World Rice Shortage - is our Gov prepared ?
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MASS Casualties, dear illiterate. You mean surrender like your monkey leader LKY.
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Originally posted by sgdiehard:
You don't have to believe me, and it is good to find out on your own, just don't start stockpiling rice under your bed. hehehethis reminds me of my grandfather who survived through the WWII. I think he stockpiles 10kg or 20kg of rice at home, no matter the circumstances.
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Originally posted by eagle:
one day, singapore will decide to make use of the top of every HDB to plant rice by some new technology.
Rice alone only provide carbohydrate, sweet potatos is still the best. the leafs can be eaten vegetable.
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You dont have to surrender sgdiehard. Just die.
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Originally posted by sgdiehard:
Rice alone only provide carbohydrate, sweet potatos is still the best. the leafs can be eaten vegetable.
For rice, there's brown rice and white rice. White rice is less healthy than brown rice, but it tastes nicer and is more commonly eaten.
And ya, sweet potatoes, brown rice, and oats are healthier source of carbs. So is whole grain bread and multi grain bread... But then... govt tell us don't go for better quality bread wor...
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Actually, singapore should build a mulit-storey, controlled enviroment farms.
Like a high-rise building used for farming, with hydro-ponics and aero-ponics technology.
The problem is...it is VERY energy intensive. So...we need a very reliable energy source when fossil fuels and natural gas is running low.
A VERY VERY reliable energy source.
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Originally posted by ray245:
Actually, singapore should build a mulit-storey, controlled enviroment farms.
Like a high-rise building used for farming, with hydro-ponics and aero-ponics technology.
The problem is...it is VERY energy intensive. So...we need a very reliable energy source when fossil fuels and natural gas is running low.
A VERY VERY reliable energy source.
which is why I suggest using the top of every HDB flat. And maybe top govt buildings... Can harvest free solar energy... It is something natural and more efficient than solar panels... Most likely not enough to feed the population, but it serves a little to help reduce the reliance on external sources... labour wise, there's always cheap foreign workers for this type of labourious job.
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Originally posted by eagle:
which is why I suggest using the top of every HDB flat. And maybe top govt buildings... Can harvest free solar energy... It is something natural and more efficient than solar panels... Most likely not enough to feed the population, but it serves a little to help reduce the reliance on external sources... labour wise, there's always cheap foreign workers for this type of labourious job.
Not sure if the existing HDB structures can take extra loads of soil and water.Should an earthquake strike, it's gonna be alot of swaying, since it's top heavy.
TCH05 should be extremely amazed now that I am talking to myself.
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Another very important factor that influences whether a building will survive an earthquake is the distribution of weight. A building that is top-heavy is more likely to fall
than a building that is lightweight at the top. An earthquake-safe building not only should be constructed with steel rebar. It should be framed with lighter materials in
the upper floors and have a heavily reinforced lower section.
http://www.statssheet.com/articles/article64637.html
The walls of this home were eventually covered with a plywood sheath. At this stage you can see the excellent use of insulation to save energy. Notice that the roof
is very light weight. A light weight roof is an advantage during an earthquake because the building is less top heavy.
http://www.calstatela.edu/dept/geology/Homes.htm
Weight Distribution. Buildings that are wide at their base and have most of their weight distributed to their lowest floors generally fare better in earthquakes than tall,
top- heavy buildings which act like an inverted pendulum. Inverted pendulum buildings usually experience greater displacements than those shorter and heavier near
the base.
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Originally posted by maurizio13:
Not sure if the existing HDB structures can take extra loads of soil and water.
Should an earthquake strike, it's gonna be alot of swaying, since it's top heavy.
TCH05 should be extremely amazed now that I am talking to myself.
That's very true too... I think you are very right here... 1 sq m of water 40 cm deep will weigh about 400kg...
Perhaps not the whole rooftop then, but instead, 1/4 of it... Or something similar... Of course after consulting a professional engineer for approval. Afterall, people do have huge fish tanks or similar heavy things in their home, no matter which floor they stay at.
A lot of solar energy is wasted when they can be harvested on rooftops...
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Originally posted by maurizio13:
Another very important factor that influences whether a building will survive an earthquake is the distribution of weight. A building that is top-heavy is more likely to fall
than a building that is lightweight at the top. An earthquake-safe building not only should be constructed with steel rebar. It should be framed with lighter materials in
the upper floors and have a heavily reinforced lower section.
http://www.statssheet.com/articles/article64637.html
The walls of this home were eventually covered with a plywood sheath. At this stage you can see the excellent use of insulation to save energy. Notice that the roof
is very light weight. A light weight roof is an advantage during an earthquake because the building is less top heavy.
http://www.calstatela.edu/dept/geology/Homes.htm
Weight Distribution. Buildings that are wide at their base and have most of their weight distributed to their lowest floors generally fare better in earthquakes than tall,
top- heavy buildings which act like an inverted pendulum. Inverted pendulum buildings usually experience greater displacements than those shorter and heavier near
the base.
