No welfare means no tax or low tax govt, look at our taxes
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Not forgetting that inflation in these countries for the past few months have been lower than Singapore's projected 7% to 8% inflation rate.
Taiwan's CPI 3.89%
http://eng.stat.gov.tw/point.asp?index=2
New Zealand's CPI 3.2%
UK CPI 2.5%
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=19
France's CPI 2.8%
http://www.insee.fr/en/indicateur/indic_conj/indconj_frame.asp?ind_id=29
Ireland's CPI 4.77%
http://www.cso.ie/statistics/cpi2008.htm
Japan's CPI 0.7%
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Originally posted by maurizio13:
Don't you make the wrong comparison, salary in UK is also alot higher and there are lots of welfare there. Australia also has high taxes and I did a comparison before. IN Singapore though there are no high taxes but higher charges for electricity tariffs, GST, COE, ERP, property tax, etc. Also you get zero welfare.While the government throws away our hard earned money into frivolous acquisition of over-priced companies overseas. The commoners are left with having to pay the price with high levels of inflation, taxes, fees, charges and fines.
Ever wonder why our wages are so depressed, while citizens from other equivalent GDP per capita economies (e.g. Australia, New Zealand, Ireland, etc) can better afford holidays overseas. Their average wages are at least 3-5 times of Singaporeans (e.g. waiters and retail assistant makes AUD 15 to AUD 25 per hour). Singaporeans can only contend with 3rd world standard of living in the future, given the government's policy on letting in more 3rd world workers to push down wages.
The explanation for low wages given by P4P was global competition, seems like competition only applies to Singapore ONLY. But not to countries such as Australia or New Zealand.
P4P lackeys here complain that some of these countries like Australia, New Zealand, etc have high tax structure. But given their wages, they still make more than the average Singaporeans and could afford more despite their high tax structure. Notwithstanding that they do not need to pay for healthcare and basic education.
***This comparison is based only on the after tax spending power of low wage earners of both countries. I do not think that we need to compare the after tax spending power of high income earners, because they are still extremely well off after taxes.***
Singapore:
Income per year: SG$12,000
Income Taxes: 0%
GST: 7%
Spending Power After GST: SG$11,160 [SG$12,000 x 93%]
Australia:
(waiter or retail staff based on 3 times earnings of Singaporean only, not 5 times which is the higher bound)
Income per year: AU$36,000
Income Taxes: up to AU$6,000 = AU$0; AU$6,001 to AU$25,000 = AU$2,850; AU$25,001 to AU$36,000 = AU$3,300
Australia Personal Tax Rates
Total Income Taxes: AU$6,150 [AU$ 0 + AU$ 2,850 + AU$ 3,300]
Income after Income Taxes: AU$29,850
GST: 10%
Spending Power After GST: AU$26,865 [AU$29,850 x 90%]
An average waiter in Australia will have a spending power of AU$26,865, while a Singaporeans waiter will have only SG$11,160. Why do you think when we go for holidays overseas, we can afford less than an equivalent GDP per capita country like Australia or New Zealand.
You do the maths and tell me who is actually better off after personal taxes and GST.
Singaporeans or Australians???
Though Australia might have a higher personal tax structure, but their average wages are 3 to 5 times of Singaporeans. Even after deducting high taxes and GST, they still do end up with more money in the pocket than an average Singaporean. Moreover, they have no need to pay for healthcare and basic education.
Australian Wages
Bartending/waiting tables: $15 - $25 per hour (casual)
Chef: $700 - $800 per week (full time)
Retail sales assistant: $15 - $25 per hour (casual)
Check out operators and cashiers: $500 - $700 per week (full time)
Building/labouring: $650 - $850 per week (full time)
Engineering: $800 - $1500 per week (full time)
Hairdressing: $530 - $650 per week (full time)
Secretarial/administration: $600 - $700 per week (full time)
Child care: $18 - $20 per hour (casual)
Ever wonder why you always try to act smart?Why not compare wages with Europe or USA?
Have you forgotten to add that Australia's GST is 10%?
They have natural resources such as bauxite, coal, iron ore, copper, tin, gold, silver, uranium, nickel, tungsten, mineral sands, lead, zinc, diamonds, natural gas, petroleum. We have no natural resources.
