When FT outnumbers locals, what would happen?
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See that my sentence has come true:
You will see that he will only debate with you based on what he sees with his eyes.
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As I have always said, these are based on my personal experience and observations having worked in numerous large MNCs in their IT departments.
I wonder how many he has worked in.
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Originally posted by balance_else_complacent:
Europe does not rely on asian FTs who are cheaper. Way cheaper.Why ?
When I say europe, I mean inside europe.
When say european companies, I mean companies inside europe, physically operating there, employing the europeans there physically.
Europe IT staff are paid so much higher. Same skillsets.
Why europe does not rely so greatly on asians?
Why do european companies continue to be successful? Why is europe so successful without relying on cheaper asians?
Why they do not replace all their expensive europeans with cheaper asian? save cost right according to eagle.
its alright, eager, i am sure you do not have the answer.
Any idea why Asian Supermarkets thrive so well across Germany?
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u also could not answer me. ha ha ha...
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Originally posted by eagle:
Any idea why Asian Supermarkets thrive so well across Germany?
your fail to understand the topic and my question.I am talking about why european companies residing in europe still keep their highly paid IT staff when there are cheaper alternatives.
you never could convince me. u have no answer. face it. i urge you to prove me wrong.
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Originally posted by balance_else_complacent:
your fail to understand the topic and my question.I am talking about why european companies residing in europe still keep their highly paid IT staff when there are cheaper alternatives.
you never could convince me. u have no answer. face it. i urge you to prove me wrong.
There's no way one can convince an block head like yours. Even when the answers are already spoonfed to you, you seem to delight in only claiming that your questions have not been answered.
I'm sure I do not need to show you the number of times you have quoted the answer and asked for an answer. You can continue to act dumb if you wish.
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"As I have always said, these are based on my personal experience and observations having worked in numerous large MNCs in their IT departments."
If you worked in many MNC's IT department, it can only mean you switched voluntarily or fired due to incompetence. I'll take the latter since you you attempted to differentiate between "europe" and "inside europe".
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Originally posted by fai:
"As I have always said, these are based on my personal experience and observations having worked in numerous large MNCs in their IT departments."
If you worked in many MNC's IT department, it can only mean you switched voluntarily or fired due to incompetence. I'll take the latter since you you attempted to differentiate between "europe" and "inside europe".
I'll also take the latter since he could not even understand my posts, and instead misunderstand them. I wouldn't be surprised if he misunderstand instructions or things he is supposed to do. He's probably an outcast in any company from the way he speaks, someone with a l***r mentality, forever not being able to accept that he is the only one who can change his own life.
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Let's return to the topic. The popular viewpoint here is that foreigners are threatening local jobs. If you can't perform, you will be sacked even without the presence of foreign competition.
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Originally posted by fai:
Let's return to the topic. The popular viewpoint here is that foreigners are threatening local jobs. If you can't perform, you will be sacked even without the presence of foreign competition.
My viewpoint in short is that since companies are already hiring so many foreigners, any new protection measures taken now to make them employ more locals will simply give them the movtivation to further move much of their operations to some neighbouring region where they can continue to hire as many foreigners as they like.
In addition, even if companies employ mainly foreigners, there will still be a trickle down effect for jobs allocated to locals.
FT policy is supported. However, the way that PAP handles it is not supported. The number of foreigners here are just too many for some of us. Nevertheless, there are still many areas in which we can exploit the situation. It would make perfect sense not to compete in areas you already know you don't have a comparative advantage in.
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Originally posted by eagle:
My viewpoint in short is that since companies are already hiring so many foreigners, any new protection measures taken now to make them employ more locals will simply give them the movtivation to further move much of their operations to some neighbouring region where they can continue to hire as many foreigners as they like.
In addition, even if companies employ mainly foreigners, there will still be a trickle down effect for jobs allocated to locals.
FT policy is supported. However, the way that PAP handles it is not supported. The number of foreigners here are just too many for some of us. Nevertheless, there are still many areas in which we can exploit the situation. It would make perfect sense not to compete in areas you already know you don't have a comparative advantage in.
Is there any particular sector/sectors you wish to outline? Media sector is growing. Manufacturing is dead. Hospitals are hiring. Navy,airforce are spamming students' mailbox.
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Originally posted by fai:
Is there any particular sector/sectors you wish to outline? Media sector is growing. Manufacturing is dead. Hospitals are hiring. Navy,airforce are spamming students' mailbox.
Most obvious sector of companies moving overseas (neighbouring countries, especially China) is the manufacturing sector. The cost savings are substantial since the delivery costs could be quite low for such a near place. Even in Europe, they do manufacture/import clothes from Turkey or Bangladesh just like what we do from China/Thailand.
There's definitely no stopping companies in other sectors from taking the plunge to move operations overseas if we stopped them now from employing excessive (in the eyes of some here) foreign workers.
