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CLONING!
MAKEPEACE, MAKE CLONES?
A REPORT ON ATTEMPTED ASTROTURFING AND SOCKPUPPETING BY LIONNOISY
a lion puppet
For those who wondered what happened.
Lionnoisy created a clone called "makepeace" which he used in speakers corner to further his own agenda, trying to give people the impression that there are others out there that would agree with him.
Unfortunately he did a very poor job of hiding it.
This kind of behaviour is called sockpuppeting, ie. creating a false online identity to praise, defend or create the illusion of support for one’s self, allies or company.
A sockpuppet is an online identity used for purposes of deception within an Internet community. In its earliest usage, a sockpuppet was a false identity through which a member of an Internet community speaks while pretending not to, like a puppeteer manipulating a hand puppet.[1]
In current usage, the perception of the term has been extended beyond second identities of people who already post in a forum to include other uses of misleading online identities. For example, a NY Times article claims that "sock-puppeting" is defined as "the act of creating a fake online identity to praise, defend or create the illusion of support for one’s self, allies or company."[2]
The key difference between a sockpuppet and a regular pseudonym (sometimes termed an "alt") is the pretense that the puppet is a third party who is not affiliated with the puppeteer.
To "flame wars" and "phishing" we can now add "sock puppet." A sock puppet, for those still boning up, is a false identity through which a member of an Internet community speaks while pretending not to, like a puppeteer manipulating a hand puppet. Recently, a senior editor at The New Republic got in trouble for some particularly colorful sock puppetry.
When Lee Siegel began blogging for The New Republic, he found, as many others have, that Internet posters tend to be fairly outspoken — and a good number of the posters on the blog were harshly critical. An exception was ''sprezzatura,'' who regularly offered extravagant praise. After Mr. Siegel was criticized for his writing about Jon Stewart, host of ''The Daily Show,'' sprezzatura wrote: ''Siegel is brave, brilliant and wittier than Stewart will ever be. Take that, you bunch of immature, abusive sheep.'' A reader charged that sprezzatura was in fact Mr. Siegel, but sprezzatura denied it.
The reader turned out to be right. ...
After making some lame and hasty excuse about his account being hacked, lionnoisy suddenly abandoned all this threads in which him being sockpuppeting was being mentioned. Unfortunately his excuse cannot stand up to logic as he was seen responding to and talking back TO HIS OWN ACCOUNT.
This is what happened:
29th April 0932hrs a "user" called "makepeace" that had never posted before created a lionnoisy-sounding titled thread called "Oz Judge ban TV drama & interview glorify gangland wars "
Already suspisions were raised because the structure and phrasing of the title was signature of lionnoisy. The first post by this "makepeace" was as such:
Originally posted by makepeace:
Oz Supreme Judge Justice Betty King
bans TV drama serices & interviews
glorifying those in the gangland war.The bans to prevent
jurors to be affected while the trial of a murder case is in progress.
U hardly expect democratic and free country like Oz will
ban TV programmes .Right?
U wont know TV programmes on Oz gangsters
are so hot there.Right?
u wont know ganglang wars there also so frequent.Right?
1.Judge cuts down(TV) Nine's Underbelly
Milanda Rout | February 12, 2008
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23200497-7582,00.html
2.Judge bans 'crime mums' interview
Peter Gregory | April 22, 2008
Barbara Williams and Judith Moran,
the mothers of defendant Evangelos Goussis
and the widow of the murdered Lewis Moran
respectively,were interviewed.
Its damn interesting that this news was under
Entertainment section!!
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/news/entertainment/judge-bans-underbelly-report/2008/04/21/1208742836107.html?s_cid=rss_news
3.The Morgan family----the story of the murdered
http://www.melbournecrime.bizhosting.com/moran.family.htm
4.The story of the Boss ,Carl Williams,behind the killing
http://www.melbournecrime.bizhosting.com/carl.williams.htm
5.u can learn more by seraching Justice Betty King
in www.yahoo.com.au
6.Questions
A.Why the media want to air the interview while the trial
is still on?
B.How are the gang activities in Down Under?
C.Am i look like anti--Oz?
D.How true are the postings in 3 and 4 listed above.
i dunt expect the there are so many details about
Oz gangsters.Can any one tell me more?
Note that other then for the user name, this post is virtually indistinguishable from the countless of other lionnoisy posts we can compare it with. The excessive reliance on the media, posting of hyperlinks, using warped logic that takes issues out of their context, and most tellingly the horrible english which make typos and grammatical errors right down to what lionnoisy would EXACTLY make is exactly what you'd expect from lionnoisy.
Hence lionnoisy must have been someone disappointed because after 20 minutes still nobody bothered to reply to his post under makepeace. Hence he decided to bump his own thread.
But after a few lackluster replies, he finally decided to "talk" to makepeace
Originally posted by lionnoisy:
3.The Morgan family----the story of the murdered
http://www.melbournecrime.bizhosting.com/moran.family.htm
4.The story of the Boss ,Carl Williams,behind the killing
http://www.melbournecrime.bizhosting.com/carl.williams.htm
I cant believe there are so many killings
in the above links !!!
More excited than Holloywood movies!!
Note the bad acting, where he pretended to be "excited" and "surprised" about what he wrote himself.
Now this is the funny part, if his account was really hacked as he claimed it to be, he would certainly not be replying back to his "hacked" account so happily in such a way.
But in any case when he was exposed he made this very funny, frantic and desperate post trying to suddenly divorce himself from the actions of his sockpuppetry by claiming he was hacked. Unfortunately all a basic look at the thread will reveal what really happened, and that is nothing other then lionnoisy was caught red-handed sockpuppeting.
