the country, maybe Singaporeans would not have been so resentful. Most of them just use Singapore as a stepping stone to other countries while a small fraction stay and become a Singapore Citizen. I bet the situation would have been very different if the student was a Malaysian.
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it just takes a spark to light a fire..
This will not be the last...100%
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heard about this topic only this afternoon. i checked to the blog set up for him,if any one can read chinese, here is the address:http://blog.sina.com.cn/xiaobingjiayou
i can see tt a lot of sporean blamed that his fellow national did not do any thing to him, but all bet on you guys, are u kidding me?and ppl asking why not go back to china, hmmm, it's the doctor's decision. or of course he can riskof taking the flight back to china. but then, it's a 18-yr-old young life
i totally agree with what my friend said, if this donation can be some thing like toto, whoeverdonates can have a chance to win something, i would believe that those suckers will flooded to the donation place