Is there a better gov to run Singapore?
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Originally posted by will4:
I think it is not appropriate to compare Singapore govt with other third country. It is tantamount to belittle the Spore govt.
Singapore's success is more directly related to it's geographical location and the race of it's citizens. -
Originally posted by will4:
I think nobody cares about a politician's private life as long as he can deliver good thing to the country. Look at the 1000 locals migrated to other countries, US is one of the favourite destination for immigration. The green card is more precious than Spore blue card.
The reason why they are capable for migrating to overseas is a result of Singapore's government policy. Unless you are telling me that they migrated to overseas to become house keeper.Private life not important? What do you think will happen is PM Lee is spotted driving a Porsche?
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Originally posted by maurizio13:
Singapore's success is more directly related to it's geographical location and the race of it's citizens.
Batam and JB is a stone throw away. Where are they now?Talk is Cheap!!
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Originally posted by maurizio13:
Singapore's success is more directly related to it's geographical location and the race of it's citizens.
U right in this aspect but MM Lee said Spore is an accidental nation. -
Hong Kong govt
above 60+ years old or is disabled, get welfare money every month
no gst
also one of 4 Asian Tiger economies
Quite a number of Asia richest stay there, and earned from there -
Some folks don't understand English.
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Originally posted by eagle:
Hong Kong govt
above 60+ years old or is disabled, get welfare money every month
no gst
also one of 4 Asian Tiger economies
Quite a number of Asia richest stay there, and earned from there
I think for NS policy, South Korea is only two years of active service n the same went to Taiwan. -
PM Lee stays in a condo, top floor, bought over 2 units.
2 bodyguards stand outside the lift to stop anyone unknown from exiting the lift
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Originally posted by will4:
U right in this aspect but MM Lee said Spore is an accidental nation.
Raffles was the first to realise the potential for this city call Singapore, that's why he purchased it from Malaysia.If the success of Singapore is only due to LKY, then I suggest he goes over to Iraq, Afghanistan to help the people there. I think he won't last more than a year there.
Else ask him to lead Indonesia or Malaysia or Philippines, we see how long he last there.
When a country is small like Singapore, it's easier to micro manage. When investment pours in, it increases the well being of all the populace stratified in this small constrain. GDP increases substantially.
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I think you people are looking at this too politically. Think about it, in the beginning even if there is another similarly capable person like LKY, but a more democratic man, to mastermind the shaping of Singapore into what it is today, could anyone of us be for certain that Singapore would enjoy certain aspects of success that modern Singapore enjoys now?
"If only.. if only.." All of us often say this alot, hoping to change the current bad situations by changing the variables at the root. But if we had taken out the bad variables at the root, would the ideal course of action that we hope for still take place?
This world is runned by the idea of give-and-take. Look at all our personal lifes first. Can we run our own lifes such that career-wise we are so successful, yet still able to drive around our dream car with our girlfriends all day long, beat the traffic light if we don't feel like it, do all the stuff we enjoy without going back to office to work, and still continue to maintain our salary at work? Don't think there is..
Similarly, if there is a government capable of maintaining success and yet let us have what we hope for, all of us would hope for this kind of government to overthrow the current one and let it run Singapore. But the reality of this world doesn't allow for such a government to form. It's all about give-and-take..
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vote for me.
first i would disband the ISD and setup a new secret police called the Gestapo
I would use the gestapo to beat up all the oppositions then threaten the legal community if they do not do everything i say.
then i would sue all my detractors and opposers, since i already control the legal community, i would win all the law suits.
i would then get the judge to charge my detractors/opposers in contempt for just calling me SIR instead of Supreme Overlord of Singapore. This would ensure all my detractors/opposers are bankrupt AND in jail.
my policy include
1 - taxing my peasants until they are unable to make ends meet.
2 - be polite only to people who can give me money
3 - use my peasants money anyhow i want and if problems are encountered, i would call it long term investment.
4 - keeping a pool of scapegoats incase any problem arise due to COMPLACENCY of my families and friends.
5 - give my friends and families multi-million dollar salaries and 20 mth bonuses.
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Originally posted by superlibra:
I think you people are looking at this too politically. Think about it, in the beginning even if there is another similarly capable person like LKY, but a more democratic man, to mastermind the shaping of Singapore into what it is today, could anyone of us be for certain that Singapore would enjoy certain aspects of success that modern Singapore enjoys now?
"If only.. if only.." All of us often say this alot, hoping to change the current bad situations by changing the variables at the root. But if we had taken out the bad variables at the root, would the ideal course of action that we hope for still take place?
This world is runned by the idea of give-and-take. Look at all our personal lifes first. Can we run our own lifes such that career-wise we are so successful, yet still able to drive around our dream car with our girlfriends all day long, beat the traffic light if we don't feel like it, do all the stuff we enjoy without going back to office to work, and still continue to maintain our salary at work? Don't think there is..
