Riot in Tibet: The true face of Western media
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Watch this and see what the Fair and Balanced Western media is about:
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I actually came across the same video not long ago, the link is here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSQnK5FcKas
I think this link will be faster than the HK one
Sometimes one has to admit how funny the westerner can be, In my view, the actual Tibetans live or death is not the real concern for them, but the value for they to explore such tragedies to blackwash China has made them so exciting about what’s happening.
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Originally posted by Sg2008:
I actually came across the same video not long ago, the link is here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSQnK5FcKas
I think this link will be faster than the HK one
Sometimes one has to admit how funny the westerner can be, In my view, the actual Tibetans live or death is not the real concern for them, but the value for they to explore such tragedies to blackwash China has made them so exciting about what’s happening.
Yup, exactly. I could imagine those attention whoring Western journalists having an orgasm when they heard about the Tibet riot. These hypocritical liars!
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How to get reliable, fair and unbiased news when journalists and even tourists are banned from entering the region? Just like what happened during the recent Myanmar uprising.
The communists even imposed strict internet controls. The PRC are internet savvy.
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Ya, if you have nothing to hide than there is no need to black out - right??
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To get a fair judgement, we cannot rely on western media because they are a free media.
There is a difference between free speech and reporting stuff without any biased views.
Hence people need to look at both side media before making a judgement.
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Originally posted by googoomuck:
How to get reliable, fair and unbiased news when journalists and even tourists are banned from entering the region? Just like what happened during the recent Myanmar uprising.
The communists even imposed strict internet controls. The PRC are internet savvy.
But strange I still can see the tibet riot news in the china websites.
China government of course advise foreigner not to enter Tibet because of the riots, there are many chinese civillians who get attacked simply because they appear on the street. -
Originally posted by ray245:
To get a fair judgement, we cannot rely on western media because they are a free media.
There is a difference between free speech and reporting stuff without any biased views.
Hence people need to look at both side media before making a judgement.
To be fair, not all western media are biased. But as far as I know, those from US, UK are definitely biased against China. When UK is ruling HK, the media also never urging British colony to give democracy to the chinese there. But after HK is returned, all the funny news suddendly pop up.
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Gentlemen ... if you're wondering why the link on youtube.hk is slow ..... or some of the links on youtube.com is unaccessible from your place in china .....
and why your favourite youtube videos cannot be found, or can't even be accessed from the internet in china, especially the certain sensitive contents on youtube.com, ..... don't be alarmed ..... it's I presume, only a temperory ban by the chinese goverment ....
no worries ... hopefully, a proxy browser will allow you to view "objectionable contents" .... and that once this thing blow over, all will be well again ...
As Tibetan riots spread, China blocks access to youtube
http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/article3568040.ece
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hbfV-wdLtDoJINfd5G8sZiT-lQyAD8VEGOI00
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/17/business/media/17youtube.html
before one starts screaming of it all being untrue .... just do a google search, and see thousands of websites reporting the same thing ....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Shield
so well ..... curious that some fellows are able to access youtube over there eh ? .... small wonder isn't it, if you can only see one side of the protests, of the "dastardly tibetans attacking hans" ... then racialism and nationalism would easily be stoked in you, no ? ...
some, of course, like the TS, would actually be overseas ... for the rest ? .... I'll let people draw their own conclusions ...
*update ... a friend of mine in beijing has just confirmed that he's unable to load some of the more "objectionable" youtube links i sent to him over msn .... and he cannot load the youtube hong kong website from there at all
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Ya and the chinese govt tells the truth always and has never killed any tibetean.
Who the hell asked the chinese to go to tibetean streets to get killed?
And I am betting tht all of u forgot to remember when the chinese shot at monks who went to india and tianmen square and all other times kept under covers.
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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article3538028.ece
Look at the title of the report and the picture that accompanies it. Those are supposed to be Chinese police?
