WAR???
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CryÂ…. Ofcoz if we gonna loss our loved oneÂ’s we will cryÂ…. BUTÂ… sometime really bo bian!! (no choice!!)Originally posted by putey:Seeing all the hate messages and war mongering efforts by all these people (SIngaporeans, Malaysians...whatever more), i think its really time for a war to ease the fire within these young and new generation.
Let all feel the pain of losing their beloved, let the living feel the terror of destruction.....Is this what everyone wants? Well, it won't be long before this happens if the so called 'intelligent' beings (humans) keeps tearing apart each other.
I really wonder, will all these people cry when they lose their loved ones in the event of a real war.......
If we cant protect things that belong to usÂ….. sooner or laterÂ… we will have nothing left behind!
Today, some monkey come and take some things from your house, if you donÂ’t stop himÂ… that monkey will come again and start taking other things which belong to youÂ…. SoÂ… to stop all theseÂ… at the very beginning when you sense that monkey is comingÂ…. You better get urself ready and whack that monkey hard!! -
Originally posted by Prodigy:
Used to be regular NCO for 1 contract term. I'm not a ranger but hear that they were selected based on their physic, initiative and intelligence. Their ability to take instructions without question and do it "all the way".
[b]how do rangers get picked?
they are chosen (best of the best) or they sign up one?[/b]
The training is a few steps to near death experience passing rate is probably 25%.
On the comment of "I think we (the citizens of Singapore) should show that we are united behind the Government of Singapore on their stand. We should show our protest by STOP visiting Malaysia, STOP importing their produce, STOP all forms of investment in Malaysia etc. (I believe the Singapore Government cannot and will not make such request on their citizens as it will be seen as a provoking act leading to war.) by NDU
I think it is not possible as we are dependent on their fresh products. The source can be gotten from the AVA on checks conducts on fresh product imports. We are also quite dependent on their skilled labour. Most Malaysian chinese cross over here everyday to work in the production lines and construction site. These jobs will be left blank and everything will come to a standstill. Business operator willpull out and we will suffer unless we want to take up these less disirable jobs in Singapore context. I used to work in a production line during school holiday, it quite monotonous.
On one hand, we want to boycott north products, on the other hand, we need to have fresh and cheap daily necessity to substain our needs, so it doesn't works this way. We all product are import from other country, we will pay a premium price over it. In an event of war, our Navy also had to protect these merchant ships as well. Our resources will be stretch. I use to patronise JB Giant once a fortnight in 1996 for a year. After these incidence, I cut down on my trips and totally none in 2002. Lately, I have visited JB again and I notice that the situation is quite the same. It shows that our people are not at all bothered by the current issues or have to choise but to continue to do their business over there. Thus we are still independent as neighbors. Boycott of M products and War is definately not the answer unless we are push to a corner. -
And how many corners , may I ask, does this Island state left toOriginally posted by Quad:Boycott of M products and War is definately not the answer unless we are push to a corner.
stand on ? Pedra Branca maybe a piece of rock, but this rock
is one of the critical zone which helps maintain Singapore's
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Have they landed on PB. If yes, are they soldiers or news broadcasters? If soldier, are they armed?. Whether or not soldier or newsman, they will definately be arrested for illegal intrustion only. Protest note will be sent thru diplomatic channels when it is still open. If they take over PB tower by force, eh.. this part I not in the position to answer and I don't think you can either unless you are the PM of Singapore who decide what to do next. I think its a fact.Originally posted by Gun:And how many corners , may I ask, does this Island state left to
stand on ? Pedra Branca maybe a piece of rock, but this rock
is one of the critical zone which helps maintain Singapore's
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Ah that isn't that a parodox ?Originally posted by Quad:If they take over PB tower by force, eh.. this part I not in the position to answer and I don't think you can either unless you are the PM of Singapore who decide what to do next. I think its a fact.
Having own and run this rock's maritime facility for the last 160 yrs without challenge of its ownership nor having foreign military vessels openly intruding the disputed terrrority while all these event had occur within the last few months is not just a fact, it is clear indication of Malaysia's gov intend:
To subjugate, to intimidate and to irritate ? But Why ?
Even Singapore's PM was not amused by Dr Mahathir misleading claim that PM GCT had "agreed" with Malaysia's right of water price changes after an Oct meet in KL! This wast NOT the case as stated by the PM office statement on 12 Oct 2002 :
However, it IS a fact now that Singapore's terriotorical integrity has being challenged. If this carries on, the Malaysian goverment wouldn't hesistate to take on more intmidating actions.
