Originally posted by HyperFocal:
... what 'statements', what 'lofty ideals'? You asked so I answered.. isn't this a place where everyone airs their opinions as well as ideals?
... and what has my preference in donation has anything to do with how connected YOU are with these organizations? And in what way have I 'condemned' Voluntary work? Which word/s were used to condemn Volunteerism? Or are you just directing attention away from that $20 Fee?
you are absolutely right :)
You definitely have the right to share your own opinions - suggesting that volunteer organisations don't use their funds wisely, that they have loads of money at their disposal - without substantiating all these opinions, because this is a forum.
Sorry it is my fault. I thought you were stating facts - thus, I felt I needed to have more evidence on where your facts lie. Hence my questions.
But if you are stating opinions - then you are entitled to your own.
Originally posted by ShrodingersCat:you are absolutely right :)
You definitely have the right to share your own opinions - suggesting that volunteer organisations don't use their funds wisely, that they have loads of money at their disposal - without substantiating all these opinions, because this is a forum.
Sorry it is my fault. I thought you were stating facts - thus, I felt I needed to have more evidence on where your facts lie. Hence my questions.
But if you are stating opinions - then you are entitled to your own.
... the largest undeniable Fact was the NKF, thereafter, a few other charitable orgs somehow got under bad light as well when checks were conducted across the board...
... so which is why I said I'd rather deliver whatever amount I choose to donate direct, bypassing any middle man methods...
If 3 million people suddenly volunteer, woot you would have made 3mil*20=$60 mil in the good name of charity.
Wow made money + earn recognition at the same time. Why not make it $40 and earn another $60mil more!
Originally posted by HyperFocal:
... the largest undeniable Fact was the NKF, thereafter, a few other charitable orgs somehow got under bad light as well when checks were conducted across the board...
... so which is why I said I'd rather deliver whatever amount I choose to donate direct, bypassing any middle man methods...
sigh so thanks to 3 or 4 (one big fat one)...... a few hundred other organisations kenna slimed too... yes.
but that's human nature too la.. its easier to believe in the media more than finding out for themselves.
it is also easier to make generalisations and compartmentalise by stereostypes because it saves time, makes mental processes speedy and its ... so NEAT! instead of laboriously finding out on a case-by-case basis.
Not blaming you, mind you. Like I said... it's human nature.
Originally posted by FirePig:If 3 million people suddenly volunteer, woot you would have made 3mil*20=$60 mil in the good name of charity.
Wow made money + earn recognition at the same time. Why not make it $40 and earn another $60mil more!
firstly, 3 million people is almost the total number of people staying in Singapore
secondly, looking at the response here, and the amount of time we have to work to survive, it is likely that very little people will turn up
Originally posted by ShrodingersCat:
sigh so thanks to 3 or 4 (one big fat one)...... a few hundred other organisations kenna slimed too... yes.
but that's human nature too la.. its easier to believe in the media more than finding out for themselves.
it is also easier to make generalisations and compartmentalise by stereostypes because it saves time, makes mental processes speedy and its ... so NEAT! instead of laboriously finding out on a case-by-case basis.
Not blaming you, mind you. Like I said... it's human nature.
... well, people are not infallable as is most notable in the recent Mas Selamat fiasco & the recent incredulous Report...
... Human Nature is such that when entrusted with power & money - especially for too long...
We donate the money PAP grabs all the glory. For what purpose.
Originally posted by Uncle Ver SG:We donate the money PAP grabs all the glory. For what purpose.
you tell us?
Opposition should organize charity drives too. Not charity for opposition mind you but real charity drives for the "clean" organizations.
Originally posted by Uncle Ver SG:Opposition should organize charity drives too. Not charity for opposition mind you but real charity drives for the "clean" organizations.
can you answer the first question first? what glory and what purpose?
secondly, what kind of charity they should organise? how frequent? for who? and who deems an organisation clean? you?
"so which is why I said I'd rather deliver whatever amount I choose to donate direct, bypassing any middle man methods"
Well said. I would advocate giving to large multinational charities such as Oxfam and Red Cross for international. For local, I would give to Catholic or Buddhist. Thats just me though. Please dont donate when there is President Day etc so as to add to PAP's propoganda. Donate after and before.
Well, maybe not catholic, but
What is Habitat for Humanity?
Habitat for
Humanity is a non-profit, Christian housing ministry. HFH seeks to
eliminate poverty housing and homelessness from the world, and to make
decent shelter a matter of conscience and action.
I'm outta here.
where the transparent from H4H?
I thought you posted that out in the newspaper?