It reveals the true face of Western media and their frenzied obsession with besmirching the image of China. To achieve their purpose, they will do anything, including concocting reports, as shown both in the video referenced in the first post and the report whose link is provided here.
Of course for the sycophants whose lips are firmly placed on Uncle Sam's (metaphor for the West at large) buttocks, those lies are unquestionable truth. Boy, they so would bend backwards to rationalize such lies on behalf of their ideological masters.
Bigotry is an ugly thing up close when you read some posts here.
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Originally posted by Alucard101:
Ya and the chinese govt tells the truth always and has never killed any tibetean.
Who the hell asked the chinese to go to tibetean streets to get killed?
And I am betting tht all of u forgot to remember when the chinese shot at monks who went to india and tianmen square and all other times kept under covers.
Who the hell asked the chinese to go to tibetean streets to get killed?
This is the most moronic, arrogant and childish question I have ever seen. Are tibetan streets known to have wild and vicious animals looming around waiting to kill?
Consider Tibet a place with great religious significance, your question is blesphemous.
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u cannot completely trust report of both sides.
this is the problem...
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Biased reporting runs counter to journalism codes
http://english.people.com.cn/90001/90780/91342/6380640.html
Facts about Tibet should not be distorted
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-03/24/content_7847789.htm
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Tibet Riot 1 - http://hk.youtube.com/watch?v=gX8e5MrBsnA
From 30sec clip, monks in red-yellow robes join rioters in attacking people in the street, destroying private properties and more...
Tibet Riot 2 - http://hk.youtube.com/watch?v=h3rcSZ1GXKg
More looting, vehicles overturned and properties burnt (including a BOC office) At 3:15min clip, a passerby was attacked and one rioter attempt to stab him with a daggers-like weapon clearly visible. Luckly one fellow rioter stopped him from causing further harm....
Tibet Riot 3 - http://hk.youtube.com/watch?v=HvJ_ksIz4Z0
Sight seeing after a riot. Mandarin speaker says "all worthy goods were stolen, those that are not or can't be looted were burnt..."
At 1:45 min, soldier or paramilitary police in a cab or private car pleading the driver to go faster (to hospital) as he attended to an near-unconcious person apparently hving difficulty in breathing. At 2:20 min, hospital stuff attending to victims with slash wound (Note no gun-shot wound). At 3:13min burnt-out fire-engine left behind on street. A survey of riot aftermath from a police vehicle and over view of the city. Reminds me of Jakarta 13 May 1998.
Tibet Riot 4 - http://hk.youtube.com/watch?v=GMQNg2n11rI
More aftermath video and on-going fire. Firemen extinguishing fire while at 2:30min, some helplessly trying to salvage another of their burnt out fire-truck. Some portion looks like taken from CCTV with no audio feed. At 3min, same scene of unconcious person from Clip 3 and injured passerby.
“Whether we like it or not, we have to live together side by side",
"We must oppose Chinese policy but not the Chinese. Not on a racist basis.” , Dalai Lama in Mar'08
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About the Chinese riot police, I notice aside from having armed with anti-riot gears, some are armed not with guns, but cameras. This is similar tactic used by UK law-enforcer during football match violence for future criminal identification.
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China is also to be blamed as they expel all the reporters from Tibet
so those reporter have to resort to use similar photographs from Nepal to illusytrate their point-
otherwise they will use real photos taken in tibet-
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Originally posted by sgdiehard:
Who the hell asked the chinese to go to tibetean streets to get killed?
This is the most moronic, arrogant and childish question I have ever seen.
Consider Tibet a place with great religious significance, your question is blesphemous.
I woudn't be surprised if you were a stauch chinese supporter.
Are tibetan streets known to have wild and vicious animals looming around waiting to kill?
What wud u do if one day u were run over by one country and they were killing off ur race?Would u welcome them with flowers when you they are there?
Consider Tibet a place with great religious significance, your question is blesphemous.
