James Gomez is still liar, dishonest MM Lee
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Point Blank, I think what u said is illogical. Dont bull shit here
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Originally posted by t_a_s:
Point Blank, I think what u said is illogical. Dont bull shit here
Okay, so what was it i said 'illogical' and that was 'bull shit'? I repost to make it easier for you.
Poh, this thread is about Slimey james. Rather than to tell you off about the relevance of your case to that of slimey's, i will instead let you differentiate yourself between the 2.
What Slimey james had done was nothing more than an attempt to smear the ruling party through underhand means. It was to show that he did go the election office to register his application for candidacy.
And then to claim that he was denied the chance to run should the election department claims there was no entry of his application - implying that the election department are at fraud, which was why he cunningly stuff that application form into his bag instead of submitting it.
Fortunately, CCTV cameras caught his act red-handed. This is no honest or simple mistake, but a deliberate act to undermine our elections and trust in the election department.
Personally, i may forgive him over time for the cheating, for i am a rational and forgiving person, BUT I CANNOT FORGIVE HIM FOR ATTEMPTING TO SACRIFICE THE ELD OFFICER FOR HIS OWN PERSONAL MOTIVE TO GET SYMPATHY AND ELECTED!
Can you imagine what would have had happened if there were no CCTV evidence? The ELD officer, our fellow Singaporean, would be accountable and charged, and would be made out of job, not of his fault, but by the con artiste Slimey james.
Already, even before he begins his public career, he had proven his craveness and readiness to sacrifice others for his own personal gains, what more will happen when fools elect him or like some now, still protecting his memory?
Some here claim the ruling party of wrong-doings, fraud and all kinds of allegations without evidences, some even years back, yet here is one outright fraud caught on camera, with real life at stake, they would rather turn a blind eye. Have we all lost sight of truth and reality? -
CCTVs can catch opposition members' slipups.
But cannot catch a dangerous terrorist escaping from a detention centre.
Talk about priorities.
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Originally posted by kilua:
While there was CCTV footage of him taking the forms back, can one be 100% sure he did it to intentionally defraud the elections department? How can one be 100% sure it is not an honest mistake?
Besides, the judge of a character cannot be based on 1 doubtful incident. To accuse James gomez, "diposed to lie, cheat or steal" is a character assassination, dirty politics.
James Gomez is innocent until proven guilty. I doubt MM has a case even if the AG brings the case to prosecution, The inability to prove James Gomez to be guilty without doubts proves his innocence.The benefit of the doubt should be given.
With due respect to the contributions of MM to Singapore, if he persist in playing dirty politics, he is harming the country's future by preventing good candidates from coming forward as alternatives.
Singaporeans should act as referees in future elections. If the opposition plays dirty politics, they should be punished with withdrawal of support. Similary, if MM blatantly plays dirty politics, Singaporeans should safeguard the future of Singapore by doing the right thing.
Did he or did he not apologize for his despicable act? Did MP Low TK who had reviewed his case did or did not apologise on behalf of his party for such reprehensible act?Why persist and continue to make Slimey james as some god when he has proven by his own admission only a demon? And why continue to accuse MM Lee for dirty politics when the only one playing dirty politics is the WP member Slimey james?
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Cheng San GRC incident?
That is even worst.
PAP also dirty and dirtier.
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Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:
Cheng San GRC incident?
That is even worst.
PAP also dirty and dirtier.
that MM's son is taking care of which constituency? -
Why people despise PAP:
Ang Mo Kio Group Representation Constituency (Simplified Chinese: �茂桥集选区) is a six-member Group Representation Constituency (GRC) in the north eastern region of Singapore. The constituency encompasses the majority of Ang Mo Kio, Teck Ghee, Kebun Baru, Yio Chu Kang, Jalan Kayu, Seletar Hills, part of Serangoon North, the western portion of Sengkang - Fernvale, Anchorvale and the southern portion of Yishun - Nee Soon South. In the 2001 general election, the constituency was enlarged to include most parts of the Cheng San Group Representation Constituency...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ang_Mo_Kio_Group_Representation_Constituency
11. Plainly, a person inside a polling station cannot be said to be within a radius of 200 metres of a polling station.
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Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:
point_blank, what is your opinion on Cheng San GRC incident?