Originally posted by lionnoisy:
Why did u check IP and English of forumers?
i just know my acct has been hijacked and u post it!!
It seems u are faster than me?Looks so strange!!
Looks like it is a cyber crime and /or frame up.
Hv anyone(u know who i mean) hacked into my e mails and computers ?
Do i have to hire armed guards to stay outside my
pigeon hole?
I am seeking helps from ISD,CIA,FBI,MI 5 and 6,
PRC Kong Ang, etc to check who hijack my acct
and make me appearing as ''makepeace'' after
i click submit.How safe in this forum??
I will buy you Ya Kun coffee if your info can lead to
catch the criminal,
Forums owners and mods are hereby notified my formal ,written and distressing complaints to cyber crimes!!
Another paethetic, and desperate reply from him when he was cornered:
Originally posted by lionnoisy:
oh it is good.Then can help me saving time to see counsellors How to get rid of computers addicts!!bye
Those who want to see what happened can go here:
http://sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/315326
And some screencaps, so the evidence is preserved:
"mysterous" makepeace appears:
and of course his own excited and poorly acted "reply" to his own clone.
and his own desperate and feeble attempts to wriggle out of the situtation:
"was throughout prostituting herself during the entire proceedings, by being nothing more than an employee of Mr Lee Kuan Yew and his son and carrying out their orders". Nair has been slapped with an additional charge for allegedly insulting another judge of being "corrupt" in an email more than two years ago.US-based blogger Gopalan Nair (R), a former Singaporean lawyer who is now a US citizen arrives at the Subordinate court in Singapore on June 12, 2008. According to a court document, Nair is charged with insulting Justice Belinda Ang Saw Ean last week by sending an email which said she
http://www.daylife.com/photo/0b7060jeXQa7E
oh!i like this links.
few photos and articles for him
http://www.daylife.com/search?q=Gopalan+Nair+
this thread introduces him to us lah...
http://politics.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/277773
lionnoisy bad ideas,
they are pretty funny:
Crashing a 100K SGD FANTAIL UAV into targets:
Originally posted by lionnoisy:
Fantail ‘……can be scaled to accommodate alternative payloads and missions. ‘’
Can we arm it(1) with missiles or (2) to reduce the payload ,just attach explosives and Fantail just crash into the targets.?
I think it will be quite accurate fro it to hit GPMG site,APC,tanks etc
2.Ok lah.Just crash Extender to a enemy fighter.Few thousand $$ can save SG soldiers life.It worth every single dollar!!
And look at how he gets pwned:
Originally posted by lionnoisy:
Is there any similiar UAV with the size so small?I dunt think so!!
And the rebuttal:
Originally posted by SingaporeTyrannosaur:
If you want to avoid the issue at the very least don't try to post meaningless posts... it just shows that you lack intellectual intergity, or basic comprehension skills.
The question is do you think it's a good idea for the SAF to crash such things into people and equipment, something that you have been pushing for since this whole sorry thread started, a thread that no doubt exposed you lack of understanding on most things even most basic book camp.
Is there any lionnoisy with the english skill that can finish this book? I dunt think so!!
As to answer your question on if there's any other UAV with the size so small:
All smaller then Fantail.... and made by many other countries.
So please tooting our horn about Fantail, you are disgracing our country with your lack of understanding of even our OWN equipment.
Following that post, lionnoisy quietly slipped out of the thread and left it entirely.
Unfortunately he learnt nothing from his experience only to start another thread that was just as disasterous:
Australia are buying helicopter landing ships to launch F-18Es, which anybody with some basic knowledge of military stuff will know that is a very stupid idea.
Amazingly, despite his ability to dig up all the "dirt" about Australia's military and comment as if he knows a lot about military stuff, this blatant fact is somewhat missed out on him:
Originally posted by lionnoisy:
1.Why nobody tell us that Oz already ordered 2 LHD--mini CV?
Forumers here too busy?
2.Why Oz dare not admit that procurement of Super Hornet
is mainly for mini CV?
Despite everyone in the forum telling him that LHDs are not for launching F-18s, he insisted and kept on trying, coming up with crazier ideas:
Originally posted by lionnoisy:
oh my God!!
Why no one can see in the first image that there is a ski-jumping board?This is not for R & R for the sailors to
play skate boards lah.
Enlarged for you:
ski--jumping board NOT for the sailors to play lah.
see again:
http://www.defence.gov.au/dmo/msd/jp2048/jp2048ph4A_4B.cfm
1.I must admit i have not get confirmation that the
ski--jumping board is for Super Hornet only.
But i can sure the board must be for CV aircraft.
Can JSF take off and land in this mini CV??
2.Then,can Super Hornets take off and land in this mini
CV?
The rebuttal:
Originally posted by SingaporeTyrannosaur:
Everybody can see the ski ramp on board, but they are smart enough to know it's not for Superbug use.
Man you really are that ignorant are you not?
You enlarge also no use, you simply do not understand how things work at all.
Ski jump or not, there is no way for the Superbug, or most non STOL combat planes for that matter, to reach their takeoff speed in that short a distance on an LHD. The Ski jump is to enable a better AOA when you clear the ship, but it had no effect on your takeoff speed... if you are too slow you'll simply stall the moment you leave the Ski jump and crash into the sea. Unfortunately the LHD (or any ship for that matter) lacks the required length for the Superbug (or any non STOL for that matter) to reach a viable speed to take off, Ski jump or not.
What is required is a catapult, which of course this ship does not have.
