James Gomez is still liar, dishonest MM Lee
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Originally posted by pigsticker:
politics is never about playing fair...
do you think when the opposition gets to be the government, they won't play dirty tricks?? no government in power will make the playing field level.. it's dumb....
this is not to say i approve of PAP's actions.. but this is the way of politics...
how do you think George Bush Jr. got to be president the first time round?? it's all cos his little brother managed to gift the state of Florida to him....
Just what I have been trying to impress in this forum long time ago.
In choosing a government we choose the best of the worst. An analogy I gave some time ago was about packaged suntan (coconut milk squeezed from gratings)
An acomplished cook told me that all the packaged suntan are lousy, but she pick the Kara brand because it is the best of the lot.
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Originally posted by pigsticker:
politics is never about playing fair...
do you think when the opposition gets to be the government, they won't play dirty tricks?? no government in power will make the playing field level.. it's dumb....
this is not to say i approve of PAP's actions.. but this is the way of politics...
how do you think George Bush Jr. got to be president the first time round?? it's all cos his little brother managed to gift the state of Florida to him....
That is still a speculation (unknown), whereas the P4P's case is a fact.All the more reason to vote in more opposition to have a balance of power, where no single party has an overwhelming majority to single handedly pass laws and amend constitution.
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Originally posted by pigsticker:
politics is never about playing fair...
do you think when the opposition gets to be the government, they won't play dirty tricks?? no government in power will make the playing field level.. it's dumb....
this is not to say i approve of PAP's actions.. but this is the way of politics...
how do you think George Bush Jr. got to be president the first time round?? it's all cos his little brother managed to gift the state of Florida to him....
ya. i agreed too that this is the way of politics.
make oppositions look as bad as possible and make themselves look as good as possible even if they did something wrong. just lie low for a few weeks and most people would have forgotten about it.
how many people are able to notice that this is what pap is doing?
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Originally posted by eagle:
It was a honest mistake.
If you can believe that, you deserve to be cheated :) -
Don't forget that someone said that they needed to raise GST by 2% and then lower corporate taxes by 2% raise their own salaries by more than 20% and announce that the budget surplus was $6 billion.
The Despots are Dishonorable to the hilt!
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Originally posted by mancha:
Why MM Lee in China suddenly think of James Gomez?
Manchu and to googoomuck, it is NOT MM Lee who SUDDENLY thought of Slimey james or raise the issue again. The threadstarter either 'INTENTIONALLY or unintentionally' left out the date of the post, which was years ago.IF, and i said it with a big IF, it was intentional, then it was done to make it seem like MM Lee is raising the 'accountability' issue today, that MP Low TH should resign over his craven member Slmey james despicable act, so as to prove MM Lee's assumed double standard of not firing DPM Wong.
The actual fact was that even MM Lee did not raise the accountability issue after the elections, nor got MP Low to resign after all these years, and even praised him.
But now, some here who accuse MM Lee all kinds of bad stuff are practising double standards, wanting to hang someone even if it was not his fault, and even attempting to FOOL others to join in their reckless game, a game in which real lives, many lives, outside the corridors of power, will get hurt.
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Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:
Don't forget that someone said that they needed to raise GST by 2% and then lower corporate taxes by 2% raise their own salaries by more than 20% and announce that the budget surplus was $6 billion.
The Despots are Dishonorable to the hilt!
Andrew, i thought this thread is about Slimey James?
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Originally posted by robertteh:
Point_blank,
You failed to reply me and went on to condemn Gomez as slimy. If Gomez is prevented to stand for election by GRC or defamation suits of this kind we are seeing here then who is more slimy?
You claim i failed to reply you. Your question:
Please define dishonesty or lies in Singapore context. Who dictates lies, cheats, dishonesty ? Is such standards set by the judge or the court or is it set by the power that be in all the political defamation suits. Just play back the tapes please.
My reply:-
Are there differences in moral standards?!!! Have you lost yours??? While there is no perfection, there is still a minimum standard and if you think slimey james is of good moral character, then i certainly dare not imagine you at your worst!
Is this good enough, or do you want to extrapolate more for your understanding?
If Gomez is prevented to stand for election by GRC or defamation suits of this kind we are seeing here then who is more slimy?
First of all, defamation is to slander against someone without evidence. Whether in politics or in working life, would you accept it if someone accuses you of being, example;- a child molester, without evidence? You would probably punch the daylights outta him, or if you are civilised, sue him and make him pay.
How more, ministers who administers over us, MUST clear their reputation and name, more so when there is US$300 billion in the kitty?
Do you think the ministers enjoys such suits? They have a country to run, people to take care of, solutions to find, where got time to challenge everyone of them? So the best - Summary judgement to asses if there is evidence, and if not, fine them to the HILT, to stop such nutcases from wasting the PEOPLE's time.
It sickens one to see such defamation suits, but the opposition STILL DO NOT learn, and continue to act, talk without evidences. So who is more slimey - the one who defames, or the one who trys to clear his name?
