Originally posted by eagle:I mentioned "inefficiently planned" in inverted commas because I see it from both in yours and TS's shoes.
To me, it is not really that inefficiently planned. You might as well tell me that them hosting up their website for a fee, or having rented an office space, are redundant expenditures, because they could host free websites or simply operate from home. You might even say fumigation is unnecessary because they can simply find and sweep/pick away the bed bugs.
And to me, the volunteers are not considered as the receiving end; they are on the giving side. Contrary to that, it is the old folks who are at the receiving end. Finally, it is not like you are forced to both give and do. One would have to be willing to both give the donation and do the charity work.
I never said it was inefficiently planned. Stop putting words into mouth.
My opinion was that the current payment can be further revised and improved. Seems like you're ever-ready to accuse people who disagree with you.
Since donations are in place, they can also further consider hiring and paying workers at market rate of $5 per hour, instead of expecting free labour.
It should not even be volunteer work at all if the org can afford to hire and pay director/CEO.
Originally posted by cyberr1981:I never said it was inefficiently planned. Stop putting words into mouth.
My opinion was that the current payment can be further revised and improved. Seems like you're ever-ready to accuse people who disagree with you.
Since donations are in place, they can also further consider hiring and paying workers at market rate of $5 per hour, instead of expecting free labour.
It should not even be volunteer work at all if the org can afford to hire and pay director/CEO.
I didn't say you said it. I said I see it in your shoes. Perhaps you could suggest a better phrase for me to use then... Redundant expenditures?
2nd paragraph => now you are putting words into my mouth. I have already told you I agreed with your opinions on the fees that they could be reduced or were unnecessary. Need me to remind you on which sentence a not? And I haven't accuse you of posting anything illogical, simply because you didn't. Btw, you have now made an accusation. Because I disagree with you? Which I didn't
Your idea of hiring workers will incur even greater costs. Who pay?
I have no comments about the last paragraph. But all I can say is all (I dunno any which didn't) such large organisations pay their directors.
Originally posted by eagle:I have no comments about the last paragraph. But all I can say is all (I dunno any which didn't) such large organisations pay their directors.
Why should directors be paid and not the workers who do the actual work?
Originally posted by cyberr1981:Why should directors be paid and not the workers who do the actual work?
Beats me. This point I support you. Not going to defend them on this point.
Maybe they could try making such directors as part-time volunteers, then rotate among a few head organisers. Then it wouldn't be a full time job for them.
Originally posted by cyberr1981:
Then, if you informed them that you're not going to donate anymore, I wonder what "good" blessings they may send you!So, did you strike toto grp 1 or 2 since you started donating??
i don't gamble.
and not everything needs reciprocation. if you are nice only to people who are nice to you in the first place, then i rest my case.
Originally posted by eagle:Beats me. This point I support you. Not going to defend them on this point.
Maybe they could try making such directors as part-time volunteers, then rotate among a few head organisers. Then it wouldn't be a full time job for them.
PWNED ,\/,,
Originally posted by redDUST:i don't gamble.
and not everything needs reciprocation. if you are nice only to people who are nice to you in the first place, then i rest my case.
But if no reciprocations, why did Uncle Ver SG said this?
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Credit to go to heaven/nirvana/paradise lah
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Originally posted by cyberr1981:But if no reciprocations, why did Uncle Ver SG said this?
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Originally posted by Uncle Ver SG:Credit to go to heaven/nirvana/paradise lah
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u need to ask him then. i am not uncle ver sg.
Originally posted by cyberr1981:PWNED ,\/,,
This is not about pwning. This is about, as you yourself have mentioned, dealing with it objectively. You made a valid point and I will agree with you. Are you going back on your words on that?
It seems from this post you have made that you are posting here just to win a debate, and not dealing with it in an objective manner.
Originally posted by cyberr1981:Why should directors be paid and not the workers who do the actual work?
$ aside, you do need paying directors in any organization, even charitable or non-profit. they are the ones who have the leadership skills, vision, the contacts with the higher up, organizational skills that keeps the organization going. the structure will decide how many paying staff is needed, because you need continuity in the organization. executive part-timer doesn't work.
the question then is what is the fair amount.
Originally posted by redDUST:$ aside, you do need paying directors in any organization, even charitable or non-profit. they are the ones who have the leadership skills, vision, the contacts with the higher up, organizational skills that keeps the organization going. the structure will decide how many paying staff is needed, because you need continuity in the organization. executive part-timer doesn't work.
the question then is what is the fair amount.
I hope you don't mean that the work done by volunteer are unimportant. I also hope that you don't mean that non-org skills are trivial that they can be unpaid.
Leaders by themselves are inadequate, the followers who do the actual work are also important, FYI.
Originally posted by cyberr1981:I hope you don't mean that the work done by volunteer are unimportant. I also hope that you don't mean that non-org skills are trivial that they can be unpaid.
Leaders by themselves are inadequate, the followers who do the actual work are also important, FYI.
obviously not. that is a moot point. what good are admirals who can think strategically if he has no men to carry it out on the frontline?
i am addressing the point you made on the directors.
...err.. eskew me ah.. I'd like you all to refer to this Sticky Thread Topic
>>> http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/221214
i think that's alright. if you can spare your time, surely you can spare 20$. there's lunch included as well (:
The money can also be used