And of course landing is another issue without an angled deck, it means that it cannot retrieve aircraft without having to do a full deck turnover because to do an aborted landing would mean having the plane smack straight into whatever's parked in the way on the deck. So much for tactical flexibility.
All this of course, is no surprise because the LHD was NEVER intended to launch non STOL aircraft.
LOL, lionnoisy's notion of launching Superbugs from LHDs is prehaps akin to us launching recon bikes from within our Bionixes... or having Abrams tanks airdropped from C-130s
Fixed wing aircraft that would operate from the LHD would be STOL/VTOL examples such as the Harrier, or the JSF, but NOT the Superbug.
What's next? lionnoisy is going to say the aussies are going to retrofit their superbugs to be VTOL aircraft?
Seriously lionnoisy, if we had people like you giving advice to our military, the SAF is totally doomed.
And a very funny reply about why lionnoisy just can't seem to get it right:
Originally posted by arball:
p.s. how old is lionnoissy?
Originally posted by Gedaken:
Intellectually, about three and a half. In human years, your guess is as good as mine.
The DUH factor here is astounding. Australia's waiting for the JSF, and ski ramps a la HMS Invincible have long been established for STOL aircraft. Noisy Pussy's fucked it up once again - as if that's any surprise.
And finally with the weight of the forumers and evidence stacked up against him, lionnoisy finally submits and runs away, never even speaking about the topic again:
Originally posted by lionnoisy:
the third LHD for vertical take-off jet.No news for 1st and 2 nd LHD.ok?
Ok lionnoisy we get it, this is your way of saying that you are wrong, as Gedaken puts it:
Originally posted by Gedaken:
Not OK. You admit to having no information linking Superbugs to ski ramps but you carry on like a two-bob watch about this numbskulled idea. Then you turn around and demand news about the first two LHDs being for V/STOLs. I said it before, I'll say it again - HYPOCRITE.
Do you see the USMC building a ski ramp and launching their Bugs off the Tarawa?
Moron.
I hear Singapore government encourages young infant children from People's Republic of China to attend schools in Singapore. Several thousand, already in Singapore; are given scholarships of $500.00 per month including free schools fees and books. Their mothers, for some strange reason, not their fathers, are permitted to immigrate to Singapore to care for them. These mothers who are usually divorced or single mothers usually find work in Singapore in massage parlors and as sales girls where the clientele is entirely Chinese, since they or these children, speak no English.
These scholarships are given only to Chinese children from the PRC. Not Malay children or Indian children even though Malays and Indians are also Singaporeans!
so u see how ''informed'' he is!!
he just want to stir up racial emotions here.
there are many examples in his blogs.
he said Police gets his lap top.
I hope the account can be freezed and protected so we can
see his true color.
''Nair disputes charges of sending insulting emails to
tell the Judge in court,my Dear.
Improper actions just waste time and $$$.It wont make him
leave SG earlier.
News - Singapore | |
Thursday, 12 June 2008 |
Originally posted by lionnoisy:
this thread introduces him to us lah...
Gopalan Nair, the Singapore Dissident
Unfortunately lionnoisy, don't you realize that not only are people not reading your posts and links because they are too boring and long and your language is too mangled for them to understand, you are actually making people on interested in the kind of person that can come up with such stuff.
Now this thread is becoming about you introducing yourself to us...
Let's take a look at another of your "ideas":
Originally posted by lionnoisy:
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/20030034618.html
What do u think if we issue similiar kit to infantry and mount it into boots?
It will help for speed , save energy ,quite and may save their live.
My required spec
1.Mount and dismount each in 5 sec.
2.Weight not more than 500 gm each.
Pl add your valuable spec.
<!-- Abstract --><!-- Document Type --><!-- Publication Date -->Title:Bootless inline skate(lion note:in our case,it is with boot!!)Publication Date:02/20/2003Document Type and Number:United States Patent 20030034618Kind Code:A1<!-- Page link -->Abstract:A skate with inline wheels is disclosed that employs a lever (termed a mast) to provide the upright support and lateral control usually supplied by a stiff boot or shell. The lever doesn't trap heat and perspiration as will the boot or shell, particularly since these must be lined with heavy padding to provide a modicum of comfort.Moreover, unlike the skate boot, the mast may be folded back along the frame of the skate when not in use to enhance portability and minimize the need for storage space. Additionally, the various embodiments of the invention are easier to put on and take off than traditional designs. These features gain additional utility when considered in combination, which have the collective efficacy to usher the inline design into entirely new applications.The inventor considers that the impressive speed of inline skates generally, combined with the features disclosed herein, may someday cast this erstwhile toy and sports accessory into a new role as a practical transport machine.
more info in the link.
Pl invent and apply patent or talk to MINDEF,DSTA,DSO,or IE Spore for appling patent.Good Luck!!
2.Almost forget.The trainers is outsourced or fr SAF.But the minimum requirement like this:
Let's look at the comments on this:
joce_ATG:"i've always regarded ur posts with neutrality. but i think this one........is really quite crap."
laurence82: "err, this chap spam the forum wor"
Fatum: "I'll give you +1 for creativity ....."
pigsticker: "thanks for the laugh.. i needed it "
Croningfool: "How the fuck do you perform your contact drills on roller blades?"
RaTtY8l: "how r u gonna skate in the damn bloody forest with mud, grass, stones??? even go fibua how r u jus like others pointed out, going up stairs? with 10-20kg of back packs u think its easy? have u served went through a field exercise??? or r u jus a pec E cleck sitting in the air con room playing CS n maplestory???"
fudgester: "Okay then handsome.... figure out this scenario:
You and your men are skating down the road . Then suddenly your platoon gets ambushed by some enemies hidden in the trees by the roadside.