Their land area is est 7,700,000km square with 21 million citizens.
Ours is 701 km square with population 3.5 million citizens.
Not to mention, australia has the 4th largest current account deficiet in the world
Not to mentioned, it is far from asia, in a continent of its own and have no immediate neighbours that offers cheap labour.
Go figure how they manage their country and why we in singapore have our own limitations. Do compare Apple with Apple and not Apple with Oranges. Not all here are fools or blind to your insidious half truths attempts.
And don't bother to use Hong Kong please! Their next generation will be communists by 2047 and have no need to build their reserves. They only live for today, and can afford to do so with their budget surpluses for their tomorrow belongs to CCCP.
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Originally posted by maurizio13:
Not forgetting that inflation in these countries for the past few months have been lower than Singapore's projected 7% to 8% inflation rate.
Taiwan's CPI 3.89%
http://eng.stat.gov.tw/point.asp?index=2
New Zealand's CPI 3.2%
UK CPI 2.5%
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=19
France's CPI 2.8%
http://www.insee.fr/en/indicateur/indic_conj/indconj_frame.asp?ind_id=29
Ireland's CPI 4.77%
http://www.cso.ie/statistics/cpi2008.htm
Japan's CPI 0.7%
Again, blind comparisons. What did they use to derive their figures? Anyone can compare, but are you giving equal comparisons? You are not. So go on and compare. Next you will have us believe N korea is a paradise on Earth!
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In Singapore, be prepared to work hard and feed your own family yourself ( and pay your part to the nation by paying taxes so that the ministers can draw their exorbitant salaries).
End of Story.
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:Originally posted by DeerHunter:
You insisted on calling others slanderers, are you not the worse slanderers when you without any conscience chooses to slander CSJ for defending freedoms against wrongful suing of citizens over remarks exchanged in the course of electioneering.
[quote]That's the problem with you. You tend to generalize everything and in your delusions, you label it in your high horse mounting immoralism.
I make no slander against him over what he did not do. He had done much, and most of it that is self created and detrimental to one who seeks high office.
What freedoms are he defending? FREEDOM TO SLANDER THE INNOCENTS? Thus,look at yourself! You yourself am worse than CSJ, at least he openly challenged innocents but you do it here hiding in annonymity, and you DARE insult me?[/quote]
I do not have a moral high horse to sit on. He is uneasy who wears the crown. So you should not question my morality but instead ask whoever in charge of regulations of NKF to answer to those points alleged in CSJ website. He has the prima facie and those prima facie are in the regulatory authority office or parliamentary gazette.
If we go by the rule of laws, laws must be fair and just with rules of evidences applied without such biases. Answer to the most important and crucial point in the whole issue - are the rules of evidence such as right of accused to fair comments and public interests applied by the judge in this latest defamation suit?
[quote]Fair or unfair comments? What the hell happened to prima facie?[/quote]
As I have said the whole of NKF wrong doings were discussed in parliaments and up till now the Health Regulatory Authority or Minister remained unaccountable for those negligence or mistakes committed. Do we have an independent judiciary after what has been found in Devan Nair suits which he won in Canada ? Unless you are blind you should be able to see the prima facie in all the records on NKF parliamentary reports.
Will NKF wrongdoings as unearthed in the SPH/NKF not something which should have been prevented by the respective Health Regulatory Authority in the first place.
[quote]SPH/NKF is a different issue. MM Lee did not sue SPH or NKF, or did they slander against MM Lee or the govt. Are you blind?[/quote]
In a political defamation suits heard by judges appointed by or with the consent of the government which judges dare to give a verdict against the power that be? Irrelevant or relevant is not the main issue here?
If the Minister-in-charge has taken action to stop such wrongful practices would CSJ be criticizing the government in the way he has published this case as caused by or attributable to the government.
[quote]IF! IF I HAD MUSTACHE, I WOULD BE YOUR FATHER! Have some logic to your arguements and stick to the facts please![/quote]
If the root cause of a problem is not admitted how to run a first-world government?
