too bad tibet is sandwiched between india and china.
tibet is now a buffer zone to prevent indian troops from intruding chinese territories.
oh ? ... so reporting about food safety scares and what not is not hidden political agendas ? .... I thought it's that's the gist of what you were saying just before ... keblakan pusing so fast liao ?
I think you misunderstood the intent.
You must have a certain understanding of global politcs to see the agenda, to see the bias, to catch the timing of political moves, to see the larger picture.
Singapore mainstream media does not cover global politics, so if your source is local propaganda media, you will not know.
please do not bump this thread anymore, TS has already left to scour the internet to copy and paste to start new 'intellectual' threads...
Originally posted by 4getmenot:please do not bump this thread anymore, TS has already left to scour the internet to copy and paste to start new 'intellectual' threads...
TS lionnoisy is not interested to make noise here anymore.
Be it Tibet or Taiwan, why not just let their people decide if they want to be part of China or choose to be independent? Let them vote and decide for themselve.
Originally posted by Fatum:once upon a time, the US belonged to the british ... so by your reasoning ... it's alright for the brits to claim back what "belonged" to another ?. .... it is the alienable right of people every where to be free and independant ... though it has been 60 years, I think it's abundantly clear, that the tibetans are unhappy and unsatisfied with chinese rule ...
I see you're another cultural chauvinist .... wat western moral high ground ? .... invasion by force another country, another independant political entitiy is wrong, pure and simple ... or you think otherwise ? ....
did you read my argument in another thread? ... when you bring up examples of "western hypocrisy"... isn't it like a kid being caught cheating in a kindergarden spelling test .... screaming "teacher teacher , he cheated also, her too, how come you never catch them ! ... not fair ! "... right ? ... so in your books, it's alright to invade by force, cos
other "western" countries did it too ? ....I find it comical and stupid when people come and say double standards are being applied when certain issues come up, be it fake and dodgy goods or tibet .... it reminds me of those politicians being caught farking another woman on tape ... screaming conspiracy theories ... they completely miss the point ... shouldn't they be blaming themselves for being peckerheads in the first place ? ... instead of blaming others for being exposed ? .... don't point fingers and say that everyone else is farking around when you get caught ... just don't give other people any excuses ! .. don't keep skeletons in your closets ! ....
mind you SGdiehard .... many in malaysia still believe Singapore to be part of that country ... what do you say when one day they want to come and reclaim back what is "theirs" ? ....
Hey, the Brits colonies never belong to the brits. America never belong to the brits, it belongs to the native American. Read my post carefully. Tibet is part of China even before 1751, way before the Europeans, including the British, ended the massacre of the native American to take the land for their own. The kindergarten argument is for kids, what I am saying is that if you have nothing to say about the Europeans who invaded the American by force, and massacred the people to claim their land because it happened in 1800, why should you cry foul over the annexation of Tibet as part of China in 1750? If you do then why never ask the whites to leave America? In fact, there was no record of war, nor blood shed during the annexation of Tibet as part of China. What logic have you for screaming and name calling? Isn’t it the alienable right of the native American to be free and independent?
What happen if the ROC in Taiwan started instigating the people in Fujian province and the HK people began supporting the people in the Guangdong province to become independent, do you think the people in Fujian and Guangdong then have the alienable rights to be free? Sure wish if the politicians are as simple as you are, but even the simple Chinese in any small village knows their history and they will not want any intention to break the country apart. What cultural chauvinist? Have the Tibetan culture been diluted by starbuck, coffee bean or the Chinese culture?
Hehehe, only simple minded people like would worry about the Malaysian who wanted to take over Singapore. Well, they are trying with Petra Blanca, lets wait for the result. I will be happy if Malaysia really want to take back Singapore, then we don’t need to fight we will have a united Singapore with Malaysia as part of our territory. If I were you I would be afraid that China would want to claim that Singapore belongs to them because of the majority Chinese population. Hehehe….
Originally posted by Blueray:Ceecookie,
Your article is from New York Times. I really don't know how credible it is bcos for so many years there have been too many lies coming from Western world about China. Everybody should read these:
http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/eo20050530gc.html
http://in.rediff.com/news/2002/oct/24chin.htm
http://www.asiamedia.ucla.edu/article.asp?parentid=14621
The above links were written by a former Aussie diplomat, Gregory Clark who specialises in China affairs.
Nowadays I don't read New York Times anymore because it is helping the US government cover up on actual death figures in Iraq. Read here:
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2006/oct2006/kell-o16.shtml
Most of American media have labelled the killings in Darfur as genocide. The Iraq war has already taken 3 times as many lives as the Darfur crisis but yet NY times is silent on the issue.
IMO, one of the reasons why American/western media is so keen on the Darfur issue is that they want to distract the world's attention away from Iraq.
How credible is NY Times anyway?
Then which foreign newspaper do u recommend?Im getting rather sick of reading The Straits Time and am looking into subscribing digital version of one international newspaper.
NY Times' rate is quite cheap at US$39($53) a year so im considering that,but then u said its not very credible.International Herald Tribune is costly at US$300 a year!!
Why not read online sites for free?
I can give you dozens of links.
You finally realised how narrow, biased, self-serving our propaganda media is.
My propaganda work here has not been in vain.
Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:oh ? ... so reporting about food safety scares and what not is not hidden political agendas ? .... I thought it's that's the gist of what you were saying just before ... keblakan pusing so fast liao ?
I think you misunderstood the intent.
You must have a certain understanding of global politcs to see the agenda, to see the bias, to catch the timing of political moves, to see the larger picture.
Singapore mainstream media does not cover global politics, so if your source is local propaganda media, you will not know.