Remember Dr M promised to step-down this yr after GE elections, unless there is an excuse for a crisis for him to stayon ..... -
To be completely honest the appointment of ministers in Malaysia can sometimes seem like a very bad joke...Just ignore him...They all talk like that cause they sure as hell arent the ones who will be fighting any war... -
Originally posted by Gun:
[b]Ok, Mr. Gun (Judging from your callsign “Gun”, you’re probably a gun-ho), let’s have your way and we shall go to WAR. (Bcus’ they had intruded into our waterways, which undermine our sovereignty and test our patience. The government and commoner (we) can’t take it anymore. It a good scenario to paint the picture as close to reality as possible.
Ah that isn't that a parodox ?
Having own and run this rock's maritime facility for the last 160 yrs without challenge of its ownership nor having foreign military vessels openly intruding the disputed terrrority while all these event had occur within the last few months is not just a fact, it is clear indication of Malaysia's gov intend:
To subjugate, to intimidate and to irritate ? But Why ?
Even Singapore's PM was not amused by Dr Mahathir misleading claim that PM GCT had "agreed" with Malaysia's right of water price changes after an Oct meet in KL! This wast NOT the case as stated by the PM office [b]statement on 12 Oct 2002 :
However, it IS a fact now that Singapore's terriotorical integrity has being challenged. If this carries on, the Malaysian goverment wouldn't hesistate to take on more intmidating actions.
Remember Dr M promised to step-down this yr after GE elections, unless there is an excuse for a crisis for him to stayon ...../b]
(No hard feeling!) OK smoking gun, youÂ’re my best spy that we have had. I shall send you to gather intelligence cusÂ’ we need to know what they operational level. You gather enough intelligence to sent thru before your were caught. You were tortured badly enough to confess that you are a Singapore spy. Now we have really conducted an act of war and Malaysia, is using this opportunity to wack us. Oh! BTW, you are already dead from the torture, they will make sure of that anyway. (They donÂ’t even spare their Anwar, you are nothing) The first tank rolls in before the bridges are demolished. We fight a forward defense strategy by subdue, and secure all critical installations. We hold our ground in JB. In the process, we had lost hundreds if not thousand of soldier in FIBUA. ThatÂ’s only a start.
For those who have died, they were lucky. For those who are maim, they will be dependent on the people back here to see them thruÂ’ the psychological and physical damages they will suffered for the rest of their live. For those who are badly injured, save the ones who got more chance of surviving, resources are stretch. For those who lost their love ones in the war, they will be screaming for justice and blood. For those who re-unite with their maimed loves ones, they were lucky to have them back, but not fully intact, the eye balls are still rotting in JB drains. For those who survive the forward defense action, they will still be defending their ground. It will only cost 25 cents a bullet to end their live if it hit the right spot, staying alive will be an art, being alive is uncertain.
Malaysia recovers from the on slaughter and regroup. It do or die as their country is invaded. (Who wouldn’t). Jihad after Jihad, they sent into JB and occasionally, into City Hall MRT Station. How’s that to you, terrorize by such act? You won’t know that you are sitting beside a going to be bomber singing “Knocking on Heavens Door”. Well, Malaysia artillery started harassing our boys in JB. They will also shoot into Woodland area and further. One to one exchange, they lose JB, we lose our city but JB is just one the many they have got. The exchange is worth to them. We lose our morale but harden as well cus we just heard that Woodland Ave 5, 10 blocks of flats just toppled and hundreds are still buried alive. You can’t communicate back to see if you loves have escape the disaster.
By the way to relate a personnel experience. When I was in NS back in old days during 1986, my corporal who was involved in the grenade accident (many years back then in Tekong) told us that when his deceased friend’s Mum came to camp to receive his personnel effect, he overheard that the mum said in a conversation “I gave you a good good son and you return him to me like that” It was very sad. It is only a grenade exercise gone wrong and still not a war. Imaging if hundred of mums say the same thing while, let say you are signing their death certificate and wiping their records from the computer as they do not need to pay income tax anymore. How about that?
To end it nicely, actually, you are suppose to play daddy in two months time but now, there is not even a body to bury. “Papa” in the child vocabulary will come in only when he attend kindergarten few years later. When his friends ask where your dad, he will reply, what is dad? Can eat or not? His mum will say that in his early days, he was very brave and he died fighting a war. But all is not lost, we receive a state flag to worship.
