Police arrested10 people for holding a rally with no permit
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Chee.... well, sometimes you have to give it to the man. But I would like to see him do somethingnew, such as tell us exactly how he is going to solve our problems instead of just protesting.
Protesting is the easy part.
Solving real problems takes more guts.
Empty vessel makes most noise, right?
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I agree my friend, that is why I said in the other thread, I dont think it is really relevant or on-target for SDP to protest to government or parliament about rising prices.
From my understanding, Singapore practice free market economy. From what we read, there is a worldwide rising price of commodities, like oil price, food price, and this has affected many countries, including Singapore.
So, Im not sure Singapore government has the power to affect this global phenomenon, and it doesnt seem to result from some failed SG government policy which caused it, nor does it seem that the government can issue a policy which can fix it. Maybe SDP need to ask some opinion from some economists for their analysis and what is the remedy. From the part of the SG government, Im sure they have asked their economists and taken whatever steps it can take.
So....Im not sure SDP really has much of a reason to protest to anyone....maybe protest to the world markets....go stand at SGX, or a wholesale market, instead of parliament, but that doesnt make sense, does it ..?
But another issue here......police arresting people who waive placards...yes this is quite sad....to me the sad part is that Singapore could have been the best place in the world in terms of order and safety, but when we look at how this is achieved, we see that some things are also inserted inside by the maintainer or manager of this order and security, which really remove any expression by the rest of the people, who are without any intent for any disruption or violence whatsoever.
This makes people wonder whether this is really the right arrangement, and whether the manager is actually looking after his own interests by using the excuse of order and security, which is indeed well maintained.
Quite sad.
To me there is only 1 solution...
If really the majority of people dont mind, well then, just ammend the constitution. Put it there, people cannot hold demonstrations.
Hold a referendum if neccessary. Then put it there.
Then moral legitimacy is there.
So every time police need to arrest 10 people or 18 people with children, at least there is no problem.
Not like now, people with children waiving placards, expressing their opinions, in accordance with their right in the constitution, are arrested by the police, on the reason of maintaining order.
I just find it a little sad.
What u want..? One way or the other? Make a choice and stick with it. Do the people have the right or not..? Yes or no? Dont say yes, but practice it with a no. Yes or no?
If it is written as 'yes', then....there is a problem here because people then think they can do it, and then u have to come up with all sorts of roundabout excuses to prevent them from doing it, and that tarnish ur own reputation when people see that u cheat.
So I say, the only real solution, permanent solution with moral authority is...to hold a referendum, and ammend the constitution to ban demonstrations. This will carry a strong moral legitimacy and once and for all settle this uncomfortable situation.
Meat Pao.
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dun catch mas selamat, go catch harmless ppl.
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Originally posted by dumbdumb!:
dun catch mas selamat, go catch harmless ppl.
mas selamat is not a threat. Dr chee is.
a threat to the PAP.
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Originally posted by GPSg:
Chee.... well, sometimes you have to give it to the man. But I would like to see him do somethingnew, such as tell us exactly how he is going to solve our problems instead of just protesting.
Protesting is the easy part.
Solving real problems takes more guts.
Empty vessel makes most noise, right?
You are right! I fully agree with you.
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Good thing we have Dr Chee to show the world what kind of dishonorable despots that takes massive amounts of money from the people in hidden taxes and take massive amounts of public money for their own pockets, we have, running Singapore...
... if the despots are not so dishonorable, Dr Chee would still be a lecturer in the university and probably in parliament instead of protesting...
Mr J B Jeya, Dr Francis Seow, Mr Tang Lian Hong would also be in parliament...
...but Dr Chee is the only one with the guts to expose the deceit and treachery...
...and protesting is the only way left open for him to expose what dishonorable people we have running the country...
Confirmed by the US State department assesment:
U.S. Department of State Country Reports on Human Rights Practices - 2007 (Singapore)
March 11, 2008
Singapore is a parliamentary republic in which the People's Action Party (PAP), in power since 1959, overwhelmingly dominates politics. The population was approximately 4.6 million, with foreign workers accounting for nearly one-fifth of the total. Opposition parties exist, parliamentary elections take place at regular, constitutionally mandated intervals (most recently in May 2006), and the voting and vote-counting systems are fair and free from tampering; however, the PAP placed formidable obstacles in the path of political opponents. The PAP held 82 of 84 elected parliamentary seats and all ministerial positions. The civilian authorities generally maintained effective control of the security forces.
The government has broad powers to limit citizens' rights and to handicap political opposition, which it used. Caning is an allowable punishment for numerous offenses. The following human rights problems were reported: preventive detention, executive influence over the judiciary, infringement of citizens' privacy rights, restriction of speech and press freedom and the practice of self-censorship by journalists, restriction of freedom of assembly and association, limited restriction of freedom of religion, and some trafficking in persons.
Living in Singapore one can attest to the accuracy of the US State Department's assessment.
This begs the question whether we have honorable leaders in power when they stand accused of such low-down tactics to stay in power.
It begs questions whether the government uses power to further party interests instead of the majority of the citizen's long term and short term interests. It begs questions on accountability, transparency and nepotism.
It begs questions on whether the preferences of certain groups are placed over and above the preferences of the other groups.
When thinking people look at how dishonorable people are in power, it leaves a bad taste in the mouth.
Singaporeans are so lucky that there is Dr Chee Soon Juan willing to be a martyr and expose the dishonorable people in power, to the rest of the world. -
...when they tell you that what they did to Dr Chee is not politically motivated and trying to stop him from getting into parliament?