So..... how the flying *bleep* does your section charge at the enemy hidden among the trees? Ask the enemy to wait while you change from in-line skates to boots? You know what kind of traction rollerblades get in jungle terrain?
Oh wait.... maybe you're just expecting the enemy to laugh themselves to death at seeing a whole bunch of in-line skating SAF troops.
The only conclusion I can make: you've never served in the army, you've never carried a rifle, and no, you've never worn Rollerblades either.
"
SingaporeTyrannosaur: "I think next he's gonna suggest the whole body of the grunt to be covered with inline skates so he can skate more easily... "
Lol who knows...
Actually if you want a good laugh, just go read any of lionnoisy's threads in Military Nuts, a forum he retreated to after he was badly trounced in Speaker's Corner... but then he got trounced there and is now back in Speaker's Corner.
The most fun part about his threads is that when you back him to a corner in any topic, he will just quietly leave and never come back, and then start another similar topic and repeat his debunked arguments pretending his previous thread never existed.
When it comes to his threads he has been defeated in, he shows signs of APD in them:
Avoidant personality disorder (APD or AvPD) or Anxious personality disorder (APD),is a personality disorder characterized by a pervasive pattern of social inhibition, feelings of inadequacy, extreme sensitivity to negative evaluation and avoidance of social interaction. People with avoidant personality disorder often consider themselves to be socially inept or personally unappealing, and avoid social interaction for fear of being ridiculed, humiliated, rejected or disliked.
he quitted.But he asked us to stay and fight.
What a f@#$!!
http://politics.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/305049
A number of readers have asked me advice on political asylum in the United States. I am not suggesting that any political opponent of the Lee regime should contemplate leaving Singapore. They should stay behind and continue the struggle. This is honorable. Leaving is not. But there is no harm in knowing. So here it is.....
Originally posted by SingaporeTyrannosaur:Lol who knows...
Actually if you want a good laugh, just go read any of lionnoisy's threads in Military Nuts, a forum he retreated to after he was badly trounced in Speaker's Corner... but then he got trounced there and is now back in Speaker's Corner.
The most fun part about his threads is that when you back him to a corner in any topic, he will just quietly leave and never come back, and then start another similar topic and repeat his debunked arguments pretending his previous thread never existed.
When it comes to his threads he has been defeated in, he shows signs of APD in them:
Singapore Tyrannosaur, give credit to you for exposing this chap in such an interesting manner.
In this blog,he insults ALL Sporean who still stay here
and Judge Ang.
if u still stay in SG,Nair says u are....Dance with PAP!!
http://politics.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/308787
It is this large section of the population that form the Singapore Diaspora; hundreds and thousands of Singaporeans who just cannot stand the sight of Lee Kuan Yew and his minions. They have packed up and left for Australia, New Zealand, Canada, the UK and Sweden. It is these who are the best and most talented of Singaporeans. And unlike the likes of Judge Belinda Ang who will say or do anything for the right price, what I mean is unprincipled souls; the Singaporeans who leave are the upright educated human beings with principles, with honor, with pride; who refuse to dance whenever Lee demands it.
Singapore on the other hand is known internationally as a place that hangs petty drug mules; beats prisoners with a stick in their backsides until they become bloody, sometimes causing death; where judges like Judge Belinda Ang will happily abuse the law to eliminate Lee Kuan Yew's opponents; where there is no rule of law at all; where there are no civil liberties at all; and where all newspapers are owned and controlled by the government as in North Korea.
Originally posted by Civilgoh:Singapore Tyrannosaur, give credit to you for exposing this chap in such an interesting manner.
lol, actually I didn't have to do much.
To quote SM Goh "they will expose themselves".
Ultimately lionnoisy is his own worst enemy...
I remember one topic that lionnoisy kept dragging on and on until an Australian went into it and simply blew his arguments to pieces:
The crux of lionnoisy's simplistic arguments in that case was that the Singapore Navy was superior because it had more ships then the Australian Navy and that the Australian Navy could not defend its coasts.
Of course as usual he left out the fact that our navy combatants are mostly light craft while the Australian combatants are often up to four to five times as massive and packing more firepower and endurance to boot.
But as usual he dragged on and on coming up with increasingly ridiculus ideas and name-calling and dismissal of the Australians until finally an Australian had to blast him:
Originally posted by Asian Aussie:
Hi, my first post here. This is a v interesting thread. I'm from Oz and I think I can clear up some issues.
1. Lionnoisy is an idiot who's probably still in his teens and doesn't know anything military about from video games and the news. I'm impressed with SG Tyrannosaur's level of knowledge.
2. The Collins Class SSK is noisy and has heaps of problems. In Oz, we prefer that the rest of the world thinks this is the case. ;) It gives us the element of surprise. Besides this point, it is the largest SSK in the world at over 3000 tons displacement with the same combat system as the Virginia SSN. It is armed with ADCAPS and is fitted for special forces. There is discussion of fitting Tomahawk capability.
3. A smart country only spends what is neccessary for effective defence and not a penny more. A lot of teenage boys are obsessed with large military forces when clearly the country doesn't need it. For example Singapore doesn't need an aircraft carrier.
4. Taking into account point 3, you can't compare SG's navy to Aust's navy. We're a blue water navy because we have to be with so much ocean. SG is a green or brown water navy because it only has to defend itself from Malaysia and Indonesia. There is no open ocean to consider.
