Originally posted by googoomuck:WHy compare with Zimbabwe? How about Finland, with a 'mediocre' govt?
As though the citizens of Singapore did not contribute to the 'success' of Singapore, only pap and pap alone?!
With Singapore's ministers earning many millions, their performances are rather poor.
Oh really? In what way is their performance poor?
Why Zimbabwe? Because this is a perfect example of price-tweaking in epic proportions.
Originally posted by 16/f/lonely:
Oh really? In what way is their performance poor?Why Zimbabwe? Because this is a perfect example of price-tweaking in epic proportions.
Why Zimbabawe and not Finland or Sweden? So that it makes Singapore look like it's a great success?
Poor performance because they will not consider transferring their income to increase the number of citizens out of poverty. It's never in their books or perhaps they will only pay lip service to it when election is near.
Originally posted by googoomuck:Why Zimbabawe and not Finland or Sweden? So that it makes Singapore look like it's a great success?
Poor performance because they will not consider transferring their income to increase the number of citizens out of poverty. It's never in their books or perhaps they will only pay lip service to it when election is near.
You see it from the opposite spectrum. I choose the other extreme to illustrate the dangers if our govt had really done what some here claim.
And yes, if that is what you talking, with regards to performance, I agree. Couldn't believe the justification given for that. However that does not fall under performance. If we look purely at performance, I would say it's fine so far.
Originally posted by 16/f/lonely:You see it from the opposite spectrum. I choose the other extreme to illustrate the dangers if our govt had really done what some here claim.
And yes, if that is what you talking, with regards to performance, I agree. Couldn't believe the justification given for that. However that does not fall under performance. If we look purely at performance, I would say it's fine so far.
The key concerns are :
1. TRANSPARENCY.
2. ACCOUNTABILITY.
Most people are not against FTs in general. REAL FTs. The definition of FT has to be understood. Many are innocent and naive about FT definition. They accept that a 2.5k is a talent.
A real talent is someone who is a world champion, potential to be world champions or scientists with proven track record.
The NEED for a FT is when locals really do not have such talents. How many of these several hundreds of thousands of FTs here are here because locals are incapable of doing what they do? Or are they here to make MNCs happy? lower cost higher profits? Are 1st worlds all like this?
A FT who comes here to lower your salary is not good for you. at least this is so to me. This means the FT does what you do. Same standard. just cheaper by a bit. We no choice need to pay for expensive HDB and MEDICALs and GST and many more things to come. They go back, live like a millionaire.
Originally posted by googoomuck:Poverty should be like safety standards at work , aim for zero occurance, the ultimate goal is to eradicate poverty!
Do you find that a small percentage of poverty is accepable in a 'successful' country with a small population, like Singapore?
So, what kind of mind to do you have? Think for yourself only? A small number of poverty is consider a pap success?
are you joking?? for how long has eradication of poverty a major aim of the world's government?? and pray tell me how many governments have achieved it?? and even if they did, how long have they sustained it?? All the great leaders over the years and none has been really capable at eradicating poverty....you might as as well try to control the weather, it might be easier...
The really truly achieveable method is through adoption of the communist ideology, and by it i mean the true communist ideology and not the adulterated Chinese communist ideology. However, i think even you wouldn't want to stay in such a country....
Originally posted by googoomuck:Poverty should be like safety standards at work , aim for zero occurance, the ultimate goal is to eradicate poverty!
Do you find that a small percentage of poverty is accepable in a 'successful' country with a small population, like Singapore?
So, what kind of mind to do you have? Think for yourself only? A small number of poverty is consider a pap success?
Thank you!
You confirm what I say on this topic:
Running a country is the same as running a company. In Singapore, we are all workers in this company and the company is a family business and only relatives and friends are in management position.
This company is making money and at times lower operation cost by cutting our salaries for no reasons. Yes, we keep our job, but we are always oppressed in this company and will never achieve anything. Instead of being human, let's call ourselves a part of the automation system. Cannot make noise, only can work and be controlled. The company even want to deny our pension fund by increasing the retiring age. Welcome to Lee private limited.
Like all family business around the world, it is destined to fail and the owner is creating his own family rivalry. He should have knew it before.
Originally posted by annoy-you-must:Singaporeans may lack much freedom under the authoritative and over protective control of the nanny government. But one cannot deny the fact that Singapore is indeed thriving relatively well compared to many other countries. At the very least, most of us need not worry about our meals, shelter and security due to aggressive nations.
Of course, I would not be as bold as to suggest that all Singaporeans are well-fed and have a comfortable shelter over their head. But please, if you can, name me a country where there are absolutely zero poverty rates.
Granted, the government is very wrong to restrict our freedom of speech. That, I give it to you.
But other than that, the forumers here seemingly expect our government to be perfect through their constant complaining of various implemented policies (weather failed or otherwise) without providing alternative solutions to the problem, blaming our governments for every negative phenomenon that happened to our country (ridiculously including the rising trend of students choosing poly over JC...wth?!).
Perhaps once in a while we should remind ourselves that in many many other countries, the citizens who are not really citizens don't even have proper clothing to wear, proper shelter, health care, food and even clean water. Why has not a single soul here complained against their government for utterly failing their people?
Some had even diverted from discussing real issues at hand and resorted to various name-callings (we-can't-sing...very funny, haha), or even throwing various accusations at the government without giving proper evidence. (Perhaps our government is corrupted, perhaps they are not. Perhaps our government is as authoritative as those from Myanmar and N.Korea, perhaps they are not. Is there any concrete arguments and proper evidence at all?)
The thread that ask for the death of LKY could even last for up to a year, as if LKY had not done a single good for the country in the last 40 years other than suppressing his people and pocketing their money. While the undeniable fact remains that his contribution to our nation remains significantly large, many chose to zoom in on his faults and encouraged the spread of irrational hatred.
Once again, name me a perfect government, or at least one that has never ever try to suppress their people and their ideas in the slightest of manner.
If we sincerely want the political scene in Singapore to improve, then the least we can do is to cease and go beyond such childish and unconstructive complains of the government, but instead be more proactive in engaging in intelligent debate or providing alternative solutions.
Lastly, please note that I'm not pro-PAP in any way at all, nor seeking any arguments, but just stating a simple observation. For that, I shall not reply to anyone in this thread.
*Getting ready to wear my flame-proof suit*
did PAP pay u to say these?
thats means u very happy that everything is getting expensive
transport fee is hiking
u muz b a very rich guy
too much money to spend
dunno wat people who r juz average think
Personally I will give the credit to the forefathers of Singapore and the first generation of PAP, they are the one that built the modern Singapore. Despite the ‘iron fist’ methods used, but it worked and for the betterment of the country and its people
But the present generation, I am personally very doubtful of their ability and capability. True there are no perfect government. And it would be subjective rather then objective to benchmark the performance of the present leaders. However, PAP supporters please assist me to understand some of the touchiest issues
Policymakers increase their pay to millions while increase the load on ordinarily Singaporean (hold the pay and used the money to help, invest, etc etc…)
Instead policymakers are asking the people to prepare for more pain…. Where are the logics or ethics