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Originally posted by Point_blank:
Manchu and to googoomuck, it is NOT MM Lee who SUDDENLY thought of Slimey james or raise the issue again. The threadstarter either 'INTENTIONALLY or unintentionally' left out the date of the post, which was years ago.IF, and i said it with a big IF, it was intentional, then it was done to make it seem like MM Lee is raising the 'accountability' issue today, that MP Low TH should resign over his craven member Slmey james despicable act, so as to prove MM Lee's assumed double standard of not firing DPM Wong.
The actual fact was that even MM Lee did not raise the accountability issue after the elections, nor got MP Low to resign after all these years, and even praised him.
But now, some here who accuse MM Lee all kinds of bad stuff are practising double standards, wanting to hang someone even if it was not his fault, and even attempting to FOOL others to join in their reckless game, a game in which real lives, many lives, outside the corridors of power, will get hurt.
Somehow, you are comparing a pre-election issue (and Gomez having left Singapore and WP) involving merely an application
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an post-election issue that concerns national security
Surely you can tell the difference in the seriousness for both events. It's like comparing an issue of forgetting to submit an exam paper vs an issue of failing to detect that a bomb has been placed at some major shopping centre.
Don't try to compare a lizard vs a crocodile, then tell us that the accountability in both instances are similar. You make no sense.
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Originally posted by Atobe:
Did you review the CCTV footage, or were you depending on what was reported ?
How do you know what transpired from the time everyone were present facing each other at the counter - the ELD official or officials with James Gomez and Sylvia Lim - until the point that no one was there that got James Gomez to place the forms in the envelope, then the envelope into his attached case ?
What were the events during that moment that caused the distraction, and which got everyone away - leaving James alone ?
Was the footage replayed with the recorded sound, or was the recorded sound turned off and viewers attention was led through the footage by a "voice over guide" ?
What gain can James Gomez acheive by messing up his nomination papers - surely not to create a situation that he cannot stand for election ?
Why should the word ''consequences" be viewed as a threat ?
How do you infer from a CCTV footage the intention of a person to cheat ?
The act of robbery with a gun captured on CCTV is obvious - how does your ingenius mind infer from a CCTV footage the intent of a person ?
LKY did criticis Sylvia Lim and Low Thia Kiang for suggesting that ''we should move on after James Gomez had offered an apology'' - yet LKY demanded that the WP leadership should do more than just to allow James Gomez to apologise and propose for Singapore to "move on".
Is Wong Kan Seng's responsibility not greater in the complacent manner of sheer over confidence that his Home Affairs Ministry is managed - which resulted in the escape of Mas Selamat Kastari ?
Surely, MSK escape is more damaging to Singapore's security and reputation than James Gomez accusation of inefficiency at the ELD ?
It was LKY's public statement that Singaporeans should learn from the Japanese ways in which the Leadership accepts accountability for the mishaps of their subordinates.
Unfortunately, his comments were intended for Singaporeans to follow, and not to be applied to himself or his own.
Has LKY never make a mistake in his life time that he wished he had never made ?
Surely his error of judgment in laughing at Chiam See Tong's O-Level Grade at a noon time Election Rally at Fullerton Square was one of a few such gaffs that he has made in his 50 odd years as a politician ?
Did he ever make a public apology to his insulting comments towards all the O-Level Singaporeans - insinuating that they cannot be compared to the talents similar to his breed of University educated genes ?
Asswipe Atobe, go on and muddle the waters, twist the facts.The fact is clear, and even you admitted it:-
''we should move on after James Gomez had offered an apology''
If they had not created such a despicable and reprehensible act, would the stubborn opposition political party made an apology?
ARE YOU BLIND OR PLAIN STUPID, ASSWIPE ATOBE?
Don't try to change the facts. Arguing for the sake of arguing is an absolute waste of time. No matter how many thousands of words you use, FACTS CANNOT BE CHANGED.
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Originally posted by eagle:
Somehow, you are comparing a pre-election issue (and Gomez having left Singapore and WP) involving merely an application
vs
an post-election issue that concerns national security
Surely you can tell the difference in the seriousness for both events. It's like comparing an issue of forgetting to submit an exam paper vs an issue of failing to detect that a bomb has been placed at some major shopping centre.
Don't try to compare a lizard vs a crocodile, then tell us that the accountability in both instances are similar. You make no sense.
Then you are making worse sense. Have you lost your mind?! -
Originally posted by eagle:
Somehow, you are comparing a pre-election issue (and Gomez having left Singapore and WP) involving merely an application
vs
an post-election issue that concerns national security
Surely you can tell the difference in the seriousness for both events. It's like comparing an issue of forgetting to submit an exam paper vs an issue of failing to detect that a bomb has been placed at some major shopping centre.
Don't try to compare a lizard vs a crocodile, then tell us that the accountability in both instances are similar. You make no sense.
His analogies only make sense to him.
Using a parent - child analogy to compare with the accountability of the government in the detention escape.
It smacks of the typical way the people at the top does things - to divert attention to minor errors of the opposition while downplaying big errors by the people at the top in the hopes that people will focus on the wrong thing.
