Free Hawaii!!!!
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Originally posted by justdoit77:
ah.... do you know that China is also practicing capitalism now?
They also have casino, stock market and all those capitalism stuffs that we have.Their Casino only restricted in Macau,overall,their views about modern economy n politics are still very conservative.And many a times,normal citizens dont have property security.If the Communist government want to tear down your house without compensation,they go ahead.[
The most ridiculous is their ignorance about human right.They can slaughter u just because u have different political view from Communism or going street protest.Like the Tiananmen and Funlungong incidents.Also,if your wife is found pregnant and you were found more than one child,your wife could be dragged to force an abortion during the middle of the night.
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Originally posted by drawer:
To be frankly speaking,i also dont like Westerners n Americans racist attitude.Somehow,they always look down on us Asians(perhaps they know we are a threat to them),and apply double standards on us.
BUT,that doesnt mean they dont have any good points for us to learn.Their political systems prove to be very useful to us and prevent autocracy politics from arising.That is something we have to learn from them.
This I agree with you fully.
In fact, there were and are many in the china government who want to push for democracy. But they have to do it step by step, if they rush for it, their achievement will be undone.
Sometimes, we should look at things separately, political system is political system. Sovereignty is sovereignty. If we mix them, it will create unnecessary permutation which complicates things and delay the progress.
Those separatists always put the word independence and democracy together, after sometime, if one day the premier suggest to hold elections somewhere, some people can then label him as separatist. -
I challenge the Straits Times to reproduce Mr Wang's article. Not only that but employ real journalists who can write as elegantly as Prof. Perry Link (Mr Wang's translator).
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Originally posted by idiotbutcherer:
The Hawaiian sovereignty movement consists of organizations and individuals seeking some form of sovereignty for Hawai'i. Generally, the movement's focus is on self-determination and self-governance for people of whole or part Native Hawaiian ancestry or, in some cases, for "Hawaiian nationals", without regard to race or ancestry.[citation needed] In some instances the focus also includes redress from the United States for the 1893 overthrow of Queen Lili'uokalani, and for what is seen as a prolonged military occupation beginning in 1898 with the annexation of the Republic of Hawaii to the United States, and continuing until the present day. The movement generally views both the overthrow and annexation as illegal, and holds the U.S. government responsible for these actions. The historical and legal basis for these claims is one of considerable dispute.[1] While the groups that comprise the movement share these common concerns, their views on how such goals should be achieved vary greatly, ranging from the establishment of some form of "Nation within a Nation" government (similar to the government of some Indian tribes) such as proposed in the Akaka Bill, to reparations from the U.S. government for historical grievances and an end to American military presence, to outright independence from the United States.
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Originally posted by Fatum:
curiously ... both the free puerto rico and free hawaii organization's websites ... are hosted in the United States Itself ...
Can you point out to me any examples of Free Tibetan websites hosted in China ? ....
There were public referendums in Quebec, and also public referendums THREE TIMES in puerto rico incidently ....
in which the independence movement were defeated in the polls .....
what rights, pray tell, do the tibetans enjoy in terms of self determination ? .... do you see any independence parties allowed within China, like in US soil ? ....
of course, perhaps you probably wouldn't count such a thing important and neccessary .... since you yourself, doesn't have the right to vote in your own country too ....
den point out to me any "Free Singapore" website hosted in Singapore
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Fatum, you have not answered the question: Are you anti-China?
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Originally posted by Jamie Zawinski:
The Hawaiian sovereignty movement consists of organizations and individuals seeking some form of sovereignty for Hawai'i. Generally, the movement's focus is on self-determination and self-governance for people of whole or part Native Hawaiian ancestry or, in some cases, for "Hawaiian nationals", without regard to race or ancestry.[citation needed] In some instances the focus also includes redress from the United States for the 1893 overthrow of Queen Lili'uokalani, and for what is seen as a prolonged military occupation beginning in 1898 with the annexation of the Republic of Hawaii to the United States, and continuing until the present day. The movement generally views both the overthrow and annexation as illegal, and holds the U.S. government responsible for these actions. The historical and legal basis for these claims is one of considerable dispute.[1] While the groups that comprise the movement share these common concerns, their views on how such goals should be achieved vary greatly, ranging from the establishment of some form of "Nation within a Nation" government (similar to the government of some Indian tribes) such as proposed in the Akaka Bill, to reparations from the U.S. government for historical grievances and an end to American military presence, to outright independence from the United States.
Oh .. so nice.
Then Hawaii can finally build their OWN casino .. so they need not go all the way to Las Vegas... sin city .. right in their own backyard... HURRRAAHHH!!!!!
They lucky Hawaii becomes part of USA.. else they would probably been under Japanese rule since WW2.
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Originally posted by Jamie Zawinski:
den point out to me any "Free Singapore" website hosted in Singapore
is there a seperatist movement in Singapore ? ... or did you just start one ? ....
if so, please post the links up here ....
are you pro china ? ... people like idiotbutcherer are understandably pro china, because they are chinese nationals, are you ? .... if so, I won't hold your stance against you ...
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Fatum please understand that people who are identify themselves as culturally Chinese will never turn against the motherland, maybe only the governing party.
The only people who think of the 600sq km island as their motherland are only the PAP elites and the Malays.
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If China acts aggressively like USA, make up a cock and bull story as a pretext and invade other people's country and create hell for them, there is no way I will support that.