Political leaders should be more responsible for mistakes or errors caused by NKF including the wrongful hoarding of public donations and misuse of donations funds for golden taps and awards of contracts to cronies?
Evidence of contracts to cronies please? Have any? I will be kind and not slam you for slander. But others here who are silent may not be so kind.
Prima Facie evidence of wrong doings in NKF were court records. So if you want prima facie what is so difficult to extract them from the court or the parliamentary sitting on this case.
If political leaders simply push aside such problems and sue CSJ out of context for slandering over some other less salient points then they do not have the standing of moral or upright political leaders?
[quote]Out of context?!!!! You read their statements again. There were no out of context statement but a blatant outright lie on the mismanagement of our govt, who must respond to clear their name![/quote]
In political defamation suits against political oppositions, can you avoid referring to remarks made in the heat of electioneering. Didn't both sides make various slandering remarks against one another all the time. Are you blind to see this fact?
If you apply slandering in such a biased manner denying CSJ of his right of defence on fair comments and public interest what slandering are you talking about?
[quote]I am talking about outright lies and falsehood, dolt! If you insist on being blind to the immorality of your idol, i can't help you. I am not a faithhealer![/quote]
The calling of names like slanderer without giving the accused the chance of defence on ground of fair comments or public interests is worse than slandering.
So do not pretend that our rule of evidence or law of libel is so right or fair.
[quote]There is no pretension. It is right and fair. Only your corrupted moral values disagree with it.[/quote]
If this is not slandering what is?
Just look at what has happened to his values and judgments after Mahathir left office. Can he say his decisions over many prosecutions of his opponents are right or good for the country as you are trying to make out in the case of MM vs CSJ case just heard in court.
[quote]Might as well you bring in more famous ones. Want to use Mugabe, Mao, Stalin, Idi Amin, etc. They are not singaporeans. Don't use others to support your corrupt moral values![/quote]
In view of government frequent use of selective comparison of their own worth with the best of CEO in private sector or worse case scenarios in other countries to avoid accountability for problems, surely I am entitled to quote a selective comparison once. Mahathir's use of political power to run down oppositions may well be a good parallel for this case.
The juries are still out as far as Singaporeans are concerned. Devan Nair won the case easily against MM in Canada court and this clearly showed that our courts are not as fair and just in political defamation suits against political oppositions back home.
[quote]It certainly is out. Out on a picnic. Because the case is closed and justice served. May CSJ and his sister know better not to freely slander anyone else. You another one - kiss white men's butt. Go on and kiss them more. See if you when you are out of job, they will give you grants or help to put you back on your feet.[/quote]
If the jury system is not abolished for political purpose, perhaps today we will not have so many political defamation suits against the oppositions.
So what slandering you are talking about when you use the term. Is it in the sense of Canada or kangaroo court.
quote]SLANDER AS IN CASTING ASPERSION ON INNOCENTS. Your moral values are too corrupt to understand the truth in it. The only kangaroo court there are is when your kind gets power. Then we citizens will be the ones appearing in your kind of court where anyone is free to slander against anyone and get away with it.[/quote]
Who is innocent or being entitled to defence based on rule of evidence or laws of civil libel. Who is being sued or slandered? Pardon me for my asking.
Do not try to appear so right or righteous if you have this kind of meaning of slandering.
[quote]I dont need to appear righteous or right. The truth is self evident.[/quote]
Being self-evident is the rule of civil evidence in civil libel being overlooked as mentioned - fair comments and public interest.
For now citizens can judge for themselves. Conduct a poll and see if they will call such persecutions is for slandering rule of law or are just dirty rags.
[quote]The only dirty rag i see here are your posts. Support the slandering of innocents all you want, and hell if i will let you and your crazy kind roam freely, here or in the real world[/quote]
If civil libel is a matter not overruling all the defence of fair comments as irrelevant then what kind of civil libel is that?
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:Originally posted by TC Phua:
Hi Robert,
Sidetrack:
Thanks for responding to my previous posting about my problem with ACRA. I must have pushed the wrong button, my whole thread is deleted.
Anyway, I have replied in another new thread, titled "5 Reasons: ACRA is unfair".
Thanks.
I have come across the same problem. It is easy to lose your post if not careful with buttons.