Some of the major sectors that won't really move much operations abroad, no matter what labour policy there is, in my opinion, are
1) Biomedical -- pple will still fall sick here
2) Education -- still need to study
3) Property/Construction -- obvious
4) Financial -- this one is more of due to Sg's reputation.There might be some more... But didn't come to mind at the current moment.
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I find the the idea "do-not-hire-too-many-foreigners" abit hard to implement and enforce especially in the businesses handling intellectuals.
What if a biomedical institute budget can hire 10 scientist per dept. and you have 8 locals, and there are 3 foreign scientists who have good portfolios and you can't fire any locals, and one of the foreign scientist is a potential vaccine superstar.
I present this as a hypothetical, not assumption.
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Originally posted by fai:
If you are good i don't see why there's any worry someone will take over your job.
u have a long way to go.
do give us an intro on your profession please. at least we willl know where u are commenting from.
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Originally posted by fai:
I find the the idea "do-not-hire-too-many-foreigners" abit hard to implement and enforce especially in the businesses handling intellectuals.
What if a biomedical institute budget can hire 10 scientist per dept. and you have 8 locals, and there are 3 foreign scientists who have good portfolios and you can't fire any locals, and one of the foreign scientist is a potential vaccine superstar.
I present this as a hypothetical, not assumption.
isn't hypothetical and assumption mean roughly the same thing? you cancel out yourself with your closing statement.
btw, there is such a thing as job reassignment. firing is not the only solution. this happens all the time in a business organization.
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Originally posted by redDUST:
isn't hypothetical and assumption mean roughly the same thing? you cancel out yourself with your closing statement.
btw, there is such a thing as job reassignment. firing is not the only solution. this happens all the time in a business organization.
You should read more.
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Assumption
1. something taken for granted; a supposition: a correct assumption.
2. the act of taking for granted or supposing.
3. the act of taking to or upon oneself.
4. the act of taking possession of something: the assumption of power.
5. arrogance; presumption.
6. the taking over of another's debts or obligations.
7. Ecclesiastical.
a. (often initial capital letter) the bodily taking up into heaven of the Virgin Mary.
b. (initial capital letter) a feast commemorating this, celebrated on August 15.Hypothesis
1. a proposition, or set of propositions, set forth as an explanation for the occurrence of some specified group of phenomena, either asserted merely as a provisional conjecture to guide investigation (working hypothesis) or accepted as highly probable in the light of established facts.
2. a proposition assumed as a premise in an argument.
3. the antecedent of a conditional proposition.
4. a mere assumption or guess.They are similar, but not the same.
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Originally posted by fai:
You should read more.
yes, and assume more hypothetical matters like you?
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Originally posted by eagle:
Assumption
1. something taken for granted; a supposition: a correct assumption.
2. the act of taking for granted or supposing.
3. the act of taking to or upon oneself.
4. the act of taking possession of something: the assumption of power.
5. arrogance; presumption.
6. the taking over of another's debts or obligations.
7. Ecclesiastical.
a. (often initial capital letter) the bodily taking up into heaven of the Virgin Mary.
b. (initial capital letter) a feast commemorating this, celebrated on August 15.Hypothesis
1. a proposition, or set of propositions, set forth as an explanation for the occurrence of some specified group of phenomena, either asserted merely as a provisional conjecture to guide investigation (working hypothesis) or accepted as highly probable in the light of established facts.
2. a proposition assumed as a premise in an argument.
3. the antecedent of a conditional proposition.
4. a mere assumption or guess.They are similar, but not the same.
nobody ask you to play referee here and try to mediate.
that chap doesn't seems to know what he is writing, i point out a simple flaw, and he coughs out more nonsense.....
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Originally posted by redDUST:
nobody ask you to play referee here and try to mediate.
that chap doesn't seems to know what he is writing, i point out a simple flaw, and he coughs out more nonsense.....
Stating a mere fact is also considered as playing referee and mediating?
Don't be so sensitive la... Chill... Here, have a cup of ice green tea.
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Originally posted by eagle:
Stating a mere fact is also considered as playing referee and mediating?
Don't be so sensitive la... Chill... Here, have a cup of ice green tea.
u r buying?
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Originally posted by redDUST:
u r buying?
normally I brew with hot water, then use ice. No sugar, plus very cheap. Think around 10 cents per cup including the water and ice.
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redDUST don't trust the dictionary.
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Originally posted by fai:
redDUST don't trust the dictionary.
hypothetical : assumed by hypothesis; supposed
assumption: something taken for granted; a supposition
you are splitting hairs....
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"Hypothetical" and "assumption" are two different words and complement each other all the time as illustrated in the example below. I can provide more examples if you need it.
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Originally posted by fai:
"Hypothetical" and "assumption" are two different words and complement each other all the time as illustrated in the example below. I can provide more examples if you need it.
"I present this as a hypothetical, not assumption" fai
if they are a complement, explain your sentence above. how does it make sense? keep diggin' yourself in....just because you can string these 2 words in a sentence doesn't mean it makes sense.