Singapore Police disrupts a peaceful protest
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Originally posted by Bloop...:
you really are retarded. that clause was added in.Anyone read Animal Farm? Remember that wall of rules that were conveniently amended to constantly benefit the ruling class at the expense of all the other animals?
There were always the few stupid animals that would look at the wall and go, "yes, that's the law. it's written there", regardless of how crudely the law was amended using paint to overwrite the original laws?
Maybe he isn't retarded.
He could have been paid by the P4P to brainwash folks in sgForums.
If he isn't paid by the regime, then he is retarded.
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Originally posted by Bloop...:
Anyone read Animal Farm? Remember that wall of rules that were conveniently amended to constantly benefit the ruling class at the expense of all the other animals?
There were always the few stupid animals that would look at the wall and go, "yes, that's the law. it's written there", regardless of how crudely the law was amended using paint to overwrite the original laws?
i strongly agree with your statement.
what is legal may not be moral. and vice versa.
the restriction on the public from speaking freely is morally corrupted, no matter how much the argument is based on laws.
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Originally posted by maurizio13:
Maybe he isn't retarded.
He could have been paid by the P4P to brainwash folks in sgForums.
If he isn't paid by the regime, then he is retarded.
lol.
this forum here is primarily for people to vent out what is forbidden in the public place, and this fella keep yapping and praising the current establishment to high heavens. Did i see quote from the scripture to defend the state of speech oppression??? heavens forbid!
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if the opposition is any good, i dun see why they should be having a protest.. the protest did nothing more than showing people how the opposition is a joke..
u people talk of how screwed up the pap is, and i agree with you, but when it came down times where real action is needed, what are ur leaders doing? getting thrown into jail?
seriously, i mean, i loathe the prices going up, i loathe stupid laws, but u do stupid things like standing there with a few lame placards and u expect the PAP to go "hey yah they are right, we should lower the prices."?
you know why the opposition is still not going strong? is not becoz the pap redraw their GRC and group here group there.. its because u guys are the exact same thing that u are protesting against.. u promise so much, yet u deliver so little.. u make so much noise, but when ppl actually looked at u, they find that u are an empty vessel..
and what about the stupid views that u opposition supporters have towards ppl who disagree with u? retarded, brainwashed by propaganda, stupid.. i mean come on, have u degraded to george w. bush no.2? "either you're with us, or you're against us"? if ur points are so valid, if ur actions are so morally justified, i'm not even going to be political, just look at how conveniently u all avoided the all time question of "why are children being involved in YOUR lame protests?', there should be no arguments against you at all.. u are so blinded by ur own eagerness to kaobei the pap govt that u have failed to check back on how fucked up u urselves have become..
and guess what, there are going to be opposition supporters who are going to quote me and start blabbering 'hail the opposition'.. if u guys say singapore is becoming under lee regime, i will say guess what, your leaders got owned by the lee regime. Big time.
Quote of the Day: You're breaking my fingers!
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Originally posted by fishbuff:
i strongly agree with your statement.
what is legal may not be moral. and vice versa.
the restriction on the public from speaking freely is morally corrupted, no matter how much the argument is based on laws.
Indeed..if every law is perceived to be morally right.. then North Korea must really be a paradise on the globe and Kim Jong IL should be awarded a Nobel Prize for keeping his citizens in order..hell PAP should even invite him and learn a thing or 2 from him...i heard Kim likes sushi & sashimis...surely, its a small price to pay..? xD
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let me hijack and sidetrack this thread for just a moment ....
and ask you to remember another group of protesters who got a much harsher response from "their" goverment (well, not really theirs, they didn't have much of a choice in that matter too) ....
http://www.freetibet.org/press/kirtiphotos.html
warning: graphic images ..
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Originally posted by deathbait:
ah ha!
so by your logic, applying for permission to rob the bank is an exercise in futility. That makes it right for me to rob a bank.
Your analogy is inadequate. You should add in the information of whether CASE had robbed the bank before with granted permission.
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Opposite of Good is Evil, Law is Lawless, Public Interest is Private Agenda...
Government is elected to do good for the people not practise evil, lawless taking of sucking of monies from people or practise its own hidden agendas and profiteering?
This has been the universal law for ages. If a government has power, it will use the power given or obtained to further the interest of the people to do good and not evil to serve public and not its own private agenda.
What is the opposite of Peaceful? If Police stops someone from holding Peaceful Protest is it not asking the protestors to use violence to overthrow the government for apart from such peaceful protests what else can the protesters do if not able to express their problems to the government causing the problems.
All over the world it is the same. The monks cannot have peaceful protest so they will turn violent like others in Myanmar. The Malaysian Indians cannot have peaceful protests so they will eventually throw bottles or stones at the police.
If CSJ cannot hold peaceful protests, eventually people around him may just forget about such protests and do something unwise. Who will be the cause of such lawlessness at the end?
