ST: "Polytechnic grads put squeeze on university places"
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Originally posted by Gedanken:
My God, you really are that stupid, aren't you? I've already said I get my jollies kicking seven colours of shit out of fools like you. Is that so difficult to understand?
See? I knew there's something wrong with you.
Get a shrink ok ? This is not an insult, but a request that you seek some help.
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Originally posted by Ed11790:
wow so many people applying for nus and ntu…........maybe i shouldnt apply for college in sg anymore…......
Hey, you may as well give it a go - you miss 100% of the shots you don't take. -
Originally posted by Ed11790:
wow so many people applying for nus and ntu…........maybe i shouldnt apply for college in sg anymore…......
if u r good enuf, why not? unless if you are sure you will not get much out of a uni edu, then work may not be a bad start.
but once u clock in a few years of work experience, u can always go back to school.
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Originally posted by jojobeach:
See? I knew there's something wrong with you.
Get a shrink ok ? This is not an insult, but a request that you seek some help.
Oh, I see.
So if, like you, I claim to be nice and civil, but I fling it out the window at the drop of a hat, there's nothing wrong with me?
You keep trying to portray yourself as "nice", but there's enough people on the forum who know that that's a lie, and the only one you're fooling is youself.
I suggest you get some help, and quick. This is dysfunctional behaviour.
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Originally posted by Gedanken:
Oh, I see.
So if, like you, I claim to be nice and civil, but I fling it out the window at the drop of a hat, there's nothing wrong with me?
You keep trying to portray yourself as "nice", but there's enough people on the forum who know that that's a lie, and the only one you're fooling is youself.
I suggest you get some help, and quick. This is dysfunctional behaviour.
If you are crazy, you're crazy.. what's there to argue about ?
Enough people as in .. mayyybeeee 2 ? Like.. say.. Ged and aunt Fymk ? That's impressive.
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i will try to apply for nus or ntu..............but is there chances for people outside of sg to get in.....im from u.s
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Originally posted by Ed11790:
i will try to apply for nus or ntu…...........but is there chances for people outside of sg to get in…..im from u.s
depends on which faculty you want to apply to.
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Originally posted by Ed11790:
i will try to apply for nus or ntu…...........but is there chances for people outside of sg to get in…..im from u.s
There's plenty of good Uni in US. Why choose SG ?
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u.s uni is too hard to get in and also expensive......................sg uni is not bad so i wanna give it a try............and eagle....i would want to try to get into engineering
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Engineering is quite easy to get in. You should definitely give it a try.
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my gpa now is like 80 out of hundred.........i dont know but i think its arounf like 3.0 out of 4?i hope not less..............so its not hard for me to get in?maybe i gots chance?
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Originally posted by jojobeach:
If you are crazy, you're crazy.. what's there to argue about ?
Enough people as in .. mayyybeeee 2 ? Like.. say.. Ged and aunt Fymk ? That's impressive.
It's painfully obvious how you're living in denial, but you're in a tight spot here - because of your denial, you're denying your problem.
As for more denial, well, go back through the 80-odd pages of your mud slinging fest and see for yourself if it's just fymk and myself you had a problem with. Hell you traumatised poor KB by first having a go at him and then pathetically asking him out for a date - his skin just about crawled right off him at that prospect.
The FACTS are there even if you're too neurotic to see the truth. Keep up the hypocrisy.
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Originally posted by Ed11790:
my gpa now is like 80 out of hundred…......i dont know but i think its arounf like 3.0 out of 4?i hope not less…...........so its not hard for me to get in?maybe i gots chance?
Doesn't hurt to try right? At least if you failed, you know you have tried.
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scrape A levels
all go poly
then some to uni some to work
Simple!
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ill try to ask my mom to apply for me to nus or ntu since she's in malaysia......if i get in then i move there.......if not then i stay in u.s
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Originally posted by Gedanken:
It's painfully obvious how you're living in denial, but you're in a tight spot here - because of your denial, you're denying your problem.
As for more denial, well, go back through the 80-odd pages of your mud slinging fest and see for yourself if it's just fymk and myself you had a problem with. Hell you traumatised poor KB by first having a go at him and then pathetically asking him out for a date - his skin just about crawled right off him at that prospect.
