Originally posted by EROPAGNIS:
Do a search on the internet.
You, as the starter of the thread, should have the courtesy to post the articles, or at least a link to the article, if you see it on the net.
Originally posted by EROPAGNIS:
Because you dont like your own country?
Strange.....ended up in another thread. ![]()
The same company (Mercer) who ranked Singapore as the 34th best city to lived in, has skewed data from the survey, because it omits other
important aspects of quality of life (ie social aspects).
http://www.citymayors.com/features/quality_survey.html
The survey would also be bias if respondents are highly educated individuals, therefore belonging to the high income group.
Did Mercer Consulting did a questionaire or interview survey of taxi drivers, coffee shop assistants, aluminium can aunties, etc?
The same company (Mercer) that ranked Singapore 34th best city [after (3)Vancouver, (5)Auckland, (9)Sydney, (12)Wellington,
(15)Toronto, (17)Melbourne, (21)Perth, (22)Montreal, (24)Calgary,(29)Adelaie & (32)Brisbane] to lived in,
also ranked Singapore 14th in terms of cost of living (this is not similar to standard of living).
Singapore is expensive in terms of cost of living when compared to New York, Rome, Vienna, Sydney, Helsinki, Amsterdam, Stockholm,
Madrid, Athens, Barcelona, Glasgow, Munich, Frankfurt, Los Angeles, Luxembourg, Brussels, Berlin, Dusseldorf & Taipei.
http://www.mercer.com/referencecontent.jhtml?idContent=1095320
In such a scenario, it isn't surprising that many local Singaporeans prefer to migrate to Australia & New Zealand, rather than
contend with a lower than best place to work and live ranking and keeping up with a extremely high cost of living ranking, when
compared to Australia or New Zealand.
Originally posted by EROPAGNIS:What I am trying to say is that, Singapore is not the perfect place to live, because we dont have fresh air, we dont have big open space. However in view of the impact in globalisation, there is NO place in the world where you can slack and still make a decent living.
NO Place in the world ???? Bwahahahahahha....
Ehh... EROPAGNIS.... please go out and visit other parts of Planet Earth.
Singapore is NOT the only place that is a good place to live, slack and make a decent living.
One can work hard as a propoganda officer in Singapore and make a decent living after all. Pity the fools in Russia and China...paid less. They should come work for the PAP.
Or are they already doing that in the form of FT? Globalization what and free market. If PAP pays more than the Kremlin and Politburo and they are the best at propoganda, should employ these people and put the local propogandists out a job. That will teach them.
Originally posted by jojobeach:NO Place in the world ???? Bwahahahahahha....
Ehh... EROPAGNIS.... please go out and visit other parts of Planet Earth.
Singapore is NOT the only place that is a good place to live, slack and make a decent living.
If you want to preach about democracy, then you have to respect the findings of the survey unless you can prove that the survey is bias
Originally posted by EROPAGNIS:
If you want to preach about democracy, then you have to respect the findings of the survey unless you can prove that the survey is bias
you should read the other thread... As posted by another forumer
The same company (Mercer) who ranked Singapore as the 34th best city to lived in, has skewed data from the survey, because it omits other
important aspects of quality of life (ie social aspects).
http://www.citymayors.com/features/quality_survey.html
The survey would also be bias if respondents are highly educated individuals, therefore belonging to the high income group.
Did Mercer Consulting did a questionaire or interview survey of taxi drivers, coffee shop assistants, aluminium can aunties, etc?
The same company (Mercer) that ranked Singapore 34th best city [after (3)Vancouver, (5)Auckland, (9)Sydney, (12)Wellington,
(15)Toronto, (17)Melbourne, (21)Perth, (22)Montreal, (24)Calgary,(29)Adelaie & (32)Brisbane] to lived in,
also ranked Singapore 14th in terms of cost of living (this is not similar to standard of living).
Singapore is expensive in terms of cost of living when compared to New York, Rome, Vienna, Sydney, Helsinki, Amsterdam, Stockholm,
Madrid, Athens, Barcelona, Glasgow, Munich, Frankfurt, Los Angeles, Luxembourg, Brussels, Berlin, Dusseldorf & Taipei.
http://www.mercer.com/referencecontent.jhtml?idContent=1095320
In such a scenario, it isn't surprising that many local Singaporeans prefer to migrate to Australia & New Zealand, rather than
contend with a lower than best place to work and live ranking and keeping up with a extremely high cost of living ranking, when
compared to Australia or New Zealand.
A ranking of 34th for best place to work and live in, compared to a ranking of 14th for the costliest city to live in.
Hardly a fair exchange, 34th for 14th
Originally posted by eagle:
you should read the other thread... As posted by another forumer
It really depends what you are comparing. If you say quality of life, qualify of air, qualify of space, then Singapore is definitely going to fare pretty bad. To be fair, since Singapore is Singapore why should we be talking about something which by default is small.
The point of this discussion here is that, Singapore is the great place to work, live and have fun.
I bet you are going to argue that only the rich can enjoy life in Singapore. However I do think that Singaporeans are taking too much things for granted and they dont really appreciate what they have.
Is quite shameful to let a foreigner tell us how lucky we are to be living in Singapore.
I'd prefer the Australian or New Zealand cities, they end up higher up the scale in terms of best cities to live and work in, but none
of the associated high cost of living like Singapore.
All the major Australian cities beat Singapore hands down. ![]()
P4P managing one small city can't even compare with Australia.
Originally posted by EROPAGNIS:According to some survey, Singapore is ranked as one of the best place to work and live. I wonder why so many people in this forum are so unhappy?
coz forumers who discuss about pointless politics here are just mere whiners
heard of the word greed?
Originally posted by maurizio13:
I'd prefer the Australian or New Zealand cities, they end up higher up the scale in terms of best cities to live and work in, but none
of the associated high cost of living like Singapore.
All the major Australian cities beat Singapore hands down.
P4P managing one small city can't even compare with Australia.
I would suggest that you go to Australia and work for a few years and then tell us if you are motivated to work or motivated to slack.
Originally posted by EROPAGNIS:
I would suggest that you go to Australia and work for a few years and then tell us if you are motivated to work or motivated to slack.
I follow the same survey results findings as you.
You mean you are disputing the survey from Mercer which you posted?
From the survey results, it clearly shows that all Australian cities are better places to live than Singapore,
not fogettting that they are also cheaper than Singapore.
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I don't need to work in Singapore because I already know how the system marginalises common folks.
At least there is a glimmer of hope in Australia.
If you are disputing the survey results you posted, then probably the results was wrong about Singapore being 34th also
(while all the major Australian cities end up better in ranking).
Case closed.
Originally posted by maurizio13:
I follow the same survey results findings as you.
You mean you are disputing the survey from Mercer which you posted?
From the survey results, it clearly shows that all Australian cities are better places to live than Singapore,
not fogettting that they are also cheaper than Singapore.
I don't need to work in Singapore because I already know how the system marginalises common folks.
At least there is a glimmer of hope in Australia.
You said better place to live and I am saying better place to live and WORK? Do you understand the difference?
Talking about marginalising, do you know that in Australia the system doesnt motivate people to work hard, because the harder you work the heavier is your tax burden, unless you are the boss of the company
Originally posted by EROPAGNIS:
It really depends what you are comparing. If you say quality of life, qualify of air, qualify of space, then Singapore is definitely going to fare pretty bad. To be fair, since Singapore is Singapore why should we be talking about something which by default is small.
The point of this discussion here is that, Singapore is the great place to work, live and have fun.
I bet you are going to argue that only the rich can enjoy life in Singapore. However I do think that Singaporeans are taking too much things for granted and they dont really appreciate what they have.
Is quite shameful to let a foreigner tell us how lucky we are to be living in Singapore.
"If you say quality of life, qualify of air, qualify of space, then Singapore is definitely going to fare pretty bad. "
You say quality of life in Singapore is definitely going to fare pretty bad, then you tell us it is a great place to live and work??????
Why Singapore is not the best place to live:
1) The island is too small. Got nowhere to go on weekends.
2) The houses are small, ugly and expensive. We own only four walls for 99 years (too bad for our grandchildren)
3) The weather is hot and humid.
4) Electricity and water bills are expensive.
5) Market is too small and competitive. Not a starting place for entrepreneurs. You start a business and two months your next door is your competitor.