That's a no brainer.So what explains the calculated eradication of tibetians and filling it with chinese?
http://www.davekopel.com/env/entibet.htm
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/297127/the_geological_effect_of_chinese_invasion_of_tibet/
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"Anti-CNN" website reflects Chinese people's condemnation
The website "www.anti-CNN.com " reflects public condemnation of some Western media's "distorted" reports of the riots in Lhasa, capital of China's Tibet Autonomous Region, Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Qin Gang said on Thursday.
"It is purely spontaneous condemnation and criticism by the Chinese people toward some Western media's irresponsible reports which violated professional ethnics," Qin said at a regular press conference... -
Originally posted by Alucard101:
I woudn't be surprised if you were a stauch chinese supporter.
Are tibetan streets known to have wild and vicious animals looming around waiting to kill?
What wud u do if one day u were run over by one country and they were killing off ur race?Would u welcome them with flowers when you they are there?
Consider Tibet a place with great religious significance, your question is blesphemous.
That's a no brainer.So what explains the calculated eradication of tibetians and filling it with chinese?
http://www.davekopel.com/env/entibet.htm
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/297127/the_geological_effect_of_chinese_invasion_of_tibet/
What’s the point u mentioned the country, when Tibet has never been an internationally recognized country historically? Shame on you even Marco Polo, the 1st westerner went to China has duly mentioned Tibet, apparently because it belonged to part of Yuan Dynast territory where he was visiting. That’s some 1000 years ago, much longer than some modern western countries’ histories combined.
What killing? Under Dalai’s slavery SERF SYSTEM, Tibetans’ population never grew too much, yet after 1959, the population now is doubled to 2.6 million from 1.2 million under the Serf system. The number speaks itself, what genocide? When infant mortality in you favored Slavery Tibet is 460 per 1000, now is under 35 per 1000.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acHkXqik_Bo
Yawning slogan and fabricating killing number do not make your CIA supported “Gov in-exile” any legal/moral high ground. Less than a quarter million Tibet offspring holding various foreign passports do not represent the Tibet with near 3 million people which is always under Chinese territory over thousands years.
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Let's hear from the True Chinese Liberals, from WSJ:
"The Cry of Tibet
By WANG LIXIONG
March 28, 2008; Page A12The recent troubles in Tibet are a replay of events that happened two decades ago. On Oct. 1, 1987, Buddhist monks were demonstrating peacefully at the Barkor -- the famous market street around the central cathedral in Lhasa -- when police began beating and arresting them. To ordinary Tibetans, who view monks as "treasures," the sight was intolerable -- not only in itself, but because it stimulated unpleasant memories that Tibetan Buddhists had been harboring for years.
A few angry young men then began throwing stones at the Barkor police station. More and more joined, and then they set fires, overturned cars and began shouting "Independence for Tibet!" This is almost exactly what we saw in Lhasa two weeks ago.
The fundamental cause of these recurrent events is a painful dilemma that lives inside the minds of Tibetan monks. When the Chinese government demands that they denounce their spiritual leader, the Dalai Lama, monks are forced to choose between obeying, which violates their deepest spiritual convictions, and resisting, which can lead to loss of government registry and physical expulsion from monasteries.
From time to time monks have used peaceful demonstrations to express their anguish. When they have done this, an insecure Chinese government, bent on "annihilating unstable elements" in the "emergent stage," has reacted with violent repression. This, in turn, triggers violence from Tibetans.
In recent decades, the Chinese government's policy for pacifying Tibet has been to combine the allure of economic development on the one hand with the threat of force on the other. Experience has shown that this approach does not work.
The most efficient route to peace in Tibet is through the Dalai Lama, whose return to Tibet would immediately alleviate a number of problems. Much of the current ill will, after all, is a direct result of the Chinese government's verbal attacks on the Dalai Lama, who, for Tibetan monks, has an incomparably lofty status. To demand that monks denounce him is about as practical as asking that they vilify their own parents.
It should be no surprise that beatings of monks and closings of monasteries naturally stimulate civil unrest, or that civil unrest, spawned in this way, can turn violent.