The FACTS are there even if you're too neurotic to
see the truth. Keep up the hypocrisy.
Tsk tsk Ged,
Your memory so short lived...what 80 odd page ? Please lah.. go back and read it yourself ok ?
Well, I really don't care for that aunt Fymk and I did tell her I don't like her.. what hypocrisy ?
As for the rest of your gang.. I'm ok with them.
Please ok ? You're not on dope are you? What's with conjuring up that date crap with KB ? I'm in Texas he's in SG.. date what ? In your dream perhaps.
Alamak,. I also remember now.. we're jesting at you..yet you take it that we are interested in you.. goosh.. now that's creepy.
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Originally posted by Ed11790:
ill try to ask my mom to apply for me to nus or ntu since she’s in malaysia…...if i get in then i move there…....if not then i stay in u.s
Oh I remember you now Ed...
Have you visited Sg and Asia region to check out the places yet ?
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Originally posted by Cool_boy88:
hi guys. im a JC student who had just received my grades. It aint that good. But thats not the point. Regarding this article, what i feel is that the question is not whether poly or jc students deserves the uni place more. The problem here is there are lack of places! Our country has such a large amount of reserves(money i mean). Why cant they just spend on building more universities so as to cater to 50% of the corhot. Besides, A lvl grads who only have an A lvl cert will be at a disadvantage if they are to be rejected a place in the local U.
Many people and the govt will simply counter this by saying " send ur kids overseas". But have they ever considered the poor families? Singapore has nothing but manpower. The govt should then equip the people with the skills required. And please take pity on rejected JC students. And by the way, most rejected JC students are ABB or BBB students and below. How the hell will most people get wad they want?
cRap.
my friend just send two of her kids here in brisbane at a cost of S$100k per head.
so start saving up!
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Originally posted by Cool_boy88:
hi guys. im a JC student who had just received my grades. It aint that good. But thats not the point. Regarding this article, what i feel is that the question is not whether poly or jc students deserves the uni place more. The problem here is there are lack of places! Our country has such a large amount of reserves(money i mean). Why cant they just spend on building more universities so as to cater to 50% of the corhot. Besides, A lvl grads who only have an A lvl cert will be at a disadvantage if they are to be rejected a place in the local U.
Many people and the govt will simply counter this by saying " send ur kids overseas". But have they ever considered the poor families? Singapore has nothing but manpower. The govt should then equip the people with the skills required. And please take pity on rejected JC students. And by the way, most rejected JC students are ABB or BBB students and below. How the hell will most people get wad they want?
cRap.
Students riot my friend. Best way to avoid it.
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Haha! I knew it when I saw the thread title that this is going to degenerate into a screaming/shouting/arguing thread. Keke
Anyway, my take on those who agreed and supported along the lines of "Poly go out can earn something, A levels can't so places should be given to A levels people."
I'm sure u know this as a general fact after your O levels, so why pick JC? Can I say some of you look down on Poly considering it as an inferior place to go to as compare to JC? How come now after your As when you're not able to get into Uni, u complain that poly people are squeezing u out?
A forumer even did some calculations about a poly grad earning more working rather than spending an extra 3 years studying Uni. Can I appeal to that forumer that his calculation is grossly inaccurate. I shall not go into the details, but let me put it across this way. Those going into uni are the top few percentages in Poly, and according to the ST article, accounts for about 25% of their corhort. Do you think they had not considered this before? Let's look at it another way. There are alot of diploma holders, people with several years of work experience, graduates from ITE taking Night/Part time degrees from the unis. What do you think is their reasoning for doing so, since according to the way you calculate, they should be earning more?
This Poly/JC squeeze issue will always be there and it will come up every year during the release of A level results. The issue is not even primarily on the number of places available for A level graduates in Uni, but is the number of places available for A level graduates in Uni for the course of their choice.
Well, the complaints we are seeing in SG from A level graduates not able to get into the course of their choice again underlines the Complaining and Blame-Pushing Nature of the younger generation Singaporeans.
Teacher scold u - complain to parents - parents come to school to make a big fuss. Little bit not happy with retail staff - complain to supervisor to make the staff loss their job. Little bit not happy with boss - complain and spread gossip about them. Taxi fare increase - complain government. Late for work - complain bus come late. It's everyone's fault but their own.