5. Lionnoisy claims that Australia has only 10 ships defending its borders. Have you heard of JORN? With JORN we don't need to have ships physically there for defence. We have electronic "eyes" scanning our borders all the way up to Singapore Harbour and possibly to Hong Kong.
6. Apart from SE Asia, the corvette platform is a redundant platform. Outside SE Asia's islands, the corvette is ineffective. Australia chooses to have large ships instead of smaller ones like SG, even though SG may have a larger number of ships.
7. Australia's future navy is looking very good and Lionnoisy should be aware of this since even the news is reporting it.
2 LHD @ 27000 tons, 1 RoRo ship ( to be ordered by 2010), 3+1 Aegis Destroyers @ 6250 tons, 8 Anzac Frigates @ 3600 tons, 6 Minehunters, 6 Collins Class Subs, 14 Armidale Patrol Boats.
SG has 6 Formidables? @ 3200 tons. Please lionnoisy, get a brain, SG navy more than kicks Malaysia's, but Australia is a Top 10-15 Navy.
After that lionnoisy didn't dare to reply anymore.
Imagine what lionnoisy is doing to the reputation of our country with his infantile behaviour to the point a person from Australia had to come to this forum, a Singaporean forum, to correct him.
Seriously, I wonder if lionnoisy feels any shame.
I remember that lionnoisy is always very into posting numbers and cutting and pasting, he even spent a lot of effort coming up with URD (Unit Ready Days) figures for the Australian Navy.
So to reward him for his effort, we came up with something called the ERD for him, that is English Ready Days.. as you all know lionnoisy has shown a serious lack of basic logic and comprehension as well as the use of the English language in here:
Can any one object to the following figures?
http://www.goodenglish.org.sg/site/
Is it enough to make Sg english good??I dunt want need send Oz education to help!!
lionnoisy E.R.D (ENGLISH READY DAYS)
.............................(lionnoisy)
Posts made (as of 17th April 2008)--------------3012
Posts with good spelling ----------------------------0
Posts with proper grammar-------------------------0
Post with proper sentence structure--------------0
ERD------------------------------------------------------------0
(English ready days)
Achieved----------------------------------------------------0
Substantially achieved---------------------------------0
Englishs avaiable per day(max): 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Total:0!!
Unfortunately lionnoisy was unable to come up with an answer for it:
lionnoisy has what i would deem the true believer syndrome and the spotlight fallacy.
That is he believes in the supremacy of the SAF no matter what and the incompetency of the ADF, no matter what flaws and blunders the SAF makes and what achievements the ADF has. No matter what people who have served in the military and trained with the equipment tells him, he refuses to believe in anything other then his "side" of the coin, which does not exist to begin with.
True-believer syndrome is a term coined by M. Lamar Keene in his 1976 book The Psychic Mafia. Keene used the term to refer to people who continued to believe in a paranormal event or phenomenon even after it had been proven to have been staged.[1] It has since been applied, more loosely, to refer to any belief without empirical or logical foundations..
Examples
Raoul
In his book The Psychic Mafia, Keene tells of a psychic medium named Raoul. Some people still believed that Raoul was genuine even after he openly admitted that he was a fake. Keene wrote "I knew how easy it was to make people believe a lie, but I didn't expect the same people, confronted with the lie, would choose it over the truth. ... No amount of logic can shatter a faith consciously based on a lie."[4]
Carlos
According to the Skeptic's Dictionary, an example of this syndrome is evidenced by an event in 1988, when James Randi, at the request of an Australian news program, coached stage performer José Alvarez to pretend he was channelling a 2000 year old spirit named "Carlos". Even after it was revealed to be a fictional character created by himself and Alvarez, people continued to believe that "Carlos" was real.[3] Randi commented: "no amount of evidence, no matter how good it is or how much there is of it, is ever going to convince the true believer to the contrary."[5]
419 scam
Article 419 frauds, also known as advance fee fraud, involve individuals inveigling others to give them their bank details, supposedly in order to make a large deposit, but actually in order to drain the account. Anti-419 activists refer to those who sometimes continue to believe in the good faith of the fraudsters as "true believers".[6]
Also his reliance on the media and inability to make any sort of critical thinking shows that he quite truly suffers from the spotlight fallacy:
Spotlight fallacy
The Spotlight fallacy is committed when a person uncritically assumes that all members or cases of a certain class or type are like those that receive the most attention or coverage in the media. This line of “reasoning” has the following form:
1. Xs with quality Q receive a great deal of attention or coverage in the media. 2. Therefore all Xs have quality Q.
This line of reasoning is fallacious since the mere fact that someone or something attracts the most attention or coverage in the media does not mean that it automatically represents the whole population. For example, suppose a mass murderer from Old Town, Maine, received a great deal of attention in the media. It would hardly follow that everyone from the town is a mass murderer.
The Spotlight fallacy derives its name from the fact that receiving a great deal of attention or coverage is often referred to as being in the spotlight. It is similar to Hasty Generalization, Biased Sample and Misleading Vividness because the error being made involves generalizing about a population based on an inadequate or flawed sample. The Spotlight Fallacy is a very common fallacy. This fallacy most often occurs when people assume that those who receive the most media attention actually represent the groups they belong to. For example, some people began to believe that all those who oppose abortion are willing to gun down doctors in cold blood simply because those incidents received a great deal of media attention. Since the news media typically cover people or events that are unusual or exceptional, it is somewhat odd for people to believe that such people or events are representative.
Examples
- I wouldn't like to go to America because of all the gun crime; we see it on the news all the time.
- Muslims are always in the news blowing other people up; so all Muslims are terrorists.
