James Gomez is still liar, dishonest MM Lee
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Opposition members all make saga.
PAP all no make saga.
Don't like that lah state media.
I want to watch PAP saga!
PAP saga!
PAP saga!
PAP saga!
I want Lee Kuan Yew/Chee Soon Juan court saga!
state propaganda media make make make!
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Originally posted by Point_blank:
Thanks for the good advice. Not much here though.
This reply to Aelop seriously lowers your credibility even further, even after you failed continuously to answer to your illogical statement. -
State propaganda media, please please please, make the Lee Kuan Yew/Chee soon Juan court saga.
I want to watch.
Please please please.
I want to see how Chee Soon Juan fuck Lee Kuan Yew.
http://singaporerebel.blogspot.com
Okay or not state propaganda media?
Saga or not huh?
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Ang moh political saga you also make wah.
Clinton/Obama saga.
That one ang moh business.
Not my business.
I want local Lee/Chee saga.
Local state media, local saga lah, why ang moh saga?
State propaganda media make make make.
I very good one, I eat frozen meat and potato.
I listen to you, you make saga for me lah.
On bo, state propaganda media, make Chee/Lee saga okay!
On lah!
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The lines of argument are simply amazing and I have to keep my eyes rolling in attempt to digest, nevertheless and alas, I am unable to comprehend.
If one’s integrity is being challenged, there has to be a direct nexus in issues thereto; and the party challenging it must to a certain extent possess a direct relation in pertinence to render the experience viable. All I see are good men pitched to two extreme ends over issues that are simply superfluous and preposterous owing to differences in their respective worldviews and information selectively made available.
The Election Department is an apolitical body, as far as theory goes, and is not and should not be framed as part of the governing party. Any attempt to align the ED as part of the governing party blemishes the integrity of the department per se and concedes the existence of blatant manipulation. Therefore, if the ED is an independent body, as it should be, then the Gomez experience is but an outright human error as there would be no political gain to be achieved from the mistake; however, if the intent to “smear” the governing party through that slip is imputed, it goes on to cast serious doubt about the independence of the ED as an apolitical body. I would prefer that the former situation is true.
Politics are after-all politics and sometimes a wise strategy lies in a simple non-response.
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Originally posted by Tianxiawudi:
The lines of argument are simply amazing and I have to keep my eyes rolling in attempt to digest, nevertheless and alas, I am unable to comprehend.
If one’s integrity is being challenged, there has to be a direct nexus in issues thereto; and the party challenging it must to a certain extent possess a direct relation in pertinence to render the experience viable. All I see are good men pitched to two extreme ends over issues that are simply superfluous and preposterous owing to differences in their respective worldviews and information selectively made available.
The Election Department is an apolitical body, as far as theory goes, and is not and should not be framed as part of the governing party. Any attempt to align the ED as part of the governing party blemishes the integrity of the department per se and concedes the existence of blatant manipulation. Therefore, if the ED is an independent body, as it should be, then the Gomez experience is but an outright human error as there would be no political gain to be achieved from the mistake; however, if the intent to “smear” the governing party through that slip is imputed, it goes on to cast serious doubt about the independence of the ED as an apolitical body. I would prefer that the former situation is true.
Politics are after-all politics and sometimes a wise strategy lies in a simple non-response.
A nice attempt at an objective view."Therefore, if the ED is an independent body, as it should be, then the Gomez experience is but an outright human error as there would be no political gain to be achieved from the mistake; however, if the intent to “smear” the governing party through that slip is imputed, it goes on to cast serious doubt about the independence of the ED as an apolitical body."
There had never been any doubt about the independence of the ELD. Only the integrity of a political wannabe who threatened an ELD officer for 'misplacing' his application form when he had NEVER intended to submit it in the first place. Should there be no CCTV evidence, who's word would be believed in the often emotionally charged fields of elections prior to voting? An innocent man from that apolitical department would have been held accountable and charged for negligence, there would be serious doubts in the ELD apolitical objectiveness, thru the wilful selfish harm done by one rotten rat - and that is real life and non-political.