So shall we still go for war when the diplomatic channel is still open and an ICJ to mediate? The current issues is just one of the many that Malaysia want to harass to garner votes before a major election although it is done in a poor taste. Please only start worrying when Singapore say pull out our Diplomat KL in 24 hrs time.[/b] -
Pack of rubbish nonsense...
no one expects war to be nice nice... and causualty is not one sided.. you think malaysian soldier cant die or their mother wont cry har??
but then... wat to do... their country is run by monkeys and the alternatives is you weeping over your mums corpse... take your pick man...
Secondly... which kuku idiot would stop the war at johor?? give me a good reason to stop my invasion at johor... if you can... to allow them to regroup , rearm, reorganize and come and kill more of our men?? Obvious that is the most stupid reason to stop the invasion at johor...
I have constantly stated the fact... we go in.. we wont stop till we reach kedah... case close... if we stop at johor.. we are gonna loose in an attrition war.. thus... no reason to stop there unless we all damn dying to getting ourselves killed...
war aint nice... but then... do you think it will be nice if you are forced to personally hand over your wife to a gang rape camp?? must be nice to a coward like you... -
oh... one last point...
JIHAD?? dead man can go eat JI HAM....
as far as i see... dont think that only islam can produce fanatics and terrorist... push me agains the wall... i can be worst then the four horsemen of apocalypse...
we are all human... dont they dream that just because they are muslims, shouting allah allah in their toilet cubicle and chanting the koran day and night will make them super human... wait long long my friend... i KNN shovel that koran right down their skinny throat.... and nuke mecca to oblivion.. then they know wat is fear... -
Singapore avoids a costy FIBUA battle and decides to FAE the whole of JB, claiming they were targeting military installations but opps, the wind was too strong...
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For grenade accidents, too bad they can't throw a grenade properly, it happens and is no ones fault but their own... After all, what we expect a grenade to do? Piff out perfume? No! It sprays out pieces of metal fragments at incredible velocities and they somehow have the "sense" to drop it at their own feet...
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just simply declare johor as the SAF newest live firing range...
all malaysians, civilians or non civilians are kindly advise to evacuate the areas...
REAL death and injuries is a high possibilities...
we thank you all for your cooperations... -
Hi Tripwire,Originally posted by tripwire:oh... one last point...
JIHAD?? dead man can go eat JI HAM....
as far as i see... dont think that only islam can produce fanatics and terrorist... push me agains the wall... i can be worst then the four horsemen of apocalypse...
we are all human... dont they dream that just because they are muslims, shouting allah allah in their toilet cubicle and chanting the koran day and night will make them super human... wait long long my friend... i KNN shovel that koran right down their skinny throat.... and nuke mecca to oblivion.. then they know wat is fear...
A pack of nonsense? It true when in your context, you fall in the battleground because your life is an accident. My live is precious, so it the guy next to me. It will become a reality when it happen.
BTW, a word of advice. Please DO NOT insult other people religion. I do have good Malay Staff working for me. So what if they pray every now and then, it their religion. I'm a Chinese and we respected each other in colleagueship, personnel and religious level. Any Muslim who read this may use this to start a forum war, it will be your fault because you could not practice self-restrain in words. Give you a gun? I'll run for my lives. Trigger happy and irrational in arguement. For those Muslim who had shouted Jihard, it was because that they were mislead and intoxicated with mytradom. the leaders were trying to play god on them for their political purpose. -
Every does know what a grenade can do. But have you ever hear do training grenade and actual grenade. The difference is the fuse timing. True, it was an accident which cannot be prevented. But WAR, I think we must be crazy to think of this. I nay for this issue.Originally posted by SingaporeTyrannosaur:For grenade accidents, too bad they can't throw a grenade properly, it happens and is no ones fault but their own... After all, what we expect a grenade to do? Piff out perfume? No! It sprays out pieces of metal fragments at incredible velocities and they somehow have the "sense" to drop it at their own feet... -
canned it... your advice is duely noted and respectfully discarded.. i am merely stating facts... if the truth hurts... i am sorry to say... go drown yourself...Originally posted by Quad:Hi Tripwire,
A pack of nonsense? It true when in your context, you fall in the battleground because your life is an accident. My live is precious, so it the guy next to me. It will become a reality when it happen.
to a real man... the value of your life is determined by those around you... but then to a selfish lout... the value of his life is his alone...even thou he is nothing more then a living, breathing parasite... who shrieks his responsibility and lived on the sacrifice of others.. thus... dont come and tell me life is precious... you aint got enough brain to understand the meaning of life...
