Can we have the truth on SpiderMAS pls?
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Looking at this international piece on "spider"-Mas's escape, i can't help but sense a bit of bewilderment and bemusement on the journalists' part even though it was nicely factual and balanced. A.K.A no clear desperate attempts to defend the system and agencies involved, like what we see on lcoal media.
http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSN2143332720080421?pageNumber=1&virtualBrandChannel=0
Like what MP Mr Low says, many of us still have a sore sticking point with our high civil service pay. And he has a point that assessment of performance should reflect the corporate world. It has always been made a point that each minister is like a CEO anyway. I have seen ppl being fired for less over the years. 2007, Jap's defence Minister made a sensitive comment that the Atomic bomb served to them was justified, and its sayonara to him. Just this month, UBS's chairman Mr Marcel Ospel, resigned after years of distinguised service, taking responsibility for his company's poor performance this year. Anyway....the list goes on. The point here Mr PM, is not whether ppl earned enough credits in the past to justify the most current gross mistake/negligence/judgement error. The point is accountability. And also just to give an analogy, Mr Ospel that i mentioned above, he did not fire all the bank tellers and focus the blame on them did he? He took responsibility. When u are a leader, thats what you do. If you want to have a bigger pie when things are going well, u need to eat the shit too when it hits the fan you know. Or maybe....this issue is not really serious? SpiderMas is only the leader of a regional terrorist network that can possibly kill ...oh only a few thousand innocent ppl. Baaaahhh....
I am for Killing the chicken to scare the monkey, for the rest of the Civil service to know that S'poreans can afford to pay for a solid civil service but they better be worth it, and assessement is like the private sector which you are benchmarked against anyway (i.e not sentimental, and you are only as good as your last mistake). By the way, it would be a politically wise move to appear strong and decisive here Mr PM. We don't want what we see happening over the causeway to happen here do we?(public opinion here is that Mr AB is indecisive, soft and weak)
AND 1 LAST THING!!! Its speculative that SpiderMas jumped over the double layered barb wired fence right? 2m gap, V-shaped barb wire obstacle on top, and he can't have much of a running start before jumping i suppose ? Anyway, since the CCTV watching that spot wasn't working....lets just assume he escaped that way first lah. You mentioned a simulation for that 49sec escape...can we see it? And i assume you got a 47yr old limping short fart to try it?
Com'on we just want to know the truth. Don't think that the current generation can't think.
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they already tell u liao.
u wan dem to tell you dat actually is they let him go one den u happy is it?
wah lao, i dun understand leh.
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Incredible story or otherwise, let's move on.
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Originally posted by hiphop2009:
they already tell u liao.
u wan dem to tell you dat actually is they let him go one den u happy is it?
wah lao, i dun understand leh.
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Originally posted by HyperFocal:
... they told us NOTHING...
NOTHING? u sure or not.at least i read the newspaper.
At least they accepted the full responsibility.
dun tell me they draw high pay and things like dat still can happen and take chance to push the blame to them.
I believe some officers will get the axe.
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My friend. You don't take full responsibility by giving a half assed scenario/explanation of the story.
You believe in 49 secs, he climbed out of toilet, run to edge of prison. Climb upslope, heaved himself up the platform. Then do a standing broadjump and cleared the 2 m gap(with barb wires)......and of cos, CCTV camera somehow not on.
I believe WE deserve an explanation. I am not convinced that this is how he escaped. They said they did a simulation, i want to see it.
Its ok to tell us truthfully whats wrong and quite another to cover up what really happened. I am pissed like many people because the govt assumed WE are stupid and naive and will accept any excuse they give.
THINK.....it will set u free.
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Originally posted by HyperFocal:
... they told us NOTHING...
That's right... telling us the story that they had is like telling us nothing at all... -
they should have such an obstacle course for Sg "commandos". If they can perform that, I have much more confidence in the Sg Wayang army.
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Originally posted by swang107:
My friend. You don't take full responsibility by giving a half assed scenario/explanation of the story.
You believe in 49 secs, he climbed out of toilet, run to edge of prison. Climb upslope, heaved himself up the platform. Then do a standing broadjump and cleared the 2 m gap(with barb wires)......and of cos, CCTV camera somehow not on.
I believe WE deserve an explanation. I am not convinced that this is how he escaped. They said they did a simulation, i want to see it.
Its ok to tell us truthfully whats wrong and quite another to cover up what really happened. I am pissed like many people because the govt assumed WE are stupid and naive and will accept any excuse they give.
THINK.....it will set u free.
Did they say he did everything in 49s? I thought mas selamat has 11mins? There's no cctv. NOt the cctv is not on. -
Apparently a simulation showed that the whole escape from toilet to outer fence could be done in 49 secs.(and why they got a fit gurkha to simulate a 47yr old limping short fart....i do not know)
The CCTV were under servicing and not turned on.
http://www.straitstimes.com/Latest%2BNews/Singapore/STIStory_229572.html#
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WKS should be doing the simulation himself. He is short enough and his age compensates for the limp.