Your problem with ACRA cannot be solved easily by legality alone. We appear to have two layers of government.
One is legalistic with all civil servants complying with strict rule of law irrespective of unfairness created which is beyond the power of civil servant to intervene and another is election time law or appeasement.
That is why we need a diary for recording of such cases of injustices and unfairness and get all active citizens to put them up on public forums for appeasements solutions.
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Originally posted by DeerHunter:
Ever wonder why you always try to act smart?Why not compare wages with Europe or USA?
Have you forgotten to add that Australia's GST is 10%?
They have natural resources such as bauxite, coal, iron ore, copper, tin, gold, silver, uranium, nickel, tungsten, mineral sands, lead, zinc, diamonds, natural gas, petroleum. We have no natural resources.
Their land area is est 7,700,000km square with 21 million citizens.
Ours is 701 km square with population 3.5 million citizens.
Not to mention, australia has the 4th largest current account deficiet in the world
Not to mentioned, it is far from asia, in a continent of its own and have no immediate neighbours that offers cheap labour.
Go figure how they manage their country and why we in singapore have our own limitations. Do compare Apple with Apple and not Apple with Oranges. Not all here are fools or blind to your insidious half truths attempts.
And don't bother to use Hong Kong please! Their next generation will be communists by 2047 and have no need to build their reserves. They only live for today, and can afford to do so with their budget surpluses for their tomorrow belongs to CCCP.
Have you forgotten to add that Australia's GST is 10%?
Income per year: AU$36,000
Income Taxes: up to AU$6,000 = AU$0; AU$6,001 to AU$25,000 = AU$2,850; AU$25,001 to AU$36,000 = AU$3,300
Australia Personal Tax Rates
Total Income Taxes: AU$6,150 [AU$ 0 + AU$ 2,850 + AU$ 3,300]
Income after Income Taxes: AU$29,850
GST: 10%
Spending Power After GST: AU$26,865 [AU$29,850 x 90%]Some people just really don't know how to read properly before making comments that make themselves look even more stupid
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Originally posted by DeerHunter:
Again, blind comparisons. What did they use to derive their figures? Anyone can compare, but are you giving equal comparisons? You are not. So go on and compare. Next you will have us believe N korea is a paradise on Earth!
Another brainless and baseless comment
When others merely raised points, you would say they made baseless stands and slanderous remarks (although some are really guilty of it)
Yet when others showed statistics, you immediately claimed 'blind comparisons'.
Next you will tell us Singapore is best in the world in every single thing by comparing with countries like N Korea
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Originally posted by DeerHunter:
Ever wonder why you always try to act smart?Why not compare wages with Europe or USA?
Have you forgotten to add that Australia's GST is 10%?
They have natural resources such as bauxite, coal, iron ore, copper, tin, gold, silver, uranium, nickel, tungsten, mineral sands, lead, zinc, diamonds, natural gas, petroleum. We have no natural resources.
Their land area is est 7,700,000km square with 21 million citizens.
Ours is 701 km square with population 3.5 million citizens.
Not to mention, australia has the 4th largest current account deficiet in the world
Not to mentioned, it is far from asia, in a continent of its own and have no immediate neighbours that offers cheap labour.
Go figure how they manage their country and why we in singapore have our own limitations. Do compare Apple with Apple and not Apple with Oranges. Not all here are fools or blind to your insidious half truths attempts.
And don't bother to use Hong Kong please! Their next generation will be communists by 2047 and have no need to build their reserves. They only live for today, and can afford to do so with their budget surpluses for their tomorrow belongs to CCCP.
I don't have to act smart.Wages in Europe and US would be alot more than Singapore.
Yes, Australia has GST, but their GST does not apply to basic food items, unlike Singapore which taxes basic necessities like food, approved childcare supplies, educational supplies and medical supplies. Moreover with their GST, they provide free hospital care, the same cannot be said for Singapore which charges an arm or a leg for hospitalisation.
http://www.gstaustralia.com.au/gst-exemptions.htm
Yes, your point of contention has always been natural resources. But do you know how mining industry works? Do you think that the Australian Government is directly involved in the mining and sale of these natural resources? Think again.