BTW, a word of advice. Please DO NOT insult other people religion. I do have good Malay Staff working for me. So what if they pray every now and then, it their religion. I'm a Chinese and we respected each other in colleagueship, personnel and religious level. Any Muslim who read this may use this to start a forum war, it will be your fault because you could not practice self-restrain in words. Give you a gun? I'll run for my lives. Trigger happy and irrational in arguement. For those Muslim who had shouted Jihard, it was because that they were mislead and intoxicated with mytradom. the leaders were trying to play god on them for their political purpose.
IN FACT... is it not true that other religion and faiths has and did produce fanatics and terrorist?? thus.. i am actually defending islam from a different perspective...
Give me a gun... and you will run for your lives?? dont bother to run lah... i dont waste bullet on cowards... -
Let turn around and say they were faster.Originally posted by tripwire:just simply declare johor as the SAF newest live firing range...
all malaysians, civilians or non civilians are kindly advise to evacuate the areas...
REAL death and injuries is a high possibilities...
We thank you all for your cooperations...
All Singaporean, civillians or non civillian are kindly advice to evacuate the areas. Real death and injuries is a high possibility, we thank you for your co-operation.
Oops, one HDB down. (Malaysian - Arty) What a lousy shot you are! I want two down in one shot to acheive 500 families per shot. How does that sound to you? Good? -
there are at the moment over 40 wars going on around this world... yes... they are crazy... but when they start to point the gun at you...wat would you do??Originally posted by Quad:Every does know what a grenade can do. But have you ever hear do training grenade and actual grenade. The difference is the fuse timing. True, it was an accident which cannot be prevented. But WAR, I think we must be crazy to think of this. I nay for this issue.
pick up your rifle and go crazy like them....OR.... smile and tell them they are crazy... i think their response would be....
*bang*
*bang*
*bang*
the killer says'.... hmm... today i killed another bastard idiot who dared to say to my face that i am crazy while my gun is pointing at him... he must be really crazy or he is tired of living"
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fear not... we will return the goodwill 100x over and see to it that the loses incurred is redeamed in full plus interest...Originally posted by Quad:Let turn around and say they were faster.
All Singaporean, civillians or non civillian are kindly advice to evacuate the areas. Real death and injuries is a high possibility, we thank you for your co-operation.
Oops, one HDB down. (Malaysian - Arty) What a lousy shot you are! I want two down in one shot to acheive 500 families per shot. How does that sound to you? Good?
unfortunate as it may seem... but then... when facing monkeys... you have to speak like a monkey... -
Ok,Originally posted by tripwire:canned it... your advice is duely noted and respectfully discarded.. i am merely stating facts... if the truth hurts... i am sorry to say... go drown yourself...
IN FACT... is it not true that other religion and faiths has and did produce fanatics and terrorist?? thus.. i am actually defending islam from a different perspective...
Give me a gun... and you will run for your lives?? dont bother to run lah... i dont waste bullet on cowards...
Pass my test first. PM me and we will meet outside. Let me see if you are brave enough to handle me. I think I can spare 3 mins for you.
If you can't PM me, then I'm sure that you are a kid, who is still asking for allowance, who like to be a nameless net hero while enjoing wet dreams and calling mama at the same time. I will forgive you for that. Otherwise, I will still be waiting.
I can't stand kids who blurt things w/o going thru their brain on the consequence. These people cannot be leader in life as they will lead people to their death. Talking about coward, have you assailants like I do? Coward, eh? -
Hi tripwire,Originally posted by tripwire:fear not... we will return the goodwill 100x over and see to it that the loses incurred is redeamed in full plus interest...
unfortunate as it may seem... but then... when facing monkeys... you have to speak like a monkey...
If you want to have a good discussion. Lets ahve a good one, personnel attack to be excluded. We can always do it on a separate arrangement, physicall. I'll bring a cane along, the one that Ah Mah used on me 20 years ago.
Otherwise, please restrain yourself from unnecessary personnel insult or religious insult. It is absolutely unnecessary and not appropriate.
Please consider thes clearly for a healty forum.
Otherwise, I have challenge you and is waiting with a trusty old cane. -
Originally posted by Gun:
hmm. WE compromise to their whims, or goto war. but war not the solution. how hypocritical is that?