I will oppose it.
If China pursues a hegemonial policy, I will also oppose.
I am by no means a blind follower of China.
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Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:
If China acts aggressively like USA, make up a cock and bull story as a pretext and invade other people's country and create hell for them, there is no way I will support that.
I will oppose it.
If China pursues a hegemonial policy, I will also oppose.
I am by no means a blind follower of China.
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Have you heard of the Fa Long Gong ?
Why?
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Originally posted by Uncle Ver SG:
Fatum please understand that people who are identify themselves as culturally Chinese will never turn against the motherland, maybe only the governing party.
The only people who think of the 600sq km island as their motherland are only the PAP elites and the Malays.
you mean you don't ? ......
I do .... I am a Singaporean .... what do you see yourself as ? ......
btw ... I just had lunch with my friend who trekked through tibet for months .... her tibetan friends are all uncontactable ....
shé's particularly worried about this chap and his wife ... house phone couldn't be connected, handphone couldn't be connected, the emails got bounced back, msn is not signed in .....
tibet is now cut off from the world .....
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You mean you will fight and die for the island. Good for you.
While you are worried about Tibetian casualites, I pray for INNOCENT casualties on both sides.
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I thought Hawaii was on the house when I saw the title.
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One reason why US want to occupy Hawaii is because it is a strategic location to establish a navy base. US has established a lot of military base overseas because of their strategy to fight wars at other people's land. Whatever war they fight, it always take place at other people's land and not theirs. They send army to Iraq, Afghanistan to "protect" americans. If the win the war, they will gain more control of oil and setup more military base. What if they lose the war , they just withdraw their army, their industry remains intact. Then the country that they fought at will go backward for decades in development.
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Originally posted by Fatum:
you mean you don't ? ......
I do .... I am a Singaporean .... what do you see yourself as ? ......
btw ... I just had lunch with my friend who trekked through tibet for months .... her tibetan friends are all uncontactable ....
shé's particularly worried about this chap and his wife ... house phone couldn't be connected, handphone couldn't be connected, the emails got bounced back, msn is not signed in .....
tibet is now cut off from the world .....
That is weird, I still can contact a friend who lives in Tibet.
If what you say is true, seriously you can report this to CNN, they are more than happy to put any news to stab china.
As far as I know, they haven't put any news that say house phone, handphone, inernet at tibet is cut off from the world. -
Originally posted by justdoit77:
That is weird, I still can contact a friend who lives in Tibet.
If what you say is true, seriously you can report this to CNN, they are more than happy to put any news to stab china.
As far as I know, they haven't put any news that say house phone, handphone, inernet at tibet is cut off from the world.is your friend a han, or a tibetan ? ... would you mind PM-ing me your friend's phone number and contacts and i'll verify it for myself ? ....
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Originally posted by Fatum:
is your friend a han, or a tibetan ? ... would you mind PM-ing me your friend's phone number and contacts and i'll verify it for myself ? ....
maybe the friend works in the government department. -
Originally posted by maurizio13:
maybe the friend works in the government department.haha, my friend is a monk. Don't cnn my words leh.
anyway, to fatum. I can't give you my friend number but I can give you numbers of shops at lhasa.
you need to dial the prefix +860891 follow by the numbers.
西�自治区塑料厂 [西�拉�市]主�：农用薄膜; 工业用管�; 民用产� 所属分类： 塑料薄膜　 [给我��留言] [查看该公��布的信�] 6338784西�圣天农牧林�展有�公� [西�拉�市]所属分类： 国内贸易　 [给我��留言] [查看该公��布的信�] 6330613拉�市金农对外�济贸易有�公� [西�拉�市]所属分类： 国内贸易　 [给我��留言] [查看该公��布的信�] 6324273I got some monastries number +8609768825962
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You can check the number to dial at http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/dialingcodes.html?p1=236&p2=918&number=6330613
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which monastery is that ? ..... may I ask ? ...
i just did on skype ... halfway through the dailtone got weird, as if it got switched over from another network ... not the normal dialtone of skype when you call other destinations .... I couldn't get through for your purported monastery ... and I only heard breathing from the first of your shops when I called, no one said a thing ....
I still couldn't get to my tibetan acquaintances however, whom I tried right after ... who happen to be tibetan civilians btw, not transplanted chinese businessmen (or maybe chinese intelligence? ) ....
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Originally posted by Fatum:
is there a seperatist movement in Singapore ? ... or did you just start one ? ....
if so, please post the links up here ....
are you pro china ? ... people like idiotbutcherer are understandably pro china, because they are chinese nationals, are you ? .... if so, I won't hold your stance against you ...
freedom not in the sense of separatist but free from despotic rule
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Originally posted by Jamie Zawinski:
freedom not in the sense of separatist but free from despotic rule
oh but there are I think .... some even stand for elections ....
don't believe me ? .... here .... courtesy of our friend Poh Ah Pak ...
http://www.singaporedemocrat.org/articleemperornoclothes.html
http://www.singaporedemocrat.org/yourletters1.html
oops ... I'm sorry ... i only got the links to show what the local "democrats" are thinking about China's actions in Tibet ....
so ... this one counts ? ... "free from despotic rule" enough for you ? ....
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Maybe the American democrats etc. should protest against Singapore or China as well or threaten boycott. Why dont you ask the Americans or Australians to do that (not the French surrender monkeys)?
If you cannot set your own house in order first...