Tell you what, Poh, since you want to talk about even further back incident than the one TS started, why not dredge all the WAY BACK to the 50s?I am sure you would have more juicy tidbits about MM Lee during those chaotic, turbulent and dangerous times, where he had to sacrifice much for the survival sake of a mostly uneducated PEOPLE largely chinese with menial or little jobs to forge a truly multiracial nation.
I am sure there will be many things that would make good fodder to gripe amongst our young, who now sitting comfortably with a nice roof at home with aircon, internet access to the world, jobs avaliable, opportunities galore for the hardworking and smart, education and continual education subsidized and so much more, compared to the Myanmar folks who have to eat frogs and longkang fish for meals.
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Originally posted by kilua:
While there was CCTV footage of him taking the forms back, can one be 100% sure he did it to intentionally defraud the elections department? How can one be 100% sure it is not an honest mistake?
Besides, the judge of a character cannot be based on 1 doubtful incident. To accuse James gomez, "diposed to lie, cheat or steal" is a character assassination, dirty politics.
James Gomez is innocent until proven guilty. I doubt MM has a case even if the AG brings the case to prosecution, The inability to prove James Gomez to be guilty without doubts proves his innocence.The benefit of the doubt should be given.
With due respect to the contributions of MM to Singapore, if he persist in playing dirty politics, he is harming the country's future by preventing good candidates from coming forward as alternatives.
Singaporeans should act as referees in future elections. If the opposition plays dirty politics, they should be punished with withdrawal of support. Similary, if MM blatantly plays dirty politics, Singaporeans should safeguard the future of Singapore by doing the right thing.
let me add my 2 cts worth. mmlee was trying to instigate gomez to sue him by calling him a cheat a liar, he even repeated this accusation a few times in public...
gomez has a golden chance to clear his name if he has no intention to cheat or it cant be proven in the court, but he didnt seize the day.... he let it by... isnt this behaviour pattern consistent of someone who is afraid that the accusation is indeed true??? since then he has quietly vanished away as he has been exposed. case closed!
Singaporeans should act as referees in future elections. If the opposition plays dirty politics, they should be punished with withdrawal of support.
i like yr stt. but why r we still with gomez if he does not want to clear his name. r we pretending we noe the man best??
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I am sure you would have more juicy tidbits about MM Lee during those chaotic
Lim Chin Siong vs Lee Kuan Yew: The true and shocking history
http://singaporedemocrat.org/articlelimchinsionghistory_intro.html
http://singaporedemocrat.org/articlelimchinsionghistory_part1.html
Said Zahari's 17 years
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The question I have is
why is there even a need to apply for minority certificate? An extremely large proportion of the electorate have eyes to see and judge.
Do the citizens of multi-racial Singapore (who claims to have good racial harmony) really need a minority certificates to know whether the candidate is from the minority?
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Originally posted by Point_blank:
Okay, so what was it i said 'illogical' and that was 'bull shit'? I repost to make it easier for you.
Poh, this thread is about Slimey james. Rather than to tell you off about the relevance of your case to that of slimey's, i will instead let you differentiate yourself between the 2.
What Slimey james had done was nothing more than an attempt to smear the ruling party through underhand means. It was to show that he did go the election office to register his application for candidacy.
And then to claim that he was denied the chance to run should the election department claims there was no entry of his application - implying that the election department are at fraud, which was why he cunningly stuff that application form into his bag instead of submitting it.
Fortunately, CCTV cameras caught his act red-handed. This is no honest or simple mistake, but a deliberate act to undermine our elections and trust in the election department.
Personally, i may forgive him over time for the cheating, for i am a rational and forgiving person, BUT I CANNOT FORGIVE HIM FOR ATTEMPTING TO SACRIFICE THE ELD OFFICER FOR HIS OWN PERSONAL MOTIVE TO GET SYMPATHY AND ELECTED!