I think YOU missed the point ....
my point it that, you can construct everything as anti-chinese propaganda, including the food scares and what not, but consumers will make the decisions for themselves .... after a few ah peks got laid up in hospital from quack sex pills, or after some two bit actress had to have a liver transplant ... of some popular brand of luncheon meat and stewed pork got quietly banned from the shelves because of banned hormones ..... all this sounds hollow, you get it ? ... propaganda is just that ... just because you read from a different news source doesn't make it any more truthful .... because in this case, the consumers can see and decide for themselves ....
constructing all these as biased propaganda and hidden plots just makes you sound like a spiteful, childish kid unhappy about being caught doing something bad, don't you understand ? .... you probably don't ... because you actually believe it when they call it all a "red-haired barbarian plot" don't you ? ....
Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:Why not read online sites for free?
I can give you dozens of links.
You finally realised how narrow, biased, self-serving our propaganda media is.
My propaganda work here has not been in vain.
cute
practically all media are forms of propaganda. When you pick a few to read from, all you're picking is which form of bias you agree with more.
It's important to read the local paper alongside with international ones, or you fall into the same trap of reading from a biased viewpoint.
Originally posted by sgdiehard:Hey, the Brits colonies never belong to the brits. America never belong to the brits, it belongs to the native American. Read my post carefully. Tibet is part of China even before 1751, way before the Europeans, including the British, ended the massacre of the native American to take the land for their own. The kindergarten argument is for kids, what I am saying is that if you have nothing to say about the Europeans who invaded the American by force, and massacred the people to claim their land because it happened in 1800, why should you cry foul over the annexation of Tibet as part of China in 1750? If you do then why never ask the whites to leave America? In fact, there was no record of war, nor blood shed during the annexation of Tibet as part of China. What logic have you for screaming and name calling? Isn’t it the alienable right of the native American to be free and independent?
What happen if the ROC in Taiwan started instigating the people in Fujian province and the HK people began supporting the people in the Guangdong province to become independent, do you think the people in Fujian and Guangdong then have the alienable rights to be free? Sure wish if the politicians are as simple as you are, but even the simple Chinese in any small village knows their history and they will not want any intention to break the country apart. What cultural chauvinist? Have the Tibetan culture been diluted by starbuck, coffee bean or the Chinese culture?
Hehehe, only simple minded people like would worry about the Malaysian who wanted to take over Singapore. Well, they are trying with Petra Blanca, lets wait for the result. I will be happy if Malaysia really want to take back Singapore, then we don’t need to fight we will have a united Singapore with Malaysia as part of our territory. If I were you I would be afraid that China would want to claim that Singapore belongs to them because of the majority Chinese population. Hehehe….
you still don't get it do you ..... okie, since you don't like being compared to a kindergarden school kid, let's try you for a politician who got caught farking with another woman on camera, like that so many chaps up north ... you'll blame others for plots and biased reporting, or should you instead be blaming yourself for flashing your pecker everywhere ? ...
what i'm saying is that just because someone did it in the past, it doesn't and shouldn't mean it's right to do it now ... and scream "hey, they did it before, so why should i ? ".... when you get caught for murder, do you say, hey ! ... why catch only me ? ... others have killed before before and got away with it ? ... "
instead of learning from the mistakes and atrocities of others .... you're trying to justify atrocities being committed TODAY, right now ... from the atrocities others in the past ? .... I think you failed your morals and ethics in primary school .... "hao de bu xue xue huai de".....
Originally posted by deathbait:cute
practically all media are forms of propaganda. When you pick a few to read from, all you're picking is which form of bias you agree with more.
It's important to read the local paper alongside with international ones, or you fall into the same trap of reading from a biased viewpoint.
of course .... but if you start believing everything you read from another source just becuase you think one particular source is crap, you're not much different, or better ... especially when you read without any moral benchmarks on your own part ....
so bro ... I'm still waiting for your moral pronouncement ... " is it right ? ... or wrong .. for one country to subjugate another by force ? " ....
Sigh
Fact remains that Tibet has been part of China for a long time. The time to act righteous and stage rebellions is long past.
Trust me, if people in Yishun started behaving like that all the time and lashed out at authority, I would be the first to also recommend stricter measures on them.
Originally posted by Fatum:of course .... but if you start believing everything you read from another source just becuase you think one particular source is crap, you're not much different, or better ... especially when you read without any moral benchmarks on your own part ....
so bro ... I'm still waiting for your moral pronouncement ... " is it right ? ... or wrong .. for one country to subjugate another by force ? " ....
As I have said, there's no right or wrong here. For the invading country, it's always right. For the invaded, it's always wrong. Countries have been absorbed through the ages. It's even happening now. It will happen again in future. What are countries anyway, but lines drawn in the sand?
Originally posted by deathbait:
As I have said, there's no right or wrong here. For the invading country, it's always right. For the invaded, it's always wrong. Countries have been absorbed through the ages. It's even happening now. It will happen again in future. What are countries anyway, but lines drawn in the sand?
that's not what you've been saying, or why we've been having this argument ... you're been trying to justify the killings of recent weeks by saying that tibet is legally part of china because china is now the occupying force, and has been for the last 6 decade .....
don't you see this whole point is all about the morals and ethics of the subjugation of one country by another by force ? .... don't try to fob it off by simply saying that it has always happened in history, or that it has already happened .... i'm still interested in your moral pronouncement ..... so Singapore is but a line drawn in the sand for you ? ... that you'll happily suck it up and bend over for whoever takes over Singapore, if it comes to that ? .... shall I say that's actually very practical and chinese of you ? ... but nevermind about singapore ... I don't suppose that's where you're from ? ...
Tibet is a part of China since 13century~~~~~~~~~don believe western media!