Do our million-dollar world's best ministers have such basic knowledge or talent to see such cause and effect consequences in running the government?
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Originally posted by purpledragon84:
if the opposition is any good, i dun see why they should be having a protest.. the protest did nothing more than showing people how the opposition is a joke..
u people talk of how screwed up the pap is, and i agree with you, but when it came down times where real action is needed, what are ur leaders doing? getting thrown into jail?
seriously, i mean, i loathe the prices going up, i loathe stupid laws, but u do stupid things like standing there with a few lame placards and u expect the PAP to go "hey yah they are right, we should lower the prices."?
you know why the opposition is still not going strong? is not becoz the pap redraw their GRC and group here group there.. its because u guys are the exact same thing that u are protesting against.. u promise so much, yet u deliver so little.. u make so much noise, but when ppl actually looked at u, they find that u are an empty vessel..
and what about the stupid views that u opposition supporters have towards ppl who disagree with u? retarded, brainwashed by propaganda, stupid.. i mean come on, have u degraded to george w. bush no.2? "either you're with us, or you're against us"? if ur points are so valid, if ur actions are so morally justified, i'm not even going to be political, just look at how conveniently u all avoided the all time question of "why are children being involved in YOUR lame protests?', there should be no arguments against you at all.. u are so blinded by ur own eagerness to kaobei the pap govt that u have failed to check back on how fucked up u urselves have become..
and guess what, there are going to be opposition supporters who are going to quote me and start blabbering 'hail the opposition'.. if u guys say singapore is becoming under lee regime, i will say guess what, your leaders got owned by the lee regime. Big time.
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Very well said!
You've effectively summarised what I've been wanting to say to these people.Preaching democracy and freedom of speech whole day long, yet cannot even accept opposing viewpoints even in a small online forum.
Imagine having to chose between the PAP and the SDP...I'm glad there's at least other opposition parties around :D
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Originally posted by 4getmenot:
Indeed..if every law is perceived to be morally right.. then North Korea must really be a paradise on the globe and Kim Jong IL should be awarded a Nobel Prize for keeping his citizens in order..hell PAP should even invite him and learn a thing or 2 from him...i heard Kim likes sushi & sashimis...surely, its a small price to pay..? xD
Well, I hate to say this but I agree with you. I remember this say (forgot by who):What ever Hitler did was absolutely legal.
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Originally posted by purpledragon84:
if the opposition is any good, i dun see why they should be having a protest.. the protest did nothing more than showing people how the opposition is a joke..
u people talk of how screwed up the pap is, and i agree with you, but when it came down times where real action is needed, what are ur leaders doing? getting thrown into jail?
seriously, i mean, i loathe the prices going up, i loathe stupid laws, but u do stupid things like standing there with a few lame placards and u expect the PAP to go "hey yah they are right, we should lower the prices."?
you know why the opposition is still not going strong? is not becoz the pap redraw their GRC and group here group there.. its because u guys are the exact same thing that u are protesting against.. u promise so much, yet u deliver so little.. u make so much noise, but when ppl actually looked at u, they find that u are an empty vessel..
and what about the stupid views that u opposition supporters have towards ppl who disagree with u? retarded, brainwashed by propaganda, stupid.. i mean come on, have u degraded to george w. bush no.2? "either you're with us, or you're against us"? if ur points are so valid, if ur actions are so morally justified, i'm not even going to be political, just look at how conveniently u all avoided the all time question of "why are children being involved in YOUR lame protests?', there should be no arguments against you at all.. u are so blinded by ur own eagerness to kaobei the pap govt that u have failed to check back on how fucked up u urselves have become..
and guess what, there are going to be opposition supporters who are going to quote me and start blabbering 'hail the opposition'.. if u guys say singapore is becoming under lee regime, i will say guess what, your leaders got owned by the lee regime. Big time.
Quote of the Day: You're breaking my fingers!
putting aside whether they are a bunch of lollies or smart chaps with a mission, it is clear that sdp wanted to attract as much soundbites as possible, hopefully with foreign media. i think protest is the best way to get those attention. in fact, the skirmishes they had with the police is probably designed by them to show the `outsiders' how they are treated. the fact that it got posted in you tube helped them attained that awareness of what they set out to do.
realistically speaking, there is no other avenue where sdp or csj could be heard, in singapore.
i mean, if you want to be the centre of attention in orchard road, a clown suit or birthday suit will certainly capture the imagination of the crowd there. so, i don't think csj is dumb in that respect.
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Originally posted by redDUST:
the law is only useful if it is applied impartially.this whole argument would be moot if ppl here actually understood what that simple sentence means.
The law's the law. You want to change it, you gotta do something about it. Breaking the law is not the answer.
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Breaking the law is not the answer.
What Chee Soon Juan is doing against unjust and oppressive laws:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonviolent_resistance
This is different from Tibetan violent rioting.