- Doctor: Why don't patients make some effort to look after themselves? My surgery is full of people who eat, drink, smoke and don't get any exercise. Of course he may have many more patients who do look after themselves and don't often turn up in his surgery; there's also the possibility that the patients who do look after themselves will be less likely to turn up in his surgery because of the fact that they take care of themselves and are healthier than those who don't.
- Why do young people all take drugs and go around mugging old ladies? You read about it in the paper all the time!
- Child: When I grow up I want to be a singer. Have you seen how much money those pop-stars make?!
- lionnoisy: I support ALL my info with officail or reliable sources, mostly Oz's!! All info just mainly picked up from Oz open sources,most likely newspaper and officail reports. F-18 to be launched off LHDs!
LOL! Pwned again!
More lionnoisy pwnage:
Originally posted by lionnoisy:
If i am wrong,tx for your amendment.I copy from Jane's Fighting Ships 07/08....
pl be reminded that our Coast Guard just tasked to catch II
,pirates,illegal fishing boats(SG have not claimed EEZ)etc
. our terrority water just 3 nm...
SG CG IS NOT navy.They are not ,as their counter part in Oz,
expected to fight with invading enemy navy.
No need to remind us how powerful of weapons
in Oz Patrol Boats.But I pity the PB crews that they
,in your valuable views,have to fight with enemy naval
ships with their 25mm guns.
Do u think enemy naval ships,sailing from thousand
of miles away,just equipped with small guns to
fight with Oz PB ?
Oz coast line is about 18,000 km.
If any poor Oz PB need support,what is the chance that
OZ 8 surface combatant ships(frigates),2 ''most powerful conventional subs'' and 9 PB
(equipped with 25 mm gun and ''one 25mm round will destroy terror boat with one hit'',but not enemy naval ship!!)
which are on station in any day,happen
to be around ?What is the chance that the help can reach in ,say within 1 hour ?
Dunt mix up the role of Navy and CG!
It is becos OZ do not get CG!!
THats why navy is tasked with CG jobs!!
The rebuttal:
Yawn, your latest reply is rambling in circles, you state facts that had you bothered to think a bit more beyond the surface, would have answered your own criticisms.
I like the way you invent some points as well.
- "No need to remind us how powerful of weapons
- in Oz Patrol Boats.But I pity the PB crews that they
- ,in your valuable views,have to fight with enemy naval
- ships with their 25mm guns.
- Do u think enemy naval ships,sailing from thousand
- of miles away,just equipped with small guns to
- fight with Oz PB ?"
Did I say that or did you invent it because you failed your english comprehension?
Let me remind you then to exercise basic english comprehension.
note a keyword:
COIN
TERROR
This lionnoisy fantasy situtation of PVs going to face heavy naval combatants would only happen if the RAN had your kind of thinking, the same kind of thinking that have you wanting to launch F-18s off LHDs
Unfortunately for you, the RAN has far more common sense meaning your point is invalid.
The RAN PVs are dedicated to the role of facing the threat that hit the USS Cole, as well as other smaller threats on which a heavy surface combatant would be a waste of resources. The RAN is not going to use them to fight an heavy combatant just because they are in the navy.
- "which are on station in any day,happen
- to be around ?What is the chance that the help can reach in ,say within 1 hour ?"
Just because you use your limited command of the language and put words together does not mean your poorly-thought out fantasy scenarios are going to happen.
You seem to have this fantasy that a fleet of multi thousand ton ships can just teleport out of nowhere across thousands of miles of ocean and surprise the Australian navy without getting picked up by radar or sonar or other forms of sensors when such a journey will take days and leave plentry of time to get detected and having actions taken by the right kind of naval unit long before they even come close to Australian waters.
What that can suddenly happen anyday is the small, terror suicide boat that the PV is designed to handle that our current navy and coastguard cannot effectively, an Iowa class battleship is not going to "anyday, happen to be around". You might as well say 15,000 enemy tanks "anyday, happen to be around" Orchird road.
This is not surprising given your inline skates, F-18s off LHDs and crashing Fantail ideas all defy good common sense.
Going by your logic, you might as well say that our Primus is useless and has no role because it is totally defenceless if an MBT suddenly teleported next to it and the closest help is too far away.
Going by your logic you might as well say we shouldn't have people doing guard duty because all they have is a SAR-21 and 5 rounds because what if a Gundam suddenly show up?
Going by your logic, you might as well say we have to use Leopard 2s to do guard duty
Your idea of a PV having to face an enemy fleet is pure fantasy. Such an action would be picked up days before they have even entered into Australian waters and dealt out with far out in the Ocean via the Collins or Frigates. In fact the things that do slip through and get close are those small terror/smuggler vessels that don't show up on radar until too late. This is what they have the PVs for.
Unlike you, the RAN knows what unit to pit against what unit. The Fearless class PV with all the wrong weapons, as well as our short-ranged Police Coastguards armed with old 20mm cannons in a few ships and mainly GPMGs will be far less capable of in the COIN/terror ops as the modern, sea-state 5 capable, 25mm stabilized deck mounted autocannons.
- "pl be reminded that our Coast Guard just tasked to catch II
- ,pirates,illegal fishing boats(SG have not claimed EEZ)etc
- . our terrority water just 3 nm...
- SG CG IS NOT navy.They are not ,as their counter part in Oz,
- expected to fight with invading enemy navy."
So what? You think the terrorist suicide craft is going to care if your are Police Coast guard or not? Do you think they are going to surrender just because you have some WW1 20mm cannon and mostly GPMGs?