Are you also able to organise such a monthly event of a similar scale with only $1k? Because that is what they did.
newspaper report not from me
i say again
lunch S$4.00 cannot justify
go talk to Singapore Buddhist Lodge, ask them for 100 packet food,
also T-shirt S$10.00 cannot justify
Originally posted by zaxis:newspaper report not from me
i say again
lunch S$4.00 cannot justify
go talk to Singapore Buddhist Lodge, ask them for 100 packet food,
also T-shirt S$10.00 cannot justify
1) It is not only the lunch box. It is the number of bottles of water, each participant usually will get more than 1 bottle. You think cleaning the house you won't sweat ah. You got do such charity work before a not? As for lunch, as an organiser that wants to attract more volunteers, surely you won't just buy a measly small packet of chicken rice for $2.50 for all the hard work and money they have contributed in serving these old folks.
2) You ask from Singapore Buddhist Lodge, then where they get the money from then? You only think of transferring the problem elsewhere.
3) Have you ever bought low-quality school house or CCA T-shirt, also for $10? At least I knew that was the price 8 years ago. With inflation, GST increase, etc, it is definitely harder to get it for $10 now. Again, as an organiser, would you also buy low quality and uncomfortable clothes for these volunteers (who paid for it)? Doesn't make sense right?
Anyway, what both of us said here still doesn't hold perfectly. The only difference is I listed circumstances due to what I have self-experienced, whereas you raised them purely as a conjecture. However, to know whether HFH will actually give their volunteers lousier stuff (which seems rather unlikely), I guess you will still have to go there to see it yourself. But to whine and complain before doing that is totally childish.
... I feel we should do away with Charity organized projects like these..
... instead, government should come up with an incentive whereby people who contribute in terms of work & funds expended on helping these poor elderlies be awarded rebates in their Income Tax, Medisave top-ups, or even monthly Utility Bills....
... I think this form of incentive in return for Volunteerism is more appealing...
Originally posted by HyperFocal:
... I feel we should do away with Charity organized projects like these..
... instead, government should come up with an incentive whereby people who contribute in terms of work & funds expended on helping these poor elderlies be awarded rebates in their Income Tax, Medisave top-ups, or even monthly Utility Bills....
... I think this form of incentive in return for Volunteerism is more appealing...
without these organisations, how would you know which elderly need help with their living environment? How would you know what sufferings/problems these old elderly and needy have? Your suggestions are only directed to contributers/donors, easing the burden of taking care of the society.
surely you can argue, do away with charity organize projects like these but not all. but it makes no difference as long as it is concerned, charities do raise funds and 20 bucks is part of it. With such efficient suggestion, the elderly and needy will be more neglected in terms of their emotional well-being. Because all you do will be bring in more money for them, they have money can solve their problems, so won't need so much help from you this kind of person right?
Don't think about having a regular Volunteer organisation, because not everyone has the time to be a regular volunteer due to individual commitments. And for those who thinks of just contributing money and fold arms stand one side, stop arguing about Volunteering/Charity Organisations because you merely make the donation seem like a form of paying of bills, expenses.
anyway, when such incentive is official, it makes volunteering sounds like a joke since you still wants an incentive. Look up volunteerism definition, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volunteerism , Willingness of the people to work on behalf of others without any expectation of pay or other tangible gain. Everything you do in life must be justified with some form of gain is it?
social entreprenuership....is the evolution that is derived from volunteer/donation organization. it is an accepted entity globally but in singapore, unfortunately is `blackened' and abused by TTdurai.
today, nothing is as black and white anymore. some will work for nothing, others', something.
Originally posted by cuddles:without these organisations, how would you know which elderly need help with their living environment? How would you know what sufferings/problems these old elderly and needy have? Your suggestions are only directed to contributers/donors, easing the burden of taking care of the society.
surely you can argue, do away with charity organize projects like these but not all. but it makes no difference as long as it is concerned, charities do raise funds and 20 bucks is part of it. With such efficient suggestion, the elderly and needy will be more neglected in terms of their emotional well-being. Because all you do will be bring in more money for them, they have money can solve their problems, so won't need so much help from you this kind of person right?
Don't think about having a regular Volunteer organisation, because not everyone has the time to be a regular volunteer due to individual commitments. And for those who thinks of just contributing money and fold arms stand one side, stop arguing about Volunteering/Charity Organisations because you merely make the donation seem like a form of paying of bills, expenses.
anyway, when such incentive is official, it makes volunteering sounds like a joke since you still wants an incentive. Look up volunteerism definition, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volunteerism , Willingness of the people to work on behalf of others without any expectation of pay or other tangible gain. Everything you do in life must be justified with some form of gain is it?
... Charity orgs needs to cover costs to run as well, so does Volunteers who requires their basic meal/s, water, etc. Any other way, still there is that factor of cost, so I don't see why the idea of Governmental Incentives in terms of Rebates be tied to any kind of monetary gains... it's just a form of saving on living costs, and on the part of public to Self-Help as our government is so fond of instilling...
