Originally posted by eagle:
It's about money, but you are talking about numbers.Maybe you could suggest a number and calculate how many years you need to reach just 1% of the population (which in the end, won't even affect the average much)
My main point is, even if we don't support it, we shouldn't generalise using such 'isolated examples'
Every single life is precious and irreplaceable.
It is a parents' deepest sorrow to have to bury their own children.
No bardie should be made to go through such pain , if it can be helped.
Originally posted by jojobeach:Every single life is precious and irreplaceable.
It is a parents' deepest sorrow to have to bury their own children.
No bardie should be made to go through such pain , if it can be helped.
this is so true. years back, when i was still a kid, i saw how my late-grandma's heart was utterly broken after my uncle (her child) passed away after an illness.
i hope it will never, ever happen to me.
(my late uncle had taught me how to rock on a guitar)
Originally posted by jojobeach:Every single life is precious and irreplaceable.
It is a parents' deepest sorrow to have to bury their own children.
No bardie should be made to go through such pain , if it can be helped.
That's true. But TS is talking about the statistics mah.
Originally posted by eagle:
That's true. But TS is talking about the statistics mah.
... there are NO statistics, incidences like these they'd gladly overlook if it can be... and they wouldn't take the pains to come up with such negative stats after they have insisted that Singaporeans, are living longer..
.. though stats are lacking, the ocassional inevitable article of such incidents and other publicly witnessed Drop Deads, shall be evident of whether SIngaporeans are truly living longer, or not...
Here are some stats...
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Shouldn’t MINDEF be more transparent about servicemen deaths?
Joel Tan
The last line of the Singapore Armed Forces pledge states that all of us servicemen, active or otherwise, should be prepared to defend Singapore (cue shout) “with our lives!”.
Indeed, this has manifested itself very literally and very unfortunately in several instances, and mishap, understandable in the struggle to balance realism with safety, has caused many soldiers to lose their lives while in active service to the nation.
The latest case of death in the SAF surrounds recruit Andrew Cheah Wei Siong who, during a 2 kilometer walking exercise at Pulau Tekong’s BMTC on Tuesday morning, collapsed and was later pronounced dead at the Singapore General Hospital where he was evacuated to.
http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/06/should-mindef-be-more-transparent-about-servicemen-deaths/
i believe the average life expectancy will fall very soon.
The newer generation who grows up watching tv, eating fast food, living in urban environment and has never lived in the kampong will probably die much younger even with technological advancement.
Originally posted by HyperFocal:
... there are NO statistics, incidences like these they'd gladly overlook if it can be... and they wouldn't take the pains to come up with such negative stats after they have insisted that Singaporeans, are living longer..
.. though stats are lacking, the ocassional inevitable article of such incidents and other publicly witnessed Drop Deads, shall be evident of whether SIngaporeans are truly living longer, or not...
By doing what you have done, don't you realised you have commited the exact same mistake as what you have accused the PAP? Taking some examples just to prove a point when there are many other examples that doesn't?
Btw, there are statistics on average lifespan. Do you think those 'isolated cases' will affect the general average?
Finally, your online citizen article is rather out of point with this thread. Good read nevertheless.
I think we have to side the the truth in here, and not let wishful thinking distort the true picture.
Average life expectancy does not mean that 100 percent of the people will get to that age and then drop dead, in reality there is actually a rather wide range of ages in which people live to and then die that forms up the data we have.
What this means is that we actually have quite a lot of people who die before and after the expected age when the data is all collected, we have to look at the entire sample range, but what his also means that in general, you are more or less expected to live up to that age in this country.
At the end of the day we have to be objective, we cannot accuse others of using dodgy methods to make their arguments and then resort to dodgy arguments ourselves, this is a lionnoisy style of intellectual dishonesty.
BTW the recruit died during a 2km walk, I am not sure what really could have been done in that case, given a 2km walk is about the most basic of basic trainings that one can have. It's sad, but certainly NOT a case of tough training.
Thing is, not all deaths in NS should be attributed to NS, in my time several people did indeed die, some from NS-related causes and others simply because they happened to die during their NS.
The thing is, as tragic as dying young is... it still can and will happen in our population of over 4 million. That is over 4 thousand thousand people. We have, if I remember correctly, over 3000 deaths a year in our population.
Of those 3000 deaths the average ought to be that of the expected lifespan, however beyond that there will be those that die really young and really old, even if it was 10 percent of the sample, you are talking 300 people, certainly more then enough news to fill our newspapers.
S'pore doctor dies at Melbourne ice-skating rink
She had spent 'quality time' with family before death
By Ng Wan Ching
June 13, 2008
A YOUNG Singaporean doctor collapsed and died on 6 Jun in Melbourne.
Dr Nishal Kaur Bhullar, 25, was ice-skating with some friends. When she went to the side of the rink for a rest, she collapsed.