Politics are after-all politics and sometimes a wise strategy lies in a simple non-response.
There is also a somewhat similar saying - its better for a fool to remain silent than to open his/her mouth and remove all doubts. ( more so if he/she has no facts to back it up, which is usual amongst political fools )
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What is your allegation against James Gomez point_blank?
Can you state it clearly?
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Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:
What is your allegation against James Gomez point_blank?
Can you state it clearly?
Poh, what is your purpose in that question? State it clearer then all can see your intent and i can give you a brutally honest reply. It would be interesting to up the stakes if you are honest with your reply. You know full well where i stand on this issue, along with many other citizens and none lesser than MM Lee who calls him a liar outright in the media. This is not an evasion. I await your reply.
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I am not sure what are your exact allegations against James Gomez, so I ask you to state it clearly.
What are the allegations against James Gomez?
Please make a post on the exact allegations.
I will then try to find whether there is evidence supporting the allegations.
So what are the allegations against James Gomez?
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Originally posted by kilua:
While there was CCTV footage of him taking the forms back, can one be 100% sure he did it to intentionally defraud the elections department? How can one be 100% sure it is not an honest mistake?
Besides, the judge of a character cannot be based on 1 doubtful incident. To accuse James gomez, "diposed to lie, cheat or steal" is a character assassination, dirty politics.
James Gomez is innocent until proven guilty. I doubt MM has a case even if the AG brings the case to prosecution, The inability to prove James Gomez to be guilty without doubts proves his innocence.The benefit of the doubt should be given.
With due respect to the contributions of MM to Singapore, if he persist in playing dirty politics, he is harming the country's future by preventing good candidates from coming forward as alternatives.
Singaporeans should act as referees in future elections. If the opposition plays dirty politics, they should be punished with withdrawal of support. Similary, if MM blatantly plays dirty politics, Singaporeans should safeguard the future of Singapore by doing the right thing.
Well said! Yawning Bread called that Gomez saga "bicycle theft tactic". It really show the PAP MPs to be very small-minded and deficient of independent thinking when they all jumped in to condemned Gomez. -
Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:
I am not sure what are your exact allegations against James Gomez, so I ask you to state it clearly.
What are the allegations against James Gomez?
Please make a post on the exact allegations.
I will then try to find whether there is evidence supporting the allegations.
So what are the allegations against James Gomez?
'lying and trying to discredit the Elections Department'. Have fun finding such evidences. It should be easy. Give you a clue if you had been sleeping over the past few pages or suffering selective amnesia over things you WANT TO BELIEVE - find his apology. -
Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:
What is your allegation against James Gomez point_blank?
Can you state it clearly?
His allegations can still be counted as reasonable, but definitely not his comparisons between accountabilities in 2 different scenarios, which he till now refused to explain
His credibility is already gone.
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So your allegation is that James Gomez staged the incident with the intent of 'lying and trying to discredit the Elections Department'?
By the way here is James Gomez's apology:
Day 2 of the JG Campaign was pegged by the minority certificate saga. It culminated in an apology that James made at the Nee Soon East rally. Below are James' apology over the issue of the minority candidate nomination form, followed by emails in response to the apology:
I refer to my claim over the submission of the Minority Certificate at the Elections Department on 26th April 2006.
I wish to confirm that I did not submit the said application on 24th April 2006 due to too much distraction caused by the busy schedule leading up to nomination day.
Please accept my sincere apologies if my actions on 26th April 2006 caused any distress or confusion to the staff of the Elections Department.
James Gomez -
Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:
So your allegation is that James Gomez staged the incident with the intent of 'lying and trying to discredit the Elections Department'?
By the way here is James Gomez's apology:
Day 2 of the JG Campaign was pegged by the minority certificate saga. It culminated in an apology that James made at the Nee Soon East rally. Below are James' apology over the issue of the minority candidate nomination form, followed by emails in response to the apology:
I refer to my claim over the submission of the Minority Certificate at the Elections Department on 26th April 2006.