This is simple physics... It is a combination of moments and centre of gravity...
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"A VERY VERY reliable energy source." aka nuke.
u do know it wont feed 1 million people much less 4. A more viable option is big commercial high tech kelong.
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Actually, singapore should build a mulit-storey, controlled enviroment farms.
Like a high-rise building used for farming, with hydro-ponics and aero-ponics technology.
The problem is...it is VERY energy intensive. So...we need a very reliable energy source when fossil fuels and natural gas is running low.
A VERY VERY reliable energy source.
We have same thoughts.
Since we are planning for 6.5 mil population,i think food is the top priority for us.
We can have NEwater,we have world first underground Ammo storage,i think high tech farming should
not be a problem for us.
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Should be high tech, yet cheap, farming... That is the hard part.
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No problem right? Lets see. One stroke of the pen you have solved world hunger as well.
World First underground Ammo storage waiting for bunker buster etc. to be used in magical war against unicorns, led by boys in green.
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If we are to plant rice ourselves at mulit-storey Carpark.... as suggested by some....
1) Would any S'porean wants to be the 'Farmer'
2) If they have to import farmer as FT or FW..... would S'porean again complaint about too many FT or FW
And if we were to remove ammo from under the mountain to store rice as some suggested..... where are we going to find enough rice to fill up.... when the shortage is already happening now and alot of countries is limiting the sales of rice
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Generally singapore is not hit by the food rising price because singaporean r generally not poor enough to be literally left hungry. Is the gov preparing for the world food shortages ? I think we r better off than most countries since everybody here r metropolitan and can afford food.
And my impression is ALL countries at peace stockpile food for a period of time from a long history till now. Why ? They r worried when war occurs then the country immediately goes hungry and lose the war before it started.
10 million bags of rice seems a lot when u buy from NTUC but it may be simply translated to 100 of the metal containers u see in the harbour.
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1 metal container can contain 100,000 bags of rice? I think the guestimation is off.
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I do a rough estimation.
A container is 40 feet by 8 feet by 9.5 feet. I round it smaller to be 12m by 2.4m by 2.8m to account for inner diameter. The total volume is calculated as 80.64m cube.
http://www.export911.com/e911/ship/dimen.htm
I roughly measure a packet of 1 kg rice to be 18cm by 12 cm by 3cm. The total volume is 0.000648m cube.
I use the NTUC Gold Thai Hom Mali Superior Fragrant rice as the sample
If we squeeze all the rice into the above mentioned container, we can put 124444.4 packets, which is 124444.4kg of rice. 100 container will make it 12.4 million kg of rice.
This is already close to your estimation of rice required to feed the nation for 3 months.
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U may think the population of singapore is a lot but realistically speaking, singapore is too small and the population is many times smaller than a city in other countries. To stockpile food is not tat incredulous or impossible.
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124 tonnes. That sounds pretty off. I had always assumed Singapore had stockpile of food (have for sand, oil and AMMO). Anyway the ex-rice sales man Sgdiehard, claims 3 months stored in Thai warehouses somewhere mandated by Singapore. Dont know if its true.
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possible mah... storing 100 containers is not tat difficult right ? I think the space is just like a plot of land for a HDB flat. I mean they r willing to make up so much space to put granites or sand and rubbish, why do u think they r not willing to just keep 100 containers of rice somewhere
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I dont think its just 100 containers. I dont believe in hearsay, why dont you ask your MP whether this is true or not. Well if it is and NTUC sells at market price, they make quite a bundle.
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Ok lor... so u believe contries like zimbabwe or malaysia or venuezela or china do stockpile food, but our country leader r so stupid they keep 0 food in singapore, and spend so much money on defense etc, and preparing for war anytime yet without preparing any food which is known to make or break the outcome of a war, when singapore population is small and trade is abundant, and when a lot of people do certify tat singapore had promise to stockpile food yet they actually don't...
then i rest my case
I don't think tis is a question whether does singapore stockpile food at all.
I think the question is, does any country at peace don't stockpile food at all ?
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Originally posted by stupidissmart:
I do a rough estimation.
A container is 40 feet by 8 feet by 9.5 feet. I round it smaller to be 12m by 2.4m by 2.8m to account for inner diameter. The total volume is calculated as 80.64m cube.
http://www.export911.com/e911/ship/dimen.htm
I roughly measure a packet of 1 kg rice to be 18cm by 12 cm by 3cm. The total volume is 0.000648m cube.
I use the NTUC Gold Thai Hom Mali Superior Fragrant rice as the sample
If we squeeze all the rice into the above mentioned container, we can put 124444.4 packets, which is 124444.4kg of rice. 100 container will make it 12.4 million kg of rice.
This is already close to your estimation of rice required to feed the nation for 3 months.
For weight cargo like rice, you will have to ship them in 20ft FCL and the weight limit is about 27,000kg per FCL, depending on the tare weight of the container.
For 40ft FCL, the weight will be lesser because the tare weight is higher.