Essentially what the government does is sell the land to these stock exchange listed mining companies and leave the sourcing and procuring of minerals to these private companies. The government gets paid for the lease of the land in the form of either a fixed sum or annual sum, alot like the selling of commercial land in Singapore. The money obtained from the sale or rental of these mines goes into helping the citizens of Australia as claimed by you. But where has the money from the sale of commercial land in Singapore gone. Unless you going to start arguing with me, telling me that these publicly listed companies on the stock exchange gives donation to the Australian government for no apparent reason, that I have nothing else to comment.
Don't understand your one liners telling us the geographical and demographical statistics. If it's accurate I don't dispute it, but it serves no purpose in your argument, other than to add facts to mislead others into thinking that your previous statements are also facts.
Whether you have neighbours that have cheap labour is irrelevant. I don't understand your logic in this statement. Anyway, finished products are not only limited to sale to your close neighbours, these days even grapes produced in South Africa can be imported to Singapore for consumption.
The only difference between Hong Kong and Singapore is that in Hong Kong there is no dynastic succession, even in China the tenure of the President is limited to 2 terms (I think).
If a father can pass his inheritance to his sons and then from sons to grandsons, won't it be more beneficial for a regime to promote dynastic succession.
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In case you don't understand, GDP does not mean all the money goes to the government.
GDP just means the total that an economy produces in terms of goods and services. So if a country produces cars, coca cola, furniture, milk, iron, titanium, platinium, uranium, etc, it goes into the total of the GDP.
The gross domestic product (GDP) or gross domestic income (GDI) is one of the measures of national income and output for a given country's economy. GDP is defined as the total market value of all final goods and services produced within the country in a given period of time (usually a calendar year). It is also considered the sum of value added at every stage of production (the intermediate stages) of all final goods and services produced within a country in a given period of time, and it is given a money value.
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Originally posted by eagle:
Another brainless and baseless comment
When others merely raised points, you would say they made baseless stands and slanderous remarks (although some are really guilty of it)
Yet when others showed statistics, you immediately claimed 'blind comparisons'.
Next you will tell us Singapore is best in the world in every single thing by comparing with countries like N Korea
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DeerHunter aka Elmer Fudd gone hunting for wabbits?
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Originally posted by alwaysdisturbed:
what about cutting taxes on fuel?
mah said it will send the wrong signal. -
Originally posted by dragg:
mah said it will send the wrong signal.
you are very obedient.if i am in power, i wish all the population be like you.
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Singapore’s Other Tammys
Ever since the saga involving Nanyang Polytechnic’s Weiting – Has she graduated? Did she eventually? What and how is she doing now? – the number of Singapore’s teenagers going online to exhibit their sexual exploits, if anything, has not only not decreased but is rising, if accounts of my trusted aides are anything to go by.
Worried parents and concerned individuals have been coming to meet me to seek my help to eradicate this most contentious and seemingly inexplicable side of our Singapore young (to first engage in daring sexual escapades and record such derring-do on celluloid for posterity, then to release them for worldwide audiences to view heir exploits, as if in a show of defiance) as not doing so may lead our young – future leaders of this great nation – to turn into devilish little nymphomaniacs, attempt worse and unspeakable things and even to venture into the (admittedly lucrative) world of AV (or adult video, in Japanese slang) to carve out careers as porn stars and starlets.
To prevent this trend of our young girls – teens and tweens included – of sinking ever deeper into cardinally sinful ways, it is incumbent upon me to seek your Members’ assistance in providing details of such girls they know.
For a start, your Members, who may not make head or tail of what I am spouting, may want to proceed to where my attention has been lately directed:
www(dot)SlutLoad(dot)com
and do a search on one or any number of the following Singapore-related or distinctly Singapore-flavored keywords:
· Singapore
· ITE AMK Gal
· NTU
· SG Gal
· SG Local
· Singapore Polytechnic
· Singapore Poly
· Temasek Polytechnic
· Geylang
· Hotel 81
· Tampines
· Sentosa
· NTUC
which will throw up any number of URLs, all or most of which contain videographic material showing Singaporean-like females in any anumber of compromising positions and actