When FT outnumbers locals, what would happen?
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Originally posted by balance_else_complacent:
Hi TS,You asked : What happens when FT outnumber locals?
I have this news for you.
FTs A L R E A D Y OUT-NUMBERED L O C A L S in almost all large private sector MNCs IT department. I welcome someone to challenge me on this. I really am overconfident on this aspect. Chinese saying : "Put your horse come over".
Do not be surprised. If you are, your life as it was, was wasted.
AND!
not just private large MNCs IT dept, many if not most private and large and small companys also. Its very common scene in public sectorial also.
Many FTs compete fiercely with locals. To them its just a matter of this place welcomes them, so why would anyone of them not take it for granted ? and i thought they would show some kind of gratitute to the pore for allowing them their happiness. If they so FT and do not enjoy happiness here, why still here?
I do not blame FTs for coming in , recommending their relatives, and whole family tree over to a free for all place. They are allowed.
Thus, is it not clear?
Your wish comes true when you accept.
depends on whether your foreign workers include PRs
at least in the stats board, it doesn't.
anyway conclusion:
1) if include PRs, only more than Singaporeans by a bit.
2) if does not include PRs, definitely lesserBtw, not all foreign workers are FTs, so FTs definitely less than Singaporeans in that strict definition.
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Originally posted by eagle:
depends on whether your foreign workers include PRs
at least in the stats board, it doesn't.
anyway conclusion:
1) if include PRs, only more than Singaporeans by a bit.
2) if does not include PRs, definitely lesserBtw, not all foreign workers are FTs, so FTs definitely less than Singaporeans in that strict definition.
so what is the definition of ft you are referring to ?
all foreign IT staff are considered FT, is that not true?
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Originally posted by balance_else_complacent:
so what is the definition of ft you are referring to ?
all foreign IT staff are considered FT, is that not true?
explain pls.In my definition, if FT, they must at least hold a post graduate degree, or has been pioneering in some research areas... or... a successful entrepreneur with damn good human management skills... etc...
The rest are just FWs to me...
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btw eagle, i am still convinced they outnumber locals in most mnc's.
my eyes dont lie.
9:1
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Originally posted by balance_else_complacent:
btw eagle, i am still convinced they outnumber locals in most mnc's.
my eyes dont lie.
9:1
I didn't proclaim FWs do not outnumber Singaporeans. Most do not qualify as FTs.... No point upgrading their status here, especially if you do not welcome them right?
To me, FTs are like my mentors for my final year project. 1 came from Taiwan, with postgrad done in both US and Japan. The other one did his undergrad in India I think, and postgrad at NTU. And I can say, both are very very nice people.
But FWs wise, I can't say much. I have met both nice and not nice ones...
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when the outnumber happens, u will find the same thing as in AUS. Their own kind cliquing together and loss of diverse interactions between different groups of people.
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Singapore would just be renamed to Foreignapore
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Originally posted by eagle:
I didn't proclaim FWs do not outnumber Singaporeans. Most do not qualify as FTs.... No point upgrading their status here, especially if you do not welcome them right?
To me, FTs are like my mentors for my final year project. 1 came from Taiwan, with postgrad done in both US and Japan. The other one did his undergrad in India I think, and postgrad at NTU. And I can say, both are very very nice people.
But FWs wise, I can't say much. I have met both nice and not nice ones...
there is no welcome or no welcome. I am neutral. as neutral as the press.
they are allowed to come in.
this is why they can come in.
FTs are also in Japan. But very rare. Japan is able to be world best with only rare few FTs. And due to the strict entrance requirement, I think they are true FTs. Like those who can entrance into European market.
Its about ratio my brudder. R A T I O. how many are true talents?
u see wtf i mean?
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The reservist service will be extended for sg mens that are stuck in sg.
Less places for local born sg students in uni cos it is FREE for the FT.
Sg pple become minority and more FTs will take care of their kakis when the FTs comes into power.
Sg will be another state for China and India.
I guess the FTs will take over and bully the sg pple that have not treated nicely when they are here.
Chinatown would become China Town.
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FTs are worldly.
They know what is going on.
They know how you feel.
They also really know, they are welcome.
They also really know its level playing field for them. and their brudders and sisters wanting to enjoy the same as they do. just recommend to their employers. They only need to have some cert.
this does not prove a talent.
if cert is indicator of talents, all poreans are foreign talent calibre as long as they have a cert.
they compete with locals seriously. They want to keep their rice bowls too. They still have some plans to bring their family tree over.
In IT departments where they are majority and poreans minority, i mean seriously overwhelmed minority, even their boss is a majority, u become a minority in your home town. Guess what is the effect?
I do not blame them for this.
I am neutral as the press.
They are allowed this privilege.
get wtf i mean?
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i only hope our woman folks would not become their maids!
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then no more Singapore but Multipore
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Originally posted by lotus999:
i only hope our woman folks would not become their maids!
my company pang teh uncle already their maid.our local gals some already their pat tor.
modern ladies thinking very multi culture wan.
they also very american gal wan, if u knoe wtf i mean.
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When FT outnumbers locals, FT would create FTforums to post government bashing threads.
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Originally posted by balance_else_complacent:
Hi TS,You asked : What happens when FT outnumber locals?