Note that our vital installations like Jurong Island or Changi Naval base still have to be protected? By who? Our limited numbers of Fearless class that are not even suited for the role with the clunky weapons loadout? By our police coast guard who is armed just with manually operated WW1 20mm cannons and GPMGs?
You seem to have this inability to use good common sense about anything, which is no surprise you think the RAN are going to make bad choices... because you think they have YOUR kind of ideas
- "Dunt mix up the role of Navy and CG!
- It is becos OZ do not get CG!!
- THats why navy is tasked with CG jobs!!"
You are just playing on labels, nothing you said changes the fact that the Aussies still have a more capable COIN/terror platform then us. And nothing changes the fact that despite the lame idea you are trying to push on them, they're not going to use their PVs to fight heavy combatants, even if those fictional lionnoisy ships can cross thousands of miles of ocean in one hour without being detected and spring up beside a PV.
And going by your label-playing logic, are you saying our Air Force is mixing up the roles because we use the RSAF to ferry our troops around while the US Army they have their own air wing to fly their troops in helicopters and let the USAF concentrate on the air war?
Of course, going by your logic of needing to cover each and every 18,000 km of coastline then Australia needs somewhat like 300 ships daily patrolling it's water costing billions to operate, a force that can rival and exceed even the USN.
LOL, you not only failed to comprehend that your arguments have been totally destroyed, but it seems your poor comprehension of my points have led you to make arguments that only backfired on yourself.
Work on your ERD (English Ready Days) first before you make your next move
So lionnoisy answer this:
Was you computer hacked and making you post as makepeace?
How come you talk to yourself then and bump your own thread?
Or is it not blatantly obvious you were using a clone because you were getting owned so much that you decided to create your own support?
Interesting read.
Originally posted by ceecookie:Interesting read.
Too bad nobody's reading whatever he's posting... he must be feeling kinda sad and fustrated now...
Unfortuntately mindless spamming works both ways, he can keep posting long articles and cut and paste but two can play the same game... unfortuntely for him the articles on HIM are far more interesting then whatever he's trying to get people to read...
Sigh lionnoisy, can you improve your skill a not?
Nair just created too many enemy!!
They are aware of the freedoms of the West, and the shameful life they have to lead in Singapore as Lee's "digits ". So they leave if they can. And in little while there will only be the "yes-men" like Lee Kuan Yew's personal Sikh lawyer who does his dirty work. Self respecting Sikhs will be elsewhere.
How about those still in SG??
27 Dec 2008
Dr. Chee and his supporters should not let up on the protests. Do it repeatedly. Challenge them to arrest you repeatedly. Send you to jail repeatedly. They will soon realize that their punishments are not having the desired effect. With world and public opinion squarely against them, they will have to come down from their high horse.
u should get arrested and go to jail as a leader and player.
Judge Belinda Ang who recently ordered summary judgement for defamation action by Lee and Son against Dr. Chee. The late Judge Lai Kew Chai who convicted and sentenced JB Jeyaretnam ensuring that he will lose his seat as MP to please Lee Kuan Yew. The Registrar of the High Court and subsequently the former Judge MH Rubin, who found in favor of Lee Kuan Yew for defamation, in summary judgement, without a trial and dismissing Chee's appeal. Former Judge MH Rubin is now the Singapore High Commissioner to South Africa in Pretoria. I had asked this "judge" whether he had any pangs of conscience now for what he did. He had no answer. Former Judge Sinnathuray who had sent Tan Wah Piow into jail and exile for exercising his democratic right of lawful civil unrest. This willingness to hurt and ruin his fellow man to please their superiors is prevalent throughout the entire country.
Is it freedom of expression or contempt of court?
there are few info quite interesting:
He is not sure if he sent e mail 2 years ago.Of course,
he may forget what he wrote in his 300 anti--SG blogs during past 18 months.
He was charged insulting 2 Judges under 2 different Acts.
Does it mean he will serve separate terms IF he is find guilty?
Lets say 6 plus 6 = 12 months----no joke.
http://www.todayonline.com/articles/259282.asp
Gopalan Nair accusedof having insultedJustice Lai two years ago.......
Leong Wee Keat
[email protected].......According to the charge filed in the Subrodinate Court yesterday, Nair had accused Justice Lai of having “no shame”. He also accused other judges of “selling their souls (and) their conscience for money”. He charged: “Your Singapore judges including Lai are corrupt judges.” This offence allegedly took place while Justice Lai was sitting in a judicial proceeding. The High Court judge had sentenced Singapore Democratic Party (SDP) leader Chee Soon Juan to a one-day jail term and fined him for contempt of court, on the same day Nair had allegedly sent the email. This new charge was filed under the Penal Code. The earlier charge, in which Nair is accused of insulting Justice Belinda Ang last month in the execution of her duty as a public servant, fell under the Miscellaneous Offences (Public Order and Nuisances Act). Both carry a maximum punishment of a year’s jail and a fine of $5,000. ....And yesterday, Nair apologised for the impact his words might have had — but stood by his blog’s contents. “It was never my intention to malignor cause distress to anyone and if thewords that I have used have this effect, I withdraw them and apologise. But as far as the contents of my blog go, as to the events that occurred in the three days of court, it is an accurate observation which I have stated under my rights as a free man,” he said during a 25-minute press conference at a coffeeshop at Peck Seah Street following his court appearance. Nair said the incident involving the 2006 email was “too long ago” and he “probably did not send” it to Justice Lai. He also claimed he did not send any emails to Justice Ang or anyone else regarding last month’s incident. Law Minister K Shanmugam had earlier this month condemned attacks made on the Judiciary as “totally unacceptable”. “To make sure that you protect the integrity of the Judiciary ... you have to be very, very strict about anyone who attacks the judiciary in scurrilous ways, or calls into question its independence,” he added.