In case the complainers haven't realised, we live in a performance oriented society, be it in SG, in SEA or in any developing/developed countries. If you're not able to best it amount others, then, too bad.
Your parents are not able to help you. Neither are your grandparents nor your MPs.
Accepted that you didn't managed to achieve what you want. Recognise you're not as good. Move on and do better in your next stage of life.
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this thread has lost its purpose.
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Originally posted by jojobeach:
Tsk tsk Ged,
Your memory so short lived...what 80 odd page ? Please lah.. go back and read it yourself ok ?
Well, I really don't care for that aunt Fymk and I did tell her I don't like her.. what hypocrisy ?
As for the rest of your gang.. I'm ok with them.
Please ok ? You're not on dope are you? What's with conjuring up that date crap with KB ? I'm in Texas he's in SG.. date what ? In your dream perhaps.
Alamak,. I also remember now.. we're jesting at you..yet you take it that we are interested in you.. goosh.. now that's creepy.
Man, your denial's astounding. Never mind, the thread's there as testimony so you can lie all you want - there's no covering up your disgrace.
Anyway, it seems her majesty has spoken, and besides, your inanity is plain boring. Despite what FireIce recommends, though, please don't PM and me, and for God's sake, have some dignity and stop following me around like a lost puppy.
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Originally posted by Gedanken:
Man, your denial's astounding. Never mind, the thread's there as testimony so you can lie all you want - there's no covering up your disgrace.
Anyway, it seems her majesty has spoken, and besides, your inanity is plain boring. Despite what FireIce recommends, though, please don't PM and me, and for God's sake, have some dignity and stop following me around like a lost puppy.
Gawd sake Ged, there you go again.
Do you have something you're trying to compensate for ?
Stop being a delusional pervie ok ?
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Originally posted by airgrinder:
Anyway, my take on those who agreed and supported along the lines of "Poly go out can earn something, A levels can't so places should be given to A levels people."
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This Poly/JC squeeze issue will always be there and it will come up every year during the release of A level results. The issue is not even primarily on the number of places available for A level graduates in Uni, but is the number of places available for A level graduates in Uni for the course of their choice.
Well, the complaints we are seeing in SG from A level graduates not able to get into the course of their choice again underlines the Complaining and Blame-Pushing Nature of the younger generation Singaporeans.
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In case the complainers haven't realised, we live in a performance oriented society, be it in SG, in SEA or in any developing/developed countries. If you're not able to best it amount others, then, too bad.
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Accepted that you didn't managed to achieve what you want. Recognise you're not as good. Move on and do better in your next stage of life.
A fair call to some extent, airgrinder, although I'd question if we're looking at the right criteria here, and where the raison d'etre of university education fits into the picture.Just doing a quick recap of the proposed reasons why one group or other should be deprived of places at university, we have:
- someone needs to do the blue-collar work
- poly grads can go and earn money so they shouldn't go to university
- there's simply not enough space in universitiesAt best, these are peripheral to getting a university education.
When I was an undergrad, a hot-button topic was "education for sale". There were two aspect to this:
1) university places were going to those who could afford to pay full fees and;
2) university courses were being too fine-tuned to limited and specific industry requirements instead of providing students with an atmosphere in which they can explore, analyse and synthesise new ideas and conceptsNow speaking as someone who's making a comfortable living in a specific and narrow field, I cannot fairly say that I have not gained by said fine-tuning of university courses. However, as idealistic as it sounds, IMHO there's much more to being in university than getting ahead in the rat race. I spend my spare time with formal and informal multidisciplinary groups, and there's a certain enjoyment in stepping out of one's own field and learning a thing or two about other subjects like law, medicine, engineering and, dare I say it, literature. The generic analytical skills provided through a university education open the doors to much more than just jobs.
That being the case, should the opportunities for education be dictated by criteria such as quotas for blue-collar workers, whether or not someone should be working instead of studying or inadequate access to such education? Personally, I don't think so.
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What is there to rant about? Limited uni places go to the best candidates and the best jobs go to the most qualified workers. It's survival of the fittest...those who cannot keep up will be breakfast for those who do...