I have this news for you.
FTs A L R E A D Y OUT-NUMBERED L O C A L S in almost all large private sector MNCs IT department. I welcome someone to challenge me on this. I really am overconfident on this aspect. Chinese saying : "Put your horse come over".
Do not be surprised. If you are, your life as it was, was wasted.
AND!
not just private large MNCs IT dept, many if not most private and large and small companys also. Its very common scene in public sectorial also.
Many FTs compete fiercely with locals. To them its just a matter of this place welcomes them, so why would anyone of them not take it for granted ? and i thought they would show some kind of gratitute to the pore for allowing them their happiness. If they so FT and do not enjoy happiness here, why still here?
I do not blame FTs for coming in , recommending their relatives, and whole family tree over to a free for all place. They are allowed.
Thus, is it not clear?
Your wish comes true when you accept.
it's time to evacuate from sg now.
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Originally posted by fishbuff:
it's time to evacuate from sg now.
aren't you glad you are gone? I am glad too.
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News just heard on radio about Britain. Apparently, the britons are also extremely unhappy about too many immigrants in their country, and wanted policies to change such that immigrants are encouraged to move out of the country.
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Originally posted by eagle:
In my definition, if FT, they must at least hold a post graduate degree, or has been pioneering in some research areas... or... a successful entrepreneur with damn good human management skills... etc...
The rest are just FWs to me...
in the pore, the last time i saw the news, a IT person earning $2000 a month is a FT. -
Originally posted by eagle:
News just heard on radio about Britain. Apparently, the britons are also extremely unhappy about too many immigrants in their country, and wanted policies to change such that immigrants are encouraged to move out of the country.
in britain but not the case in Germany and Switzerland and Denmark and Sweden etc. The european union is dam strong.NTCU. ke ke ke
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Originally posted by balance_else_complacent:
in the pore, the last time i saw the news, a IT person earning $2000 a month is a FT.That's propaganda mah.
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Originally posted by balance_else_complacent:
in britain but not the case in Germany and Switzerland and Denmark and Sweden etc. The european union is dam strong.NTCU. ke ke ke
From my German teacher last semester:
Germans complained a lot about the large intake of immigrants (many Italians) coming to work in their country, and stealing their jobs, driving down their wages. It was only after a while that they realised that these people were doing jobs that locals do not really want to do, and they are actually helping the economy a lot.
I do not know exactly which policy the german government took (most likely not the same as sg), but the info is most likely on the net somewhere. The result was there: Germany was the 3rd largest economy in the world. But I think it has been overtaken by China now.
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europe is a group of countries. They have european union. europeans are free to work and travel within this 'continent'. even if italian is working in germany, their salary is way much higher than the pore and anywhere else. euro is king. You should also point out that european union protects europeans so much that very very few asians are allowed to work there. This is why european IT staff are paid so much higher. i ask you . why european companies never pull out of europe and let their it staff die ? why they doont let cheaper asians come in like what you preached? globalisation mah, you said. has the european economy crashed due to IT cost? A company does not pull out due to IT cost. Its the sales , u dong dong! "its the econonomy, stewpig!" u diy too much or watched knn too much?
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Originally posted by balance_else_complacent:
europe is a group of countries. They have european union. europeans are free to work and travel within this ‘continent’.
even if italian is working in germany, their salary is way much higher than the pore and anywhere else.
euro is king.
You should also point out that european union protects europeans so much that very very few asians are allowed to work there.
This is why european IT staff are paid so much higher.
i ask you . why european companies never pull out of europe and let their it staff die ? why they doont let cheaper asians come in like what you preached? globalisation mah, you said. has the european economy crashed due to IT cost? A company does not pull out due to IT cost. Its the sales , u dong dong! “its the econonomy, stewpig!”
u diy too much or watched knn too much?
No need to post the same post twice in 2 threads.
There is a reason why there are so many foreign IT companies from Europe and America present in economies in the Asian region. Since they cannot bring people in, they go out to get the people. You don't want this to happen in Singapore.If they move out, even if it is only 10% jobs for Singaporeans, their jobs will still be gone.
In addition, the complains on foreigners in a German economy before the EU was people from around Europe too, near proximity to them. Similarly, the complains that you are giving now are on people in near proximity to Singapore too. So in your logic, you would not complain on PRCs coming in to Singapore to work if there's an Asian Union?
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you did not reply to why european companies do not move out of europe when their IT salary is so high. they Expand overseas. but they do not migrate.
thus your logic that if IT department don't hire FT , companies will exit the pore is 1-sided.
its the sales and not the IT department, get it?
when u have 9:1 IT dept comprised of mostly Foreigners, u end up lowering the salary. is this an employment malpractice? employing true rare talents is reasonable. but employing non-talents takes away rice bowl from locals who are the ones who can sacrifice and defend the nation. the issue here is , is there an oversupply? lowering the cost ? why europe do not lower their citizen salary ? 1st worlds. highly expensive living. some more low low quality of life.
why europe companies do not crash with high IT cost?
reply directly if u are capable.
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Originally posted by sgdiehard:
aren't you glad you are gone? I am glad too.im glad that you as a malaysian take over my place in sg.