Can you imagine what would have had happened if there were no CCTV evidence? The ELD officer, our fellow Singaporean, would be accountable and charged, and would be made out of job, not of his fault, but by the con artiste Slimey james.
Already, even before he begins his public career, he had proven his craveness and readiness to sacrifice others for his own personal gains, what more will happen when fools elect him or like some now, still protecting his memory?
Some here claim the ruling party of wrong-doings, fraud and all kinds of allegations without evidences, some even years back, yet here is one outright fraud caught on camera, with real life at stake, they would rather turn a blind eye. Have we all lost sight of truth and reality?Somehow, you missed listing your illogical comparison of accountability between the James Gomez case and the Mas Selamat case in your aforementioned post.
I shall also repost your statement to make it easier for you:
After years, even MM Lee had let the issue died down, MP Low TH still in office, so what's this 'accountability' some people are asking for the removal of DPM Wong?
You accused and attempted to secure evidence for claims made by others. Yet you failed again and again to give evidence for your comparison, but instead, feebly attempt to defend your illogical stand by posting attacks. You are merely a hypocrite who practice double standards.
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Originally posted by Point_blank:
Asswipe Atobe, go on and muddle the waters, twist the facts.The fact is clear, and even you admitted it:-
''we should move on after James Gomez had offered an apology''
If they had not created such a despicable and reprehensible act, would the stubborn opposition political party made an apology?
ARE YOU BLIND OR PLAIN STUPID, ASSWIPE ATOBE?
Don't try to change the facts. Arguing for the sake of arguing is an absolute waste of time. No matter how many thousands of words you use, FACTS CANNOT BE CHANGED.
""FACTS CANNOT BE CHANGED'' ?
Are you not changing the facts that it was James Gomez who had apologised for his own errors and not the Opposition political party who apologised - as stated in the fourth paragraph of your post ?
Did you change the facts of what had occurred, or did you made an honest 'Point_blank' mistake in mixing up your details or words chosen - in the same way that James Gomez did with his papers in Election 2006 ?
Should we call you slimey too ? Perhaps even blatantly dispose to being unabashedly 'Point_blank' dishonest ?
Clearly you have been agitated by being constantly exposed for your naive political thinking, and in the course got your pompous ass {arse} swiped by me repeatedly, which explains for your single minded vulgarity in debating with me when you have no substance to offer from the very beginning.
Muddle the water for others, or did I clear away the coarse silt that you have further agitated in the footstep of your favorite God Father ?
Blind or Stupid ?
Me ?
Was it not proven repeatedly that you are the silly and naive fool who try so very hard to emulate the style of the God Father, but have been repeatedly exposed to be potent at making only loud 'point_blank' noises ?
Now besides being silly, and stupidly naive, you have also become conveniently blind to what I have posted in my reply on 1 June 2008 2.03 AM on Page 1 of this Thread.
Does it make your points any more substantive with your juvenile vulgarity and insulting words ?
If at all, from your short irrelevant response filled with more vulgarity and insults than clear precise rebuttals to each points in my post - all of which do not address the honest points fired without any blanks to you - already show that you have surrendered your position to the better points of arguments that I have posted, and your reply is only expressions of agitated frustration to your hopeless 'Point_blank' positon.
Asswipe Atobe ?.
Thanks for the accolade, and it was fun treating you as an ass, and take more swipes at your pathetically sore arse or ass.after all the lashing that has been administered on you..
The jokes on you, and you seem to be unable to hold it down.
You should have been more serious about announcing your "absence for a long while" - as you last mentioned this a week ago.
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Originally posted by Atobe:
""FACTS CANNOT BE CHANGED'' ?
Are you not changing the facts that it was James Gomez who had apologised for his own errors and not the Opposition political party who apologised - as stated in the fourth paragraph of your post ?
Did you change the facts of what had occurred, or did you made an honest 'Point_blank' mistake in mixing up your details or words chosen - in the same way that James Gomez did with his papers in Election 2006 ?
Should we call you slimey too ? Perhaps even blatantly dispose to being unabashedly 'Point_blank' dishonest ?