Dunt read if u dunt trust STimes 13 06 2008
He forgot the 2006 e mail.
Nair said on the 2006 e mail and his hotel address:
''It was too long ago.It's impossible for me to reallysay that I did or I did not send it.I probably did not send it.''
.......
Asked whether he was issuing a challenge to MM Lee to sue him
when he gave the address of his hotel and his mobile telephone no.
in his 29 May blog post,Nair said he was ''just stating information''.
2.Anyway ,his apology in the statement is not sincere.
It was never my intention to malign or cause distress to anyone and if the
words that I had used had this effect, I withdraw them and apologize.
Usually,in any statement of apology,u will see words like
''I withdraw them unconditionally ,without any reservation''
The statement seem drafted by a lawyer in hurry
3.Since SDP site is not always accessible,i post his statement here
which i get fr SDP site on 12 June evening.
He stands by his blogs.
SG shall stand by her rights to defend her reputations in judiciary.
Gopalan Nair / Press Statement / 11 June 2008
I am an American citizen and a Singaporean by birth and have always been concerned about the welfare of Singaporeans and Singapore.
I have been a Singapore political opposition supporter and politician from 1980 to 1991, a member of the Workers Party. I contested the 1988 and 1991 Singapore general elections under the Workers Party ticket, the former in Tiong Bahru and the latter at Bukit Merah.
I believe as a human being, it is my right and my duty under the constitution of the Republic of Singapore and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights to be able to speak free as a free man and to state what I have seen and heard. This benefits Singaporeans and the world at large. If I did not say what I saw, I would in fact be hiding the truth.
This is what I did. It was never my intention to malign or cause distress to anyone and if the words that I had used had this effect, I withdraw them and apologize. But as far as the contents of my blog post; as to the events that occurred during the 3 days in court, it is an accurate observation which I have stated under my right as a free man.
Even though I left for the United States in 1991, I have throughout my stay in the US been closely monitoring the political situation in Singapore and writing about it in my blog the Singapore Dissident, even though as an American citizen, I could have, like countless other overseas Singaporeans completely ignored Singapore.
As a blogger on human rights and the rights of human beings around the world, my efforts are directed to the plight of human beings who are denied their human rights and how I can expose the injustices they suffer. Not only Singaporeans but also every human being is my concern but as I am a Singaporean by birth, naturally I am more concerned with the plight of Singaporeans.
Today, not only the West but every country including ASEAN and Singapore is seen to move towards more human rights, as seen by human rights issues becoming more prominent in ASEAN and other Asian countries. This is evidenced by organs such as the Law Society of Singapore, and other organizations becoming more concerned with human rights affairs. The Law Society of Singapore has recently set up a human rights committee confirming the great interest in this area.
In the US where I come from, the judiciary just as any other government or official body is open to criticism and they accept it as necessary for the advancement and improvement of the administration of justice.
My blog was written as a message to the world about my views of matters of public interest. I have been accused of sending Emails to Judge Belinda Ang and others but this is not true. I did not at anytime send any Emails to Judge Belinda Ang or anyone else as far as this incident is concerned. The police had seized my notebook containing my Email password and my blog access.
In the Lee Kuan Yew vs. Dr. Chee Soon Juan et al, case, the assessment of damages against Dr. Chee was going to be heard between May 26 2008 to May 28 2008 in the High Court in Singapore, I made arrangements to come to Singapore to attend the hearing. I am a Singapore patriot at heart and whatever I have done and do as regards my activities relating the future of Singapore is because I care for Singapore and Singaporeans. I worry about the future of Singapore and Singaporeans and am always on the lookout to see where and how I can be of assistance for the welfare and interest of Singaporeans.
In Singapore I attended the said hearing at the High Court as an observer in the gallery from May 26 2008 to May 28 2008 attending every hearing entirely.
During the High Court hearing, I found Judge Belinda Ang to be completely unfair and prejudicial to the interests of Dr. Chee, Chee Siok Chin and the SDP. Almost every question put by Dr. Chee, Chee Siok Chin and Ravi on behalf of the SDP were disallowed and each and every question put up by the lawyer for Lee Kuan Yew and his son were invariably allowed. Almost every objection raised by the lawyer for Lee Kuan Yew was sustained, keeping in mind that the lawyer for Lee Kuan Yew and son, objected to almost every question that Dr. Chee and company raised.
To state plainly, Dr. Chee and his company was denied the right to cross-examine the Plaintiffs in any meaningful way. In fact we could go even further and say that he and Siok Chin were denied the right to cross-examine Lee and Son almost entirely. In fact if Dr. Chee managed to put any questions to Lee and Son, it was over the refusal of Judge Belinda Ang to allow the questions, so much so that Judge Belinda Ang had to repeatedly prevent Dr. Chee and Siok Chin from conducting any meaningful cross examination.
My honest observation of the entire 3 days left me in no doubt at all that this Judge was clearly unfair towards Dr. Chee and Siok Chin and she did not appear to conduct herself as an impartial judge in court sitting in judgment between the parties.
Having seen this, there was a compelling need for me to tell the world what I saw, and not publicizing this would be denying the right of Singaporeans to know the truth of what happened in court during the 3 said days; and it was also necessary for me as a human being, to make it public and to the world what this court actually was, since they would not have had the luxury of being in court during the 3 days.