Why aren't these simple truths more obvious? Phuntsog Wanggyal, a Tibetan now retired in Beijing who for years was a leading Communist official in Tibet, has observed that a doctrine of "anti-splittism" has taken root among Chinese government officials who deal with religion and minority affairs, both in central offices in Beijing and in Tibet. Having invested their careers in anti-splittism, these people cannot admit that the idea is mistaken without losing face and, they fear, losing their own power and position as well.
Their ready-made tag for everything that goes wrong is "hostile foreign forces" -- an enemy that justifies any kind of harsh or unreasoning repression. When repeated endlessly, anti-splittism, although originally vacuous, does take on a kind of solidity. Careers are made in it, and challenging it becomes impossible.
I am a supporter of the Dalai Lama's "middle way," meaning autonomy for Tibet in all matters except foreign affairs and national defense. This arrangement eventually would have to mean that Tibetan people select their own leaders -- and that would be a major change from the way things are now. Tibet is called an "autonomous region," but in fact its officials are all named by Beijing, and are all tightly focused on their own personal interests and the interests of the Communist Party. Tibetans can clearly see the difference between this kind of government and self-rule, and there is no way that they will support bogus autonomy.
It follows -- even if this is a tall order -- that the ultimate solution to the Tibet problem must be democratization of the Chinese political system itself. True autonomy cannot come any other way.
It is time for the Chinese government to take stock of why its long-term strategy in Tibet has not worked, and to try something else. The old problems remain, and they are sure to continue, perhaps in places like the "Uighur Autonomous Region" of Xinjiang, if a more sensible approach is not attempted.
Mr. Wang, a Beijing-based writer, was the organizer of the recent 12-point statement on Tibet by 30 Chinese intellectuals. This article was translated from the Chinese by Princeton University Prof. Perry Link."
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China is like a 'big bad bully' bullying a small boy (Tibet). Her cultural genocide on Tibet and her unscrupulous accusation of the Dalai Lama is just unbearable. She should stop her wicked act of violence on Tibet that has brought great sufferings to the Tibetians for decades. If She only has a slight understanding of morality, she should have leave Tibet in peace and not attacking on her. she said wanted a peace talk but do nothing about it.The act of violence is evil and putting the blames on others and deceiving the truth is an unscrupulous act. Leave Tibets and the her culture alone. Leave Tibets to rule by herself.
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Good thing is there is no more rioting etc. Hopefully the Tibetian monks are not subject to torture etc. The people who incited the riots should be subject to the rule of law and brought before the courts to determine their guilt.
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the point u mentioned the country, when Tibet has never been an internationally recognized country historically? Shame on you even Marco Polo, the 1st westerner went to China has duly mentioned Tibet, apparently because it belonged to part of Yuan Dynast territory where he was visiting. That’s some 1000 years ago, much longer than some modern western countries’ histories combined.
OH shame on me?i wud reconsider tht if i were u.
So as per ur assumption since u follow Marco Polo,Singapore is Malaysia?
What killing? Under Dalai’s slavery SERF SYSTEM, Tibetans’ population never grew too much, yet after 1959, the population now is doubled to 2.6 million from 1.2 million under the Serf system. The number speaks itself, what genocide? When infant mortality in you favored Slavery Tibet is 460 per 1000, now is under 35 per 1000.
And I am assuming that you went to count it by urself?????Or your chinese govt friends did the calculation for you????
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acHkXqik_Bo
Yawning slogan and fabricating killing number do not make your CIA supported “Gov in-exile” any legal/moral high ground. Less than a quarter million Tibet offspring holding various foreign passports do not represent the Tibet with near 3 million people which is always under Chinese territory over thousands years.
I am not a big fan of CIA either.if that's the case why does Tibeteans want to be free from China?So u still say that 'Tibet under china' and not a chinese provice.
"The population transfer of Chinese into Tibet, which the government in Peking pursues in order to force a "final solution" to the Tibetan problem by reducing the Tibetan population to an insignificant and disenfranchised minority in Tibet itself, must be stopped.