Clearly you have been agitated by being constantly exposed for your naive political thinking, and in the course got your pompous ass {arse} swiped by me repeatedly, which explains for your single minded vulgarity in debating with me when you have no substance to offer from the very beginning.
Muddle the water for others, or did I clear away the coarse silt that you have further agitated in the footstep of your favorite God Father ?
Blind or Stupid ?
Me ?
Was it not proven repeatedly that you are the silly and naive fool who try so very hard to emulate the style of the God Father, but have been repeatedly exposed to be potent at making only loud 'point_blank' noises ?
Now besides being silly, and stupidly naive, you have also become conveniently blind to what I have posted in my reply on 1 June 2008 2.03 AM on Page 1 of this Thread.
Does it make your points any more substantive with your juvenile vulgarity and insulting words ?
If at all, from your short irrelevant response filled with more vulgarity and insults than clear precise rebuttals to each points in my post - all of which do not address the honest points fired without any blanks to you - already show that you have surrendered your position to the better points of arguments that I have posted, and your reply is only expressions of agitated frustration to your hopeless 'Point_blank' positon.
Asswipe Atobe ?.
Thanks for the accolade, and it was fun treating you as an ass, and take more swipes at your pathetically sore arse or ass.after all the lashing that has been administered on you..
The jokes on you, and you seem to be unable to hold it down.
You should have been more serious about announcing your "absence for a long while" - as you last mentioned this a week ago.
Asswipe Atobe, I was at the WP rally on 29th April 2006 at Nee Soon East. MP Low TK stood beside Slimey James who read a prepared legal drafted statement of apology, address to the crowd and media.MP Low TK then, flanked by the election hustings and paraphanelia of his party, addressed the crowd, in mandarin:-
"After the unpleasant incident between Gomez and the Election Dept, I asked Mr Gomez about the details leading to and following the incident. I think this was the PAP’s making a mountain out of a molehill. Of course, I am responsible, no problem..."Is this an apology to us, Singaporeans, enough? Are you claiming MP Low is not assuring the citizens of an error that had occured by a member of his party? He being 'responsible' was a political dirty trick to the crowd to calm them? BUT WAIT! You will claim it is not an apology, simply because you will be willing to sacrifice WP for your own ego and ends.
Why go to the ELD office if not to file and submit the certificate? If Slimey james claims he is busy, why go there in the first place? Honest mistake? lol! what does he take us all for, fools like you, Asswipe Atobe? And why apologise to the country if he did not admit he had done wrong?
So did i change the facts, or had I once again proven your despical attempts to change facts to suit your pathetic ego? I had consistantly provided evidences to back my claims, yet you continue to talk crap and evade backing up your allegations, are you mentally challenged and need psychology help?
You are as willfully blind as you are mentally challenged, Asswipe Atobe!
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Originally posted by eagle:
Somehow, you missed listing your illogical comparison of accountability between the James Gomez case and the Mas Selamat case in your aforementioned post.
I shall also repost your statement to make it easier for you:
You accused and attempted to secure evidence for claims made by others. Yet you failed again and again to give evidence for your comparison, but instead, feebly attempt to defend your illogical stand by posting attacks. You are merely a hypocrite who practice double standards.
What the hell are you talking about? Can you please make some sense? oh...i forgot, one can't expect sense from a senseless person. :-P -
Originally posted by Point_blank:
What the hell are you talking about? Can you please make some sense? oh...i forgot, one can't expect sense from a senseless person. :-Pdidn't u realise u are the only one here who can't comprehend it? Pls look back at the previous pages to see that others understood my post.
perhaps your intelligence is a tad too low to even barely understand what most of us here could see
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Originally posted by Point_blank:
What the hell are you talking about? Can you please make some sense? oh...i forgot, one can't expect sense from a senseless person. :-PHahaha....dont waste you time with this liar.
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Originally posted by Bentsb05:
i like yr stt. but why r we still with gomez if he does not want to clear his name. r we pretending we noe the man best??