It's a political thing that you just have to accept here.
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Originally posted by Point_blank:
Then you are making worse sense. Have you lost your mind?!Is that all you can say to defend the argument put forth to you?
This isn't the first time that when a logical post was put forth to you, you resort to attacking immediately with zero reason at all.
You have to explain your claim why I make worse sense, not just state it.
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Originally posted by charlize:
His analogies only make sense to him.
Using a parent - child analogy to compare with the accountability of the government in the detention escape.
It smacks of the typical way the people at the top does things - to divert attention to minor errors of the opposition while downplaying big errors by the people at the top in the hopes that people will focus on the wrong thing.
It's a political thing that you just have to accept here.
It wasn't very long ago that someone mentioned logic holds and call others irrational.
Now this someone cannot handle the logic posted to him, and gave an irrational and irrelevant reply.
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Originally posted by eagle:
Is that all you can say to defend the argument put forth to you?
This isn't the first time that when a logical post was put forth to you, you resort to attacking immediately with zero reason at all.
You have to explain your claim why I make worse sense, not just state it.
I am not your keeper. Go figure it out yourself. I don't deal with harmless irrational mind except to tell you as you are -
Originally posted by eagle:
It wasn't very long ago that someone mentioned logic holds and call others irrational.
Now this someone cannot handle the logic posted to him, and gave an irrational and irrelevant reply.
i think in this case, his edginess contributed to his irrational mumblings.
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Originally posted by redDUST:
i think in this case, his edginess contributed to his irrational mumblings.
lol! and you sound rational then? I stand and let others judge as they will. Not many are as foolish or stupid as some of you think they are. -
Originally posted by Point_blank:
lol! and you sound rational then? I stand and let others judge as they will. Not many are as foolish or stupid as some of you think they are.sure.....i think some already took their stand. me too.
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Originally posted by Point_blank:
lol! and you sound rational then? I stand and let others judge as they will. Not many are as foolish or stupid as some of you think they are.lol
Pray see how many have already judged you in this thread. Hmmm... wonder who was the one who said should respect the majority (votes/voices/posts)...
Everyone has already saw that when confronted with logic, you simply retort with an irrational attack that has no grounds, no basis, no support and no reason.
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Originally posted by Point_blank:
I am not your keeper. Go figure it out yourself. I don't deal with harmless irrational mind except to tell you as you areThis just proves what I have said above.
Wasn't long ago someone just posted this
Talk all the crap you want. Use arrogance to cover up for your ignorance and perfidy. BUT SHOW ME THE EVIDENCES OF YOUR ALLEGATIONS. Afterall, you were the one who made these allegations.
Double standards.
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What I find scary is that the current defamation court case coincides with the sudden increase in new members in sgforums starting to defend the incumbent party.
Urban legend?
Think again.
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Sudden increase in May accounts
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While there was CCTV footage of him taking the forms back, can one be 100% sure he did it to intentionally defraud the elections department? How can one be 100% sure it is not an honest mistake?
Besides, the judge of a character cannot be based on 1 doubtful incident. To accuse James gomez, "diposed to lie, cheat or steal" is a character assassination, dirty politics.
James Gomez is innocent until proven guilty. I doubt MM has a case even if the AG brings the case to prosecution, The inability to prove James Gomez to be guilty without doubts proves his innocence.The benefit of the doubt should be given.
With due respect to the contributions of MM to Singapore, if he persist in playing dirty politics, he is harming the country's future by preventing good candidates from coming forward as alternatives.
Singaporeans should act as referees in future elections. If the opposition plays dirty politics, they should be punished with withdrawal of support. Similary, if MM blatantly plays dirty politics, Singaporeans should safeguard the future of Singapore by doing the right thing.
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Originally posted by kilua:
While there was CCTV footage of him taking the forms back, can one be 100% sure he did it to intentionally defraud the elections department? How can one be 100% sure is not an honest mistake?
Besides, the judge of a character cannot be based on 1 doubtful incident. To accuse James gomez, "diposed to lie, cheat or steal" is a character assassination, dirty politics.
James Gomez is innocent until proven guilty. I doubt MM has a case even if the AG brings the case to prosecution, The inability to prove James Gomez to be guilty without doubts proves his innocence.The benefit of the doubt should be given.
With due respect to the contributions of MM to Singapore, if he persist in playing dirty politics, he is harming the country's future by preventing good candidates from coming forward as an alternatives.
Singaporeans should act as referees in future elections. If the opposition plays ditry politics, they should be punished with withdrawal of support. Similary, if MM blantly plays dirty politics, Singapporeans should safeguard the future of Singapore by doing the right thing.
huh! election also got referee one meh??? i volunteer!!!!! but if opposition wins, me sure got problem, better not. -
Originally posted by angel7030:
huh! election also got referee one meh??? i volunteer!!!!! but if opposition wins, me sure got problem, better not.
Of course there is. For example, Hillary Clinton lost big time with her supporters when she tried to play the race card against Barack Obama.