Similarly, if there is a government capable of maintaining success and yet let us have what we hope for, all of us would hope for this kind of government to overthrow the current one and let it run Singapore. But the reality of this world doesn't allow for such a government to form. It's all about give-and-take..
You have a point in the if-only partBut look at the personal life you described.
"career-wise succesful" and you pay tax, gst, cpf (2.5% vs the 5.1% by OCBC bank now)
"drive around our dream car with our girlfriends" and you pay petrol tax, ERP, road tax, COEActually the "dream life" you described is possible, provided that you have the financial intelligence and motivation to work hard in the initial years. That is called financial freedom.
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Heehee, I see all the MIW die-hard fans here; they're such a funny sight. Yay for blind people! Maybe we can get the Lees to build more conveniences for blind people, yes? So you can continue supporting them the way you do. On topic: Yes indeed. We can change the whole governance if the main infrastructure of governance is changed itself. Alas, the MIWs have conveniently adopted the parliamentary republic form of governance and not a full republic one, thus giving them more control over politics and thus lesser political freedom for those who don't happen to be with them. If you ask me, not much difference from autocracy, but of course, "parliamentary republic" sounds much nicer, yes? ANYWAY, the way things are set to go, the Money man possesses the uber hax defamation card which allows him to put all his political opponents in jail and basically strip them of every shred of dignity, power and wealth as much as he can. So awesome right? You can already gauge the power of such individuals by the kind of response the MM elicits. The more drama, the more power. =D So if you ask me if they exist, yes, but they're fighting a losing battle. Honestly, I find it more worthwhile to immerse myself in Msia politics; maybe I'll move there to engage myself in it cos Singapore no chance already. Fight also fight for what? The own people are not receptive of the effort expended by the WP, SDp, etc, and here they are, fighting for the rights of those who still have hope for a brighter future. Cannot beat them, don't join. Run away. Which is what muscle man is doing. Driving all the talents away because he wants to assert his position here. HAHAHAHA GG LAH SINGAPORE!
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Originally posted by kiekergaard:
Heehee, I see all the MIW die-hard fans here; they’re such a funny sight. Yay for blind people! Maybe we can get the Lees to build more conveniences for blind people, yes? So you can continue supporting them the way you do.
On topic: Yes indeed. We can change the whole governance if the main infrastructure of governance is changed itself. Alas, the MIWs have conveniently adopted the parliamentary republic form of governance and not a full republic one, thus giving them more control over politics and thus lesser political freedom for those who don’t happen to be with them.
If you ask me, not much difference from autocracy, but of course, “parliamentary republic” sounds much nicer, yes?
ANYWAY, the way things are set to go, the Money man possesses the uber hax defamation card which allows him to put all his political opponents in jail and basically strip them of every shred of dignity, power and wealth as much as he can. So awesome right? You can already gauge the power of such individuals by the kind of response the MM elicits. The more drama, the more power. =D
So if you ask me if they exist, yes, but they’re fighting a losing battle.
Honestly, I find it more worthwhile to immerse myself in Msia politics; maybe I’ll move there to engage myself in it cos Singapore no chance already. Fight also fight for what? The own people are not receptive of the effort expended by the WP, SDp, etc, and here they are, fighting for the rights of those who still have hope for a brighter future.
Cannot beat them, don’t join. Run away.
Which is what muscle man is doing. Driving all the talents away because he wants to assert his position here.
HAHAHAHA GG LAH SINGAPORE!
Insightful again.
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Originally posted by superlibra:
I think you people are looking at this too politically. Think about it, in the beginning even if there is another similarly capable person like LKY, but a more democratic man, to mastermind the shaping of Singapore into what it is today, could anyone of us be for certain that Singapore would enjoy certain aspects of success that modern Singapore enjoys now?
"If only.. if only.." All of us often say this alot, hoping to change the current bad situations by changing the variables at the root. But if we had taken out the bad variables at the root, would the ideal course of action that we hope for still take place?
This world is runned by the idea of give-and-take. Look at all our personal lifes first. Can we run our own lifes such that career-wise we are so successful, yet still able to drive around our dream car with our girlfriends all day long, beat the traffic light if we don't feel like it, do all the stuff we enjoy without going back to office to work, and still continue to maintain our salary at work? Don't think there is..
Similarly, if there is a government capable of maintaining success and yet let us have what we hope for, all of us would hope for this kind of government to overthrow the current one and let it run Singapore. But the reality of this world doesn't allow for such a government to form. It's all about give-and-take..
Of course if you have been treated more fairly than others by the system, why would you bother to change it.
But in the essence of moral responsibility to others, a fairer system of governance should be adopted. One that does not victimise politicians with opposing views.
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Originally posted by Aelop:
Atobe, could you explain to us why you are so sure that an alternative political party will definitely be better for Singapore? Better in what ways? To satisfy your selfish needs?