Er.. Clearing his name would be equivalent to
1. Challenging the most powerful man in Singapore
2. He can expect fair and unbiased coverage from the states times.
3. He has to ensure all his forms and paperwork in his entire lifespan are filled correctly e.g. IRAS, MOE records. Otherwise we would get fair and unbiased coverage from the states times again.
The burden of proof is on MM. James Gomez is innocent until proven guilty, not guilty until proven innocent. Dont ask James to prove his innocence, ask the AG to prove he is guilty without doubts.
Being unable to prove James gomez is guilty without doubts, it raises the question if MM calls someone a liar or dishonest, is it the truth, or is it just politics?
Originally posted by:Point_blank
Did he or did he not apologize for his despicable act? Did MP Low TK who had reviewed his case did or did not apologise on behalf of his party for such reprehensible act?James gomez apologised for an honest mistake, not for intention to defraud the election department.
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Originally posted by kilua:
Er.. Clearing his name would be equivalent to
1. Challenging the most powerful man in Singapore
2. He can expect fair and unbiased coverage from the states times.
3. He has to ensure all his forms and paperwork in his entire lifespan are filled correctly e.g. IRAS, MOE records. Otherwise we would get fair and unbiased coverage from the states times again.
The burden of proof is on MM. James Gomez is innocent until proven guilty, not guilty until proven innocent. Dont ask James to prove his innocence, ask the AG to prove he is guilty without doubts.
Being unable to prove James gomez is guilty without doubts, it raises the question if MM calls someone a liar or dishonest, is it the truth, or is it just politics?
Originally posted by:Point_blank
Did he or did he not apologize for his despicable act? Did MP Low TK who had reviewed his case did or did not apologise on behalf of his party for such reprehensible act?James gomez apologised for an honest mistake, not for intention to defraud the election department.
You are entitled to your beliefs, if such is your belief system and WANT TO BELIEVE Slimey james is innocent. Just as some believe there are UFOs, Aliens, etc , and Elvis is still alive. -
Originally posted by Aelop:
Hahaha....dont waste you time with this liar.
Thanks for the good advice. Not much here though.
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Slimey james is innocent.
What are you alleging against James Gomez?
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Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:
What are you alleging against James Gomez?
Are you refering to me? Poh,his despicable act is no allegations but a fact, with recorded evidences. I can't help you further if you WANT TO BELIEVE he is innocent.And please don't tell me this is state controlled media, for you will only be alleging that the police, public prosecutor and the ELD reported statements are lies, and that is a serious allegation.
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporelocalnews/view/207972/1/.html
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So you allege that James Gomez threatened a public servant? The two faces of Gomez:
Guess which one published by state propaganda media?
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Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:
So you allege that James Gomez threatened a public servant? The two faces of Gomez:
Guess which one published by state propaganda media?
Are you addressing me? If not i need not reply, but in the event you and despicable others claim i am evading you, here's my reply.Allegation definition:-
- To assert to be true; affirm: alleging his innocence of the charge.
- To assert without or before proof: The indictment alleges that the commissioner took bribes.
- To state (a plea or excuse, for example) in support or denial of a claim or accusation: The defendant alleges temporary insanity.
In equal measure, you are alleging he is innocent. Is he? Where is the evidence? Is he prepared to defend himself? You posted his blog, and did you see any evidence he is prepared to fight for his innocence?
Whereelse the allegations of his misconduct has irrefutable evidences that should the authorities choose to press charges, they could.
Charge him, waste the court's time, and you claim the authorities are heavy handed. Don't charge, and you claim he is innocent even when the facts and evidences are placed before your eyes.
What do you really want? Spread anarchy?
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So you allege that James Gomez threatened a public servant?
Korrect or not?
Workers' Party member James Gomez has been let off with a stern warning for threatening an Elections Department officer, ending a three-week-long saga...
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporelocalnews/view/207972/1/.html
State propaganda media so nice, James Gomez make saga, Mr Wong Mas Salamat debacle no saga.
So why no Lee Kuan Yew/Chee Soon Juan saga?
TV boring leh.