6) Education system is outrages. From a young age, you are streamed into clever or stupid classification. Henceforth many late starters are doomed for the rest of their lives.
7) Incompetence security forces. Let terrorist escape via toilet.
8) Potential danger. Escape terrorist will come back for revenge.
9) Irresponsible leader. The person responsible for the terrorist escape, escaped himself unscratched.
10) No room for talent. Company hires foreigners with government support, to replace even the blue collar workers.
11) The government favours the foreigner by given them free education.
12) No chewing gun.
13) Expensive cigarette.
14) Cannot smoke in the pub (it's like banning pork in a restaurant that has only 10% non-pork eating customers, since people who frequent pub tend to also smoke). Remember few years ago the government grant pub licenses so easy and pubs mushroomed throughout the country within a short period. Now they are making the pubs close down before they change policy and start granting new licenses again.
15)..........can anyone continue......i too sad to continue........
Originally posted by eagle:"If you say quality of life, qualify of air, qualify of space, then Singapore is definitely going to fare pretty bad. "
You say quality of life in Singapore is definitely going to fare pretty bad, then you tell us it is a great place to live and work??????
Do you understand the meaning of AND?
Originally posted by EROPAGNIS:
Do you understand the meaning of AND?
you are trying to tell us that working here is not part of living here, thus living and working here is different from living here?
you are trying to tell us that quality of life does not include working here?
Originally posted by EROPAGNIS:Talking about marginalising, do you know that in Australia the system doesnt motivate people to work hard, because the harder you work the heavier is your tax burden, unless you are the boss of the company
That's why more and more Singaporean are moving to Australia. We want to feel how it's like to be pampered by government......seems so unbelievable.
Originally posted by eagle:you are trying to tell us that working here is not part of living here, thus living and working here is different from living here?
you are trying to tell us that quality of life does not include working here?
There is a difference between working and spending good times with friends and family. And what I am saying is that it is the combination of both that make Singapore a great place to be.
Which other survey are you referring to?
Maybe you can post a link so that we can judge for ourselves?
The propaganda which the Straits Times and ChannelNewsAsia mentioned last year was the Mercer survey.
In terms of sanitation and health, Singapore is ranked 50th, losing out to all the major Australian and New Zealand cities.



http://www.mercer.com/referencecontent.jhtml?idContent=1128060
Originally posted by EROPAGNIS:
There is a difference between working and spending good times with friends and family. And what I am saying is that it is the combination of both that make Singapore a great place to be.
I'm not talking about the difference between working and spending good times with friends and family.
What you have implied in your reply to me is that your definition of "working and spending good times with friends and family" is unrelated to your definition of "quality of life"
Originally posted by eagle:I'm not talking about the difference between working and spending good times with friends and family.
What you have implied in your reply to me is that your definition of "working and spending good times with friends and family" is unrelated to your definition of "quality of life"
May I suggest that you read what this thread is all about before posting.
We are talking about Singapore being one of the best place to Live AND work. Not about just living or working.
If you still cant understand what I am saying then I think there is no point to continue our discussion.
Originally posted by EROPAGNIS:
May I suggest that you read what this thread is all about before posting.
We are talking about Singapore being one of the best place to Live AND work. Not about just living or working.
If you still cant understand what I am saying then I think there is no point to continue our discussion.
May I point out to you that it was you who told us
"If you say quality of life, qualify of air, qualify of space, then Singapore is definitely going to fare pretty bad. "
Yet you are tell us again that
"Singapore being one of the best place to Live AND work."
And you are not denying that quality of life does not include [Live AND work].
If you are going to be so contradictory in your statements, and till now still refusing to point out to everyone your actual source of information, why are you even starting this discussion?
Originally posted by maurizio13:
Which other survey are you referring to?
Maybe you can post a link so that we can judge for ourselves?
The propaganda which the Straits Times and ChannelNewsAsia mentioned last year was the Mercer survey.
In terms of sanitation and health, Singapore is ranked 50th, losing out to all the major Australian and New Zealand cities.
http://www.mercer.com/referencecontent.jhtml?idContent=1128060
My guess is that you have been too caught up with trying to reinvent the wheel and you have totally forgotten about reading what have been discussed in this thread.