The massive transfer of Chinese civilians into Tibet in violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention (1949) threatens the very existence of the Tibetans as a distinct people. In the eastern parts of our country, the Chinese now greatly outnumber Tibetans. In the Amdo province, for example, where I was born, there are, according to Chinese statistics, 2.5 million Chinese and only 750,000 Tibetans. Even in so-called Tibet Autonomous Region (i.e., central and western Tibet), Chinese government sources now confirm that Chinese outnumber Tibetans.
The Chinese population transfer policy is not new. It has been systematically applied to other areas before. Earlier in this century, the Manchus were a distinct race with their own culture and traditions. Today only two to three million Manchurians are left in Manchuria, where 75 million Chinese have settled. In Eastern Turkestan, which the Chinese now call Sinkiang, the Chinese population has grown from 200,000 in 1949 to 7 million, more than half of the total population of 13 million. In the wake of the Chinese colonization of Inner Mongolia, Chinese number 8.5 million, Mongols 2.5 million.
Today, in the whole of Tibet 7.5 million Chinese settlers have already been sent, outnumbering the Tibetan population of 6 million. In central and western Tibet, now referred to by the Chinese as the "Tibet Autonomous Region", Chinese sources admit the 1.9 million Tibetans already constitute a minority of the region's population. These numbers do not take the estimated 300,000 - 500,000 troops in Tibet into account - 250,000 of them in the so-called Tibet Autonomous Region. " from
http://www.tibet.com/Proposal/5point.html
And since u are a fan boy of youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxIhqx4xN5w
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Originally posted by Alucard101:
I woudn't be surprised if you were a stauch chinese supporter.
Are tibetan streets known to have wild and vicious animals looming around waiting to kill?
What wud u do if one day u were run over by one country and they were killing off ur race?Would u welcome them with flowers when you they are there?
Consider Tibet a place with great religious significance, your question is blesphemous.
That's a no brainer.So what explains the calculated eradication of tibetians and filling it with chinese?
http://www.davekopel.com/env/entibet.htm
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/297127/the_geological_effect_of_chinese_invasion_of_tibet/
Has the Chinese government killed the Tibetan race? Such kind of unfounded accusations is very dangerous. I don’t know how old are you and how you get this kind of extremist mindset.
Let me tell you what the Caucasians did to the Native Americans. When Columbus arrived in the north American continent, the population of native Americans was estimated at 54 millions, today, there are only about 2 millions Native Indians in America. That is more than what you said “killing off ur race”!!
Today Tibetan population has increased, besides the 2.4 millions living in Tibet, there are another 2.6 millions ethnic Tibetans now in all part of China, in Gansu, Yunna, Qinghai, Sichuan, living peacefully among the Han majority. Talk about culture aggression and reservation? Starbuck was allowed in the Forbidden City but never in the Jokhang temple. Many native Indians languages disappeared from America, but Tibetan language remains in Tibet. No native Indians religion exists now in America, but hundreds of Buddhist monasteries remain the attraction of Buddhists all over the world. Potola Palace remains the icon of Tibet, it houses a thousand shrines.
Tibetan is now opened even more to the outside world with the railway link. Don’t tell me this is to facilitate the “eradication of Tibetans”.
Don’t give me that b ull s hit that the American genocide against the Indian does not give Chinese the right to rule over Tibet. What the Americans did were racial depopulation and cultural eradication. What the Chinese did in Tibet is far far from that. That’s a no brainer.
I am surprised the Chinese police still don’t equip themselves with rubber bullets, water cannon and tear gas. I don’t totally approve of the way they handle the news. I am disappointed at the way Hu pointing finger at Dalai in exile. I am impressed with Dalai in exile for calling for restrains and reiterating his support for the Olympics. That doesn’t mean I support the PRC nor support an independent Tibet. As for the western media, I would be surprised if they report something that is neural.