Her father, Dr Pritam Singh, a well-known gynaecologist and gynaecologic oncologist here, told The New Paper that, so far, the pathologist could not tell the family why his daughter died.
Dr Bhullar, who graduated from the University of Melbourne one-and-a-half years ago, had been working as a medical officer at the Western Hospital in Footscray, a suburb 20 minutes west of Melbourne.
Said her sister, Miss Shireen Kaur Bhullar, 20, who is studying for an arts degree in the same university: 'She loved her job. She had always wanted to be a doctor. She was inspired by our father.'
The sisters were very close.
Miss Bhullar, who is in her second year of university, lived five minutes away from her sister in the Parkville suburb.
Both sisters had attended CHIJ. Dr Bhullar went on to Victoria Junior College before going to Melbourne for her medical degree.
Miss Bhullar left Singapore after her O levels to study first in Adelaide and then in Melbourne.
'During the years when we lived apart, we used to rack up huge phone bills. We would call each other three to four times a week and talk for an hour each time,' she said.
She got a call from her sister's friends on Friday night saying that Dr Bhullar had collapsed.
'They asked me for the telephone numbers of my parents and aunt who lives in Melbourne and asked if it would be all right for them to call. I said 'yes'. Then they told me to go straight to the hospital,' she said.
An ambulance had sent her sister to the Royal Melbourne Hospital.
When she got to the hospital, her aunt, who is her mother's elder sister, was already there.
'They called at about 8pm. I was with a friend and I just dropped everything and rushed to the hospital. By the time I got there, she had passed away,' she said, sounding calm.
One thing that gives her and her family some peace is that Dr Bhullar had spent a lot of quality time with their parents before she died.
Early last month, she surprised her parents with a visit home for 10 days.
'She had asked me if I wanted to go with her, but I couldn't as I had study commitments,' said Miss Bhullar.
During the trip home, her sister went with her parents for a cousin's engagement in Malaysia.
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'It was a two-day trip and she managed to meet up with a lot of our relatives,' said Miss Bhullar.
Then in the later part of May, their parents visited Melbourne.
'My mother stayed for two weeks and my father came for a week,' said Miss Bhullar.
Dr Singh, who appeared calm during the wake for his daughter last night, said: 'My daughter had zero health issues. She was healthy and fine until the day she collapsed. She was a very special girl.'
At an earlier memorial service, Miss Bhullar was struck by how many people thought her sister was special.
'They said she always had a smile on her face, was fun-loving, always lent a hand to someone in need. My sister had this ability to be very welcoming to people. She had the gift of understanding,' she said.
Many people turned up at the wake in the family home in Upper Bukit Timah last night.
Said Miss Bhullar: 'My sister was a much loved person. And we will get through this.'
Seems like TS gets very happy by posting articles on people dying young. It must really be a pleasure for him to know that others died young.
To be fair to TS, I don't think he is happy knowing people are dying young. I have been receiving news about peope dying young. The latest piece of new is a 30 year old man complained of pain in the nose and was hospitalised and less than a week he died in the hospital. Other news I received is a man in his 30s complained of pain in the heart and less than 3 months, he died. A man in his twenties died in accident (neighbour's grandson). Time and again when I receive such news, it really make one think life is so fragile, so do good while we can. LKY, please repent.
Originally posted by Civilgoh:To be fair to TS, I don't think he is happy knowing people are dying young. I have been receiving news about peope dying young. The latest piece of new is a 30 year old man complained of pain in the nose and was hospitalised and less than a week he died in the hospital. Other news I received is a man in his 30s complained of pain in the heart and less than 3 months, he died. A man in his twenties died in accident (neighbour's grandson). Time and again when I receive such news, it really make one think life is so fragile, so do good while we can. LKY, please repent.
... I feel, to be fair to ALL LOCALS, the government should retract their statement/s that Singporeans are Living Longer.
... If they want to, or requires Singaporeans to continue keeping money in their coffers, say so... after all, how could anyone object?
Just don't LIE that we are living longer... that's farking BULL...
Originally posted by HyperFocal:
... I feel, to be fair to ALL LOCALS, the government should retract their statement/s that Singporeans are Living Longer.... If they want to, or requires Singaporeans to continue keeping money in their coffers, say so... after all, how could anyone object?
Just don't LIE that we are living longer... that's farking BULL...
They have to say something to paint a beautiful picture hoping that people will accept the annuity issue for which they are planning to con money out of people.
Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:Lee Kuan Yew is old (85 years).
It is rare for an old person to change his lifelong habits and mentality.
So, for Lee Kuan Yew to repent his deeds is not easy.
Lee Kuan Yew is also quite stuborn.
The best that I hope from Lee Kuan Yew is that he can die quickly.
Lee Kuan Yew is god, ha ha hah. Sorry, have I commited blasphemy?