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...and how can you trust such people when they say that they are not stopping Dr Chee so that they can continue to tax Singaporeans heavily with hidden taxes and to take massive amounts of public money for themselves...
...dishonorable despots.
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Lucky my foot! If we have people like this self-proclaimed 'martyr' and U in charge of Singapore we will be like democratic Philippines surving on the miserable income remitted back home by those poor maids and cheap labourers while their political leaders indulge in the luxuries .... the fruits of their corruption. How many years since 'people's power' removed the Marco's regime? How has the country and it's people lives improved since?
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Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:
This is truely a disgraceful and shameless act by the police.
I hope PAP regime can wake up their fucking idea.
If they continue this type of behaviour, more and more people will despise them.
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For a person who has written a book against gambling and on this forum declared many times the sins of gambling u are certainly a bloody damn hypocrite! Now u want Singaporeans to stake their entire secure future on desperate 'renegrades' like your chums and yourself ..... u think we are crazy or something!
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Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:
Compare and contrast, Singapore vs Penang:
Protest against new government
GEORGE TOWN: A group of people gathered around the Komtar building here yesterday to protest against the DAP-PKR coalition government.
The crowd demanded that the state government leave the New Economic Policy (NEP) alone and also called on Chief Minister Lim Guan Eng to ensure that the Malays would not be marginalised under the new state administration.
They said he should not turn Penang into another Singapore.
Police, including light strike force personnel, were on standby as the crowd started to gather in Jalan Magazine after Friday prayers about 2.15pm.
They carried banners decrying attempts to abolish the NEP and calling for support for Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi's leadership.North East district police chief assistant commissioner Azam Abdul Hamid later ordered the crowd to disperse after informing them that police had not issued any permit for the gathering.
Also present were state Umno leaders including former deputy chief minister Datuk Seri Abdul Rashid Abdullah, Umno secretary Datuk Azhar Ibrahim and Bukit Mertajam division chief Datuk Musa Sheikh Fadzir.
The crowd dispersed peacefully after shouting slogans for about 45 minutes. Police did not arrest anyone.
Azhar said that the gathering was organised as the Malays wanted to vent their anger against the state government's stand on the NEP.
Lim said the state government did not have any problems with the gathering.
"It is all part of freedom of speech. However, I am surprised that they did not give me any memorandum.
"This is the first time a demonstration has been held but those who organised it did not have any memorandum to be submitted," he said.
Lim said the newly-formed state government was willing to listen to what the people had to say, including those from Umno.http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/Saturday/National/2187381/Article/index_html
i think it is rather silly of you to compare sdp's rally with the penang protest. the penang protest was organised by umno, the main party of the ruling coalition, of course there will be no arrest!
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What do you guys know about the efforts of the Police and its officers to catch that 'Mastard' ?
Lets just say my unit had spent >70hrs being deployed on the ground in the last week.
PAP and its crap policies / ministers SHOULD NOT be used to diminish the efforts of our ground Officers.
Get it into your heads.
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Originally posted by GPSg:
Chee.... well, sometimes you have to give it to the man. But I would like to see him do somethingnew, such as tell us exactly how he is going to solve our problems instead of just protesting.
Protesting is the easy part.
Solving real problems takes more guts.
Empty vessel makes most noise, right?
First step, give him your full support. Without the people's mandate, he has no power to change things.
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so let me get this straight
you guys are outraged that the police stepped in to stop someone from breaking the law.
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Originally posted by deathbait:
so let me get this straight
you guys are outraged that the police stepped in to stop someone from breaking the law.
The police were doing their job of enforcing the law, we can't fault them. Chee Soon Juan shouldn't feel that he is above the law and continue to break them. However, at the crux of the issue is whether or not the law is just.
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Is the oppsition more effective fighting from inside or outside the cell?
CSJ choose inside!!
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See lar... Try and escape not paying the fee! Nothing is free in Singapore! Want to have gathering must pay. $$$
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Originally posted by kramnave:
The police were doing their job of enforcing the law, we can't fault them. Chee Soon Juan shouldn't feel that he is above the law and continue to break them. However, at the crux of the issue is whether or not the law is just.
if the law is ineffective, you attempt to change the law
Blaming the police for doing their job is just silly.
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I like the question posed by this Reuters reporter, "is the holding of a placard against the law in Singapore".
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Everyone knows it is simply to keep dishonorable people in power....
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if the despots change the constituition and pass a law and say a dying old man should be made emperor for life and his children succeed him and all free and fair elections are cancelled henceforth, then people should not be allowed to protest and condemned the actions because it is the law????
There are higher laws and that is the law enshrined in the United Nations Charter.
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and there are basic rights that human beings cling on to... those that are willing to forgo those basic human rights, should join the animal kingdom...
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It is simply to keep dishonorable people from power ...... people like the self-proclaimed 'leading Singapore democracy activist' and and his gang and the few other former lawyers who are now refugees in foreign land; and u can include your hypocritical self ..... these people-inabsentia's mouth-piece.
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mm lee ever said chee is not stupid.lee knew that chee is a good orator like anwar, so lee thought he should destroy chee by all means, so chee looked like an idiot because the media tarnished him be it ST or Zhao Bao, so the people were swindled. If chee has a debate with LHL, you know who will lose. Anyway chee is not a threat anymore because he has been backcrupted, he wont stand for elections any more. The real threat is still mas selamat. He will take revenge if he escapes to indonesia
... and how can you trust people that tell you they need to raise GST by 2% because they need the money and then announce that they have a surplus of 6 billion?