December 31 , 2002 09:04AM
Strategic And National Interest Could Be The Basis For Future Ties, Says Syed Hamid
PUTRAJAYA, Dec 31 (Bernama) -- Foreign Minister Datuk Seri Syed Hamid Albar said ties between Malaysia and Singapore could be based on strategic and national interest in future, no more on the concept of being neighbourly.
This is because of both countries regard bilateral ties differently with Malaysia being neighbourly while Singapore cares only about its economy, he said.
"I think if we look at the foreign policy of a country, the core of its policy is its strategic and national interest," he told reporters after attending a Hari Raya get-together organised by Malaysian Youth Foundation, here Monday night.
He said the strain in relations between Malaysia and Singapore would remain if Singapore is very aloof with its foreign policy.
To a question, Syed Hamid said: "This is not the question of compromise...[b]Singapore has two choices. If it refuses to compromise...go to war." But war, he said, is not the solution in resolving problems between two countries.
"The approach in knowing what is ours and not to give in without knowing what is ours," he said, adding that the time had come for Malaysia to think business like to benefit from its ties with other countries.
-- BERNAMA
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The Malaysian minister are only fanning the fire to garner votes for their upand coming election. They need to have a common target to wack like "Singapore". Being the closet neighbour with historical ties, more reason to do so.Originally posted by dumbdumb!:hmm. WE compromise to their whims, or goto war. but war not the solution. how hypocritical is that?
I do heard from my associate who is in a step-board. He mentioned that the intention is to win in election thru supports from voters and not war with us. I think it is credible as it stir up emotions of the voters to vote them. This was also reported a couple of days ago that "PAS had cry foul on UMNO method of getting votes. Sorry I can't manage to attach the source. The new was only early this week. -
admirable bravery... but simply put lor... we dun hv enuff ppl in the army to take over johor. example is hitler, he so nearly took over the european countries. but in the end fail. why? cuz not enuff soldiers to maintain the countries he took over. think of the board game risk. same thing.Originally posted by tripwire:Pack of rubbish nonsense...
no one expects war to be nice nice... and causualty is not one sided.. you think malaysian soldier cant die or their mother wont cry har??
but then... wat to do... their country is run by monkeys and the alternatives is you weeping over your mums corpse... take your pick man...
Secondly... which kuku idiot would stop the war at johor?? give me a good reason to stop my invasion at johor... if you can... to allow them to regroup , rearm, reorganize and come and kill more of our men?? Obvious that is the most stupid reason to stop the invasion at johor...
I have constantly stated the fact... we go in.. we wont stop till we reach kedah... case close... if we stop at johor.. we are gonna loose in an attrition war.. thus... no reason to stop there unless we all damn dying to getting ourselves killed...
war aint nice... but then... do you think it will be nice if you are forced to personally hand over your wife to a gang rape camp?? must be nice to a coward like you...
but ultimatly la. the desision still lies with the government. we can post our views here. but in the end? the gov makes the call. ya? -
Originally posted by dumbdumb!:admirable bravery... but simply put lor... we dun hv enuff ppl in the army to take over johor. example is hitler, he so nearly took over the european countries. but in the end fail. why? cuz not enuff soldiers to maintain the countries he took over. think of the board game risk. same thing.
but ultimatly la. the desision still lies with the government. we can post our views here. but in the end? the gov makes the call. ya? In contrast to his nickname. he shows a remarkable amout of sense...No offence intended at all...
Honestly Tripwire....mighty though the armed forces of Singapore maybe...do you honestly believe it can take over the whole of Malaysia? -
Agree. But to add. Tripwire is the best. he can order PM to attack until kedah and have a cup of cuppa.Originally posted by dumbdumb!:admirable bravery... but simply put lor... we dun hv enuff ppl in the army to take over johor. example is hitler, he so nearly took over the european countries. but in the end fail. why? cuz not enuff soldiers to maintain the countries he took over. think of the board game risk. same thing.
but ultimatly la. the desision still lies with the government. we can post our views here. but in the end? the gov makes the call. ya?
I think if given a choise, we should not talk WAR so emotionally (Not refer to you, lah),. As if we can do forum, so can anyone across the causeway, read our forum.
Probably, Utusan newspaper will read and think. Ah...I think tomorrow topic will be cut water supply, let blow it a bit out of context. It will be a sell-out.
Valid?