... however you look at it, Singaporeans are incentive-driven, living in Singapore is fast becoming as high as in Japan...
... as for where these Needies, Poor Elderlies, and the likes are located, this is easily mapped out as the government has all the records since they are still collecting Rent from them... and in future, that Annuity Scam.. I mean Scheme...
Originally posted by HyperFocal:
... Charity orgs needs to cover costs to run as well, so does Volunteers who requires their basic meal/s, water, etc. Any other way, still there is that factor of cost, so I don't see why the idea of Governmental Incentives in terms of Rebates be tied to any kind of monetary gains... it's just a form of saving on living costs, and on the part of public to Self-Help as our government is so fond of instilling...
... however you look at it, Singaporeans are incentive-driven, living in Singapore is fast becoming as high as in Japan...
... as for where these Needies, Poor Elderlies, and the likes are located, this is easily mapped out as the government has all the records since they are still collecting Rent from them... and in future, that Annuity Scam.. I mean Scheme...
Because singaporeans lost their community spirit and virtues along the way! And with people same mindset as you, thats why everything freaking thing in life must come with some incentive before you do it! What about forgetting about that incentive, instead let the Elderly live without rent, that is if the incentive is worth enough for the flat rent?
now, as long as money in involved, you will come up with another being not transparent here and there issue. Don't talk about Volunteers need to eat or what, have you never heard before, to help others you have to help yourself first? SO only if you have EXTRAs to spare, maybe you can help. with EXTRAs, you won't jeopardise your own life at all! instead of eating KFC for 2 days in a month, change to a pack of chicken rice for those two days and you'll have 10 bucks for Charity already.
without asking singapore buddhist lodge for 100 packet lunch, how you know the serving is not as good as S$2.50 chicken rice.
this I can assure you, the packet lunch although is vege food, it healthy. the choice is at least 6 course selection.
although Singapore buddhist lodge do not allow self packing of food, but if you approach Mr. Lee bock guan, unlikely your request will be turn down.
with draw H4H IPC status
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Originally posted by zaxis:without asking singapore buddhist lodge for 100 packet lunch, how you know the serving is not as good as S$2.50 chicken rice.
this I can assure you, the packet lunch although is vege food, it healthy. the choice is at least 6 course selection.
although Singapore buddhist lodge do not allow self packing of food, but if you approach Mr. Lee bock guan, unlikely your request will be turn down.
with draw H4H IPC status
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The objects of the IPC must be charitable in nature and its activities and operations must be carried out on a non-profit-making basis. Activities considered charitable are:
- Advancement of education
- Relief of poverty and distress
- Other charitable purposes which help and benefit the community
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- registered as a company limited by guarantee; or
- registered as a society; or
- established by statute,
- and therefore subject to regulation as a company or society or statutory establishment.
Or the IPC may be a fund set up for defined charitable purposes, in which case the fund must come under the purview of a company, society or statutory establishment.
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The charitable activities must benefit the Singapore community unless otherwise approved by the Minister for Finance.
6. The IPC must be administered by a group of independent trustees i.e. there must be independent control. 7.
The selection of auditors must have the prior approval of the CIT (IRAS office) using these forms, whichever applicable:
- IPC Auditor Declaration Form
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8. The organisation should submit its audited financial statements and annual returns of donations to the CIT (IRAS office) within the stipulated time without fail. 9.
Any alteration or amendment to the Memorandum of Association or its equivalent has to be cleared with the CIT (IRAS office).
10. Basic information on the activities and financial standing of the IPC shall be made conveniently accessible to the public by posting them, in the prescribed format, on the Internet. 11. The conferment of IPC status shall be subject to review every five years. Activities and funding levels will be monitored to see if the IPC status should be renewed. 12. The IPC is required, upon dissolution, to distribute any remaining funds to other approved institutions of a public character.
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what's your point in pasting that IPC status TNC? Don't copy paste things and expect it to do the talking.
without asking singapore buddhist lodge for 100 packet lunch, how you know the serving is not as good as S$2.50 chicken rice.
this I can assure you, the packet lunch although is vege food, it healthy. the choice is at least 6 course selection.
although Singapore buddhist lodge do not allow self packing of food, but if you approach Mr. Lee bock guan, unlikely your request will be turn down.
Again, it seems you do not understand what was said. Nowhere did I mention that the serving would not be as good as S$2.50 chicken rice. No need to put words into other's mouth you know?
I'm charging you that
2) You ask from Singapore Buddhist Lodge, then where they get the money from then? You only think of transferring the problem elsewhere.
You could only simply suggest a transfer of the monetary responsibility from one organisation to another. In this thread, not only have you pushed blames; you are now pushing responsibilities. Well done!