I wish to confirm that I did not submit the said application on 24th April 2006 due to too much distraction caused by the busy schedule leading up to nomination day.
Please accept my sincere apologies if my actions on 26th April 2006 caused any distress or confusion to the staff of the Elections Department.
James Gomez
..and your contention is? -
Originally posted by eagle:
His allegations can still be counted as reasonable, but definitely not his comparisons between accountabilities in 2 different scenarios, which he till now refused to explain
His credibility is already gone.
and your 'credibility' is riding high, just becaused i refused to engage with a simpleton? Please don't make my toes laff. -
Originally posted by Point_blank:
and your 'credibility' is riding high, just becaused i refused to engage with a simpleton? Please don't make my toes laff.
You made a statement that you cannot substantiate. What does that make you? You can answer it yourself.Fancy trying to make others substantiate their statements when you can't do it.
You are merely another hypocrite who practice double standards.
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..and your contention is?
I want to clarify whether you agree with below statement:
So your allegation is that James Gomez deliberately staged the incident in order to use it as a pretext with the specific intent of 'lying and trying to discredit the Elections Department'?
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Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:
I want to clarify whether you agree with below statement:
So your allegation is that James Gomez deliberately staged the incident in order to use it as a pretext with the specific intent of 'lying and trying to discredit the Elections Department'?
No point wasting time with him. He merely insults you when he is caught with his pants down. You can see that he posts just to win at the expense of being labelled an idiot, and not to reason out. -
Originally posted by eagle:
No point wasting time with him. He merely insults you when he is caught with his pants down. You can see that he posts just to win at the expense of being labelled an idiot, and not to reason out.and you post just to win at the expense of being a hero, without any reason to be?
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Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:
I want to clarify whether you agree with below statement:
So your allegation is that James Gomez deliberately staged the incident in order to use it as a pretext with the specific intent of 'lying and trying to discredit the Elections Department'?
ah...get some legal help from your private messages? Yes of course, why else would he kept the form in his bag at the ELD if not there to submit the form? -
Originally posted by Point_blank:
and you post just to win at the expense of being a hero, without any reason to be?
nah, I'm merely asking you to give your logic, but your immediately reply was an attack.Need i repost the history for you to show you how animalistic your behaviour was?
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Yes of course, why else would he kept the form in his bag at the ELD if not there to submit the form?
James Gomez's explanation for that incident:
I wish to confirm that I did not submit the said application on 24th April 2006 due to too much distraction caused by the busy schedule leading up to nomination day.
Your interpretation for that incident is that it was a deliberate plot by James Gomez to smear elections department.
For what is the evidence that shows that the incident is a plot by James Gomez rather than a careless mistake as claimed by James Gomez?
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Originally posted by eagle:
nah, I'm merely asking you to give your logic, but your immediately reply was an attack.Need i repost the history for you to show you how animalistic your behaviour was?
nah, i don't think that would be necessary, for how human behavioural views can i expect from an animal named eagle? -
Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:
James Gomez's explanation for that incident:
I wish to confirm that I did not submit the said application on 24th April 2006 due to too much distraction caused by the busy schedule leading up to nomination day.
Your interpretation for that incident is that it was a deliberate plot by James Gomez to smear elections department.
For what is the evidence that shows that the incident is a plot by James Gomez rather than a careless mistake as claimed by James Gomez?
sigh...Please don't make me repeat, Ah Pak. Why else would he kept the form in his bag at the ELD if not there to submit the form?
Busy excuse? Why go there if busy? Distracted? By what? Were there sexy ladies in low cut blouses there? Small babies for him to kiss? Autograph hunters? what kind of lame excuses does he mean busy or distracted?
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Originally posted by Point_blank:
nah, i don't think that would be necessary, for how human behavioural views can i expect from an animal named eagle?
Seems like you are another pathetic creature who like to play with nicks with the likes of the notorious Gazelle.