And who do you have in mind who will LEAD this party?
Why will you not believe that a NEW Government willing to allow Singaporeans to grow POLITICALLY with the economy can be better ?
With the present Political Party - forming the present Government - constantly fearing the loss of their Political Powers, and finding any ways to thwart and flatten any heads that dare to pop up to challenge their political position - is Singapore's future secure when the option is only with ONE Political Party, and no one else can freely participate in the political process ?
Is this my views alone, or has this not also been observed by none other than a PAP stalwart - its past Chairman of the Party - Dr Toh Chin Chye ?
“I would say the generation of the ‘50s and ‘60s took the plunge into politics without ever calculating the costs of the risk and the benefits to be gained. They were driven by ideology. Today’s generation has no culture and averse to taking political risk. Really, an interest in politics is very necessary for the future. But I cannot blame the present generations, because they see the heavy-handed response by the government to dissenting views, even though they know that these matters involve their daily lives.
So the result is that we have produced a younger generation who are meek and therefore very calculating. They are less independent-thinking and lack in initiative. It does not bode well for the emergence of future leaders in politics and business. Robots and computers can be programmed or if you like, can be trained. But the trouble, of course, is that computers lack soul and what we need in Singapore is soul. Because it is soul that makes society.”Can you hope for Singapore to continue if one is dependent entirely on ONE Personality, ONE Party, ONE Dream - all from ONE Man.?
Do you believe that it is not better for Singapore to free ourselves from the cap placed on each of our hidden potential ?
Or are you preferring to be shepherded by your God Father - to be like ''SHEEP'' - a term that you have ironically accuse everyone in this thread to be a 'Sheep' for criticising your beloved God Father and his Party ?
Have you no more honesty as an Aelop, in the manner of your unwise honesty as a Gazelle in admitting to your bad habits with panties ?
Surely you can do better than those being constantly exposed as firing 'blanks' with every loud 'points' made ?
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Actually when someone uses the term sheep, they are actually insulting the P4P regime. Some trolls don't understand the meaning of the term and use it generously in all his post. What an imbecile!!!
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Fooled by Randomness!
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Originally posted by maurizio13:
Actually when someone uses the term sheep, they are actually insulting the P4P regime. Some trolls don't understand the meaning of the term and use it generously in all his post. What an imbecile!!!
As I have mentioned before, this sheep is thinking that every thing that moves is also a sheep -
Originally posted by Aelop:
If you think there is one, please share with us.
Do you plan to have kids?Are you worried that a sudden change in the political environment will affect your generation.
Or would you risk change for the future of your kids.
There is no other govt better. Singapore has only 1 party. There is no shadow cabinet/party/minister.
You can either risk it. Or you can keep it as it is and leave the shit for the next generation to harvest.
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Originally posted by Genie99a:
Do you plan to have kids?Are you worried that a sudden change in the political environment will affect your generation.
Or would you risk change for the future of your kids.
There is no other govt better. Singapore has only 1 party. There is no shadow cabinet/party/minister.
You can either risk it. Or you can keep it as it is and leave the shit for the next generation to harvest.
You might also think its a coincidence that some people regard Singapore as a bad place to raise your kids as they will have a hard life.
And maybe see if statistics back this up.
Or maybe I'm talking crap. Go figure.
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Originally posted by maurizio13:
Actually when someone uses the term sheep, they are actually insulting the P4P regime. Some trolls don't understand the meaning of the term and use it generously in all his post. What an imbecile!!!
Haha Maurizio, which imbecile? Does he happen to have any *coughs* blanks in his name? xD
Nice site btw. The author has eloquently expressed, with such beauty, the meaning of NOT being one of the herd.
http://aidilomar.com/2008/05/21/are-you-sheep/
Thanks for sharing!
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Originally posted by eagle:
You have a point in the if-only partBut look at the personal life you described.
"career-wise succesful" and you pay tax, gst, cpf (2.5% vs the 5.1% by OCBC bank now)
"drive around our dream car with our girlfriends" and you pay petrol tax, ERP, road tax, COEActually the "dream life" you described is possible, provided that you have the financial intelligence and motivation to work hard in the initial years. That is called financial freedom.
Heh.. After some thinking, yea.. You're right.. It is possible to achieve financial freedom with determination..My purpose of mentioning the maintenance of a "dream life" in comparison to a "dream government" was to say that it is not possible for a government to give us all that we want, and yet still able to maintain certain aspects of the success that Singapore has.. It's all about the give-and-take.. That's my 1cents thought..
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Originally posted by maurizio13:
Of course if you have been treated more fairly than others by the system, why would you bother to change it.
But in the essence of moral responsibility to others, a fairer system of governance should be adopted. One that does not victimise politicians with opposing views.
Hmm.. Victimise politicians with opposing views.. I don't really get what you're trying to say.. Care to explain..?
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Reminds me of Animal Farm by George Orwell