Gather round and demand justice!
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Everybody, put your money where your mouth is, demand for WKS's resignation.
http://www.PetitionOnline.com/s16910/petition.html
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LHL's remark runs tangent to his commitment to a government that is accountable. he obviously has 2 sets of standards. WKS may be a nice guy who means well, and no doubt he works hard too; but it doesn't absolve him from his incompetency. MHA is under his jurisdiction. for the buck to stop at a level way below him, i.e. they even `buffer' the fault, is laughable. can we take them seriously　ｈｅｎｃｅｆ�ｒｔｈ?
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cant blame LHL for supporting WKS on this.
If LHL asked for WKS to step down, it means if LHL make any mistake, he also have to step down.
wake up singapore, your leaders would watch over their own and each other ass first before helping its citizens (opposition party included)
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Everybody knows there are 2 sets of standards in Singapore.
Haiz.
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Resign also can't find MSK what....
At least he's can KS mah...
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lol.. PM said that if a company CEO keep changing, the company cannot prosper. at least he should take a pay cut
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good for nothing lhl and PAP excellent in covering asses for kah kee nang.
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... I'm not taken into this debate on whether WKS resigns or not...
... because I believe the real skeleton is that MSK is probably dead long before the break out fiasco..
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Media Release: Mr Wong Kan Seng, resign
Singapore Democrats
The SDP has hitherto refrained from calling for Mr Wong Kan Seng's resignation in the wake of the Mas Selamat fiasco even though a strong case could be made for it. We were waiting to see if Mr Wong showed any contrition for the debacle.
But the Minister has ducked, parried and done everything except assume responsibility for what happened. With the release of the Committee of Inquiry (COI) report and his utterances in Parliament, calling for Mr Wong's resignation is now imperative.
We present the SDP's case against the Minister and his top officers:With the partial revelation of the security arrangements at the Whitley Road Detention Centre (WRDC), it is clear that there was systemic failure within the operational structure of the facility. It was not just missteps on the part of lower-ranking police officers but rather wholesale negligence at the most senior levels.
If the COI report is to be believed, the junior officers should not be the only ones to bear responsibility of Mr Mas Selamat's alleged escape.
For example, security fixtures such as the installation of window grilles is the responsibility of administrative planners, not Gurhka officers or Special Duty Operatives.
Likewise, the effective and fail-safe operation of the CCTV system is beyond the control of officers charged with the day-to-day guarding of the detainees.
Similarly, the guards cannot be responsible for the "cement ledge" that enabled Mr Selamat to climb out of the toilet or for the positioning of the so-called "weak perimeter fence."
Such physical structures can only be put in place by planners and administrators of the Centre. Who in the Singapore Police Force is responsible for the installation, design or construction of the WRDC's features?
The Director of the Internal Security Department and his superior the Commissioner of Police, of course. They, and not just those handling Mr Selamat, must be held accountable. There is no wriggle room here: Commissioner Koh Boon Hui and his ISD chief are culpable of the security meltdown. Their resignation is a must.
What about their political boss, Minister Wong Kan Seng? It may be argued that Mr Wong cannot be in charge of the minutiae of the running of the WRDC. It must be pointed out, however, that the "security lapses", to use Mr Wong's words, were not fleeting moments of distraction. The structural weaknesses within the ISD Centre were yawning holes waiting to be exploited.
For instance, how can the Minister-in-charge of prison security not tell his subordinates what must be the ABCs of prison security: Secure all windows and doors so that prisoners cannot run, walk, or crawl out through them to escape.
And didn't he give a directive that surveillance cameras had to be working 24/7? He wouldn't allow the CCTV cameras outside his own residence to be left unmonitored or the security personnel not guarding his home for any period of time, would he?
But this is not the end of Mr Wong's culpability. His personal handling of the saga right from the get-go had incompetence written all over.
It took 49 seconds for Mr Selamat to escape, 11 minutes for the prison staff to realise this, but a whole four hours for Mr Wong to sound the alert to the public.
It took another week before his Ministry told people what the escapee was wearing. Then Mr Selamat was walking with a "distinct limp", then that the limp was obvious only when he ran. Again this came only days after the escape during which time the prisoner could have already made his way to the North Pole.
One would have thought that within minutes after he was alerted of the escape, Mr Wong would have gathered his top security officials, collate data of the situation giving priority to the description of Mr Selamat and his possible whereabouts, and disseminate them to the public. This could all have been done within the first hour of the breakout.
But instead of acknowledging his own misjudgments and making a genuine effort to get to the bottom of the mess, the Minister cocks a snook at the public by appointing, or at least agreeing to the appointment of, his subordinate Deputy Secretary Dr Choong May Ling and former subordinate and police commissioner Mr Tee Tua Bah to sit on the three-member COI.
Has the Minister no self-respect to at least insist that the COI be not only independent of his influence but also seen to be so?
As a result the COI report, or the little that has been revealed, has been lampooned and ripped to shreds for its contradictory, incomplete and poorly explained findings. It raises more questions than answers.
The last straw for the Singapore Democrats is Mr Wong casting blame on the junior officers while not-so-subtlely exonerating himself. Mr Wong announced that junior officers "all the way up" to the supervisory and management levels of the WRDC will be disciplined and penalised.