I am surprised that Talking Cock does not do an animation morphing the acronyms WKS into MSK as well as their faces, following the Superman/Clark Kent thing (they never appear together simultaneously).
"There's no cctv. NOt the cctv is not on."
Which is worse in your opinion?
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hippo must be one of the garment pp, thats why so supportive of them..lol
anyway, jokes aside. Seriously, i dont think pushing the blame to WKS will solve any issue, even though in the rpt, so much was said, yet nothing was said. Of course he should take responsible for this saga, but whether to resign or not, should not be up to us to decide. If a man makes a mistake and stood up, i am sure we will all be applauding for the action. But i dont think he mentioned anything abt him taking responsibility right? (correct me if i m wrong) Rather, those other officers will kana badly.
In short, i dont care who is going for the axe. But rather, i hope the ISA step up their act, while the home affairs team will prevent anything happening to our country/citizens in case if Mas decided for some revenge. Capture him asap is the best solution to all this.
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This is a lesson to the govt. Singaporeans will not forgive them easily for such a lapse. Detainees like Mas should have plastic explosives taped to their ankles and wired to go off once they are out of the perimeter of the detention centre. Might be a little messy picking the bits and pieces after that but you won't need to mobilize the army just to find him.
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Originally posted by oxford mushroom:
This is a lesson to the govt. Singaporeans will not forgive them easily for such a lapse. Detainees like Mas should have plastic explosives taped to their ankles and wired to go off once they are out of the perimeter of the detention centre. Might be a little messy picking the bits and pieces after that but you won't need to mobilize the army just to find him.
It is not that Singaporeans cannot be forgiving - as Singaporeans have been generous even to JBJ despite his many years of getting into trouble with the POWER of ONE - by constantly putting his foot into his mouth most of the time.Yet, JBJ has endeared himself despite his political failures, simply because of his own good natured sincerity, and never believing himself to be infallibly superior.
Unfortunately, the opposite is true in the POWER of ONE - who beleive himself / themselves as infallible supreme talents, promoting himself / themselves as the ''crème de la crème'' from a society that only he / they claimed is already limited in talent.
It hurts the ears to listen to LHL excusing his own breed by comparing his own to ''ordinary people can make mistake''.
The longer ''SpiderMAS'' stay out-of-sight - {whether he actually escaped, or the escape is a good cover for losing his dead body} - it will make this bunch of self-glorified super talents look stupid.
''SpiderMAS'' typify the low income, low educated, problematic ethnic Malay Singaporean kid grown into adulthood.
For him to be able to beat a ''super security system'' put in place by Super Talented Goons - he will surely soon become a legendary folklore amongst his own; and possibly even win the respect of those who fell out with the Law - irregardless of ethnicity.
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Eh MSK is older than the Republic of Singapore ok? And ordinary criminals dont get sent to Whitney Detention Centre - but I think they wish they were now.
I wish I can get rid of the highly paid, highly educated problematic ethnic Chinese "leaders".
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How come the toilet has no window grill? How come there's no electricity on the barb wire that implemented in the army camp has it. (the electrocuted sign?). How come there's no guards outside the building?
the red dot is no more a secure place already.
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Originally posted by oxford mushroom:
This is a lesson to the govt. Singaporeans will not forgive them easily for such a lapse. Detainees like Mas should have plastic explosives taped to their ankles and wired to go off once they are out of the perimeter of the detention centre. Might be a little messy picking the bits and pieces after that but you won't need to mobilize the army just to find him.
good to hear you talk sense. In the first place, mas selamat should not be allowed to use the visitors' toilet. -
pretty sad case
i thought those guards are highly trained?
i mean if they are pay so well
but cant even take care of one limpe
how much to expect from Ns soldiers?
expect to fight in war like rambo?
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Maybe he did an inverted somersault and half twist in the mid air without bending the barbwires and flipped over the fence and the wall?
this guy know Kungfu shyt?
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In this country, sh!t will only roll downhill... Regardless of whether it hits the fan or not.
And of course, our 'holy men-in-white', the infallible elites, will never take any blame or responsibilities, despite being paid(too much) to do so.
"It's the fault of the damn peasants !"
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Originally posted by Sagara:
In this country, sh!t will only roll downhill... Regardless of whether it hits the fan or not.
haha ya man. When things go wrong, blame everyone else except those in charge. -
Actually i quite agree that the leaders need to hold their power so that they can really rule those shyt that takes public servants pay and perform SOP blindly to the book.
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Originally posted by swang107:
And i assume you got a 47yr old limping short fart to try it?
Originally posted by swang107:simulate a 47yr old limping short fart....i do not know)
I sure would like us see U with ur 6-packs...else the short fart comment would be unwarranted. -
woah releax selamat. don't let other ppl's comment on you affect u k?
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This is a lesson to the govt. Singaporeans will not forgive them easily for such a lapse.
good to see that you can be fair minded as well and not be a running dog of PAP regime.
Good job oxford mushroom.
You have finally awakened from your deep slumber imposed by the PAP regime.
Your eyes have been opened for the first time.