Some people like Fatum seem to confuse the two types of action.
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Hi Deathbait,
If a country is run on two sets of law one for the power that be and another for the people like CSJ what future has it got?
So when you insisted people must obey the law that is fine from one perspective that is government will also uphold the law.
If the government gives the impression that it does not wish to be subjected to the same law people are being used against, then there is no point painting a picture of lawfulness or rule of law. I hope I do not have to go into details like withholding cyclethon permit from opposition party for anniversary celebration while granting same for its own party amounts to an abuse of power. I suppose I do not have to go into why squandering of our citizens' monies held on trust in the surplus by the government on Shin Corp or some international bank of which minister was an advisor and use of people trust monies to rescue such bank from sub-prime crisis is unlawful under the Company Act or the Corruption Act.
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Singapore: Asia’s gilded cage
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Although I think they are brave,why do Dr Chee like to demostrate so much?Why wouldn't they sell their party paper instead -- more ppl can know their views and can earn money somemore!
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Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:
Breaking the law is not the answer.
What Chee Soon Juan is doing against unjust and oppressive laws:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonviolent_resistance
This is different from Tibetan violent rioting.
Some people like Fatum seem to confuse the two types of action.
Breaking the law is not the answer ...
this one you say one har .... there is a law in Singapore against "illegal assembly without a permit" ... so it's alright then to break the law in Singapore ? ... if you think it's alright to oppose an unjust law and a repressive regime in Singapore, how come not in Tibet ? not in China ? ... how come you seems to be so pro a known repressive regime there ? ...
I'm quoting from the very source you've cut and pasted from right now ...
In January this year, AFP reported that Chinese police arrested a monk in Tibet for having a portrait of the Dalai Lama. Phuntsok Tsering, the chant master of Magar Dhargyeling Monastery, was arrested in December "on the charge of possessing a portrait of the Dalai Lama.
In August 2003, five monks and an unidentified lay artist received sentences of 1 to 12 years' imprisonment for alleged separatist activities, including painting a Tibetan national flag, possessing pictures of the Dalai Lama, and distributing materials calling for Tibetan independence."
"Core requirements of "patriotic education," such as the renunciation of the Dalai Lama and the acceptance of Tibet as a part of China, continued to engender resentment on the part of Tibetan Buddhists. Dozens of monks and nuns continued to serve prison terms for their resistance to "patriotic education."
"In the months following an August 2003 incident in which unknown individuals hung the banned Tibetan national flag from a radio tower, private displays o Dalai Lama pictures were confiscated in urban areas of two Sichuan counties. The Government also continued to ban pictures of Gendun Choekyi Nyima, the boy recognized by the Dalai Lama as the Panchen Lama.”http://www.singaporedemocrat.org/yourletters1.html
http://www.singaporedemocrat.org/articleemperornoclothes.html
and it's not just about tibet either .... read on about the persecution of falungong followers in the same pages, who are certainly peaceful and non-violent ... what do you have to say about their persecution then ?. ...
I think it's a serious over-reaction from the SPF's part to break up the assembly .... and I think there is something even worse going on in china too .... looks like they are getting it a lot worse than what are are gettiing here ... how come you choose to be blind to all this, how come you're practising double standards ? ....
pray tell ... how come you're practising selective interpretation ? .... are you just paying lip service ? ...
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Originally posted by googoomuck:
CSJ is a thorn in PAP's side. He just won't go into exile.
Will PAP attempt to label CSJ as insane and lock him up?
As far as PAP is concerned, CSJ is a threat.
Yes or no?
No.as far as it is concern, he's a clown
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At the very least, CSJ isn't an over paid monkey.
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Originally posted by Uncle Ver SG:
At the very least, CSJ isn't an over paid monkey.
well, he's a freelance monkey right now, and he cant wait to be overpaid.hence all the protests.
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Yeah at least we can agree that PAP ministers are overpaid monkeys.
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Originally posted by googoomuck:
CSJ is a thorn in PAP's side. He just won't go into exile.
Will PAP attempt to label CSJ as insane and lock him up?
As far as PAP is concerned, CSJ is a threat.
Yes or no?
CSJ is a credit to the government. His continued existence attest to this.
CSJ allows the government to showcase to the world the right way to handle dissidents.
Look at how China handle the dissidents in Tibet. Look at how Malaysia handles dissidents, and see the results. The world wants to learn this from Singapore, besides SEZs.
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"Look at how Malaysia handles dissidents, and see the results."
Yeah ELECTED INTO PARLIAMENT!!!!!! Thank you PAP for not poisoning him or some other heinous act. We should thank robbers for not committing murder as well.
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Originally posted by Uncle Ver SG:
Yeah at least we can agree that PAP ministers are overpaid monkeys.
on second thots, maybe i should protest too.. i want to be an overpaid monkey..
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Sorry your bosses wont let you. After all they cant let their ka kia step over them right?