He unabashedly avoids mentioning his own role in the episode. This is the hallmark of a man without honour and pride in his work and his responsibilities. When things go wrong leaders – true leaders – step up and take responsibility.
They don't make fall guys of their subordinates to save their own skins.
In truth Mr Wong's reputation is in tatters. He has demonstrated beyond doubt that he is unfit to continue with his job.
Mr Wong Kan Seng, the SDP calls on you to stop passing the blame. Enough is enough. It is not the officers, it is not the window, it is not the toilet. It is you. Now do the right and decent thing: Resign.
Chee Soon Juan
Secretary-General
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Originally posted by HyperFocal:
... I'm not taken into this debate on whether WKS resigns or not...
... because I believe the real skeleton is that MSK is probably dead long before the break out fiasco..
We should bear this in mind, till evidence suggest otherwise...
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If MKS is dead, his buddies will start targetting Singaporeans. If he is not, he will be plotting against Westerners (+ collateral damage Singaporeans) in Singapore.
Take your pick.
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Originally posted by Uncle Ver SG:
If MKS is dead, his buddies will start targetting Singaporeans. If he is not, he will be plotting against Westerners (+ collateral damage Singaporeans) in Singapore.
Take your pick.
... which is why, I think this 'Escape Wayang' is of utmost importance for WKS to carry through...... if they know he was killed, Singaporeans out there in the world will become immediate reprisal targets...
... endless One head for One Head...
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Originally posted by HyperFocal:
... I'm not taken into this debate on whether WKS resigns or not...
... because I believe the real skeleton is that MSK is probably dead long before the break out fiasco..
I agree with you that MSK most likely did died at the hands of ISD in the detention center but WKS should still step down for allowing his minions to kill an unconvicted suspect while in their custody -
"if they know he was killed,"
Death maybe not killed, can be suicide. But if he is dead, can cover up to be suicide what. But please, the terrorists are not stupid. If they have no contact with MKS, they wont assume that he is hiding in some spider hole in Singapore like Saddam, they will assume that hes dead.
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Lets hope MSK is alive and his next plot will be as harebrained as trying to hijack a plane IN Changi Airport.
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Originally posted by Uncle Ver SG:
Lets hope MSK is alive and his next plot will be as harebrained as trying to hijack a plane IN Changi Airport.
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Originally posted by HyperFocal:
... doing that, WILL ensure his IMMEDIATE DEMISE...
The govt said in a press release over the escape of the terrorist that people should think of the contribution of ISD in tackling terrorism n not just be not happy over one incident. Furthermore, many counter terrosi agencyimpressed with the performance of ISD n want to learn from them.
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It does matter whether if he is live, dead, captured etc. These people have no conscience, no fear and no humanity. To them, the only objective is a world of chaos. They cannot be reason with and cannot be bought. Do you think if they were willing to commit suicide in order to achieve an objective, they would bother with whether or not MSK is dead or alive? If anything, MSK's escape demonstrates weakness, weakness which will be exploited . The resignation of WKS, only proves that the government is willing to work with us, and for us; for that, WKS MUST resign.
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ISD in tackling terrorism n not just be not happy over one incident.
Issue is whether Wong Keng Seng should resign.
ISD not the issue.
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Originally posted by will4:
The govt said in a press release over the escape of the terrorist that people should think of the contribution of ISD in tackling terrorism n not just be not happy over one incident. Furthermore, many counter terrosi agencyimpressed with the performance of ISD n want to learn from them.
... of course the press will release positive reports, the press belongs to them what...
... but lets put it in perspective; once you'be touched sh|t, no matter how much you wash your hands, the smell is there...
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"These people have no conscience, no fear and no humanity. To them, the only objective is a world of chaos. "
Not true, ISLAMIC terrorists do have a political objective which is to make the world convert to Islam by the sword, primarily targetting USA and its allies (or satellite states).
"Do you think if they were willing to commit suicide in order to achieve an objective, they would bother with whether or not MSK is dead or alive"
Yes they do. If Osama Bin Laden is captured tommorrow, I believe al Qaeda worldwide will be severely weakened and they will have trouble recruiting more members. To take your arguement further, whether WKS resigns or not already demonstrated that Singapore IS weak. His resignation is simply to remove the incompetent person who created this problem in the first place so as not to commit further blunders and hopefully install someone who can do the job.
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"Furthermore, many counter terrosi agency impressed with the performance of ISD n want to learn from them."
Please TELL us WHICH third world country counter terrorism agency impressed leh. I doubt even the CIA will come forward and say "Good job so far except for this mistake". Of course those countries impressed with ISD need guidance how to silence their own opposition as well..
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Originally posted by HyperFocal:
... of course the press will release positive reports, the press belongs to them what...
... but lets put it in perspective; once you'be touched sh|t, no matter how much you wash your hands, the smell is there...
What is strange is intelligence agency mentioned the terrorist is still in this country but he never kena caught despite the fact it is a small country.
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Originally posted by will4:
What is strange is intelligence agency mentioned the terrorist is still in this country but he never kena caught despite the fact it is a small country.
... strange? No it's not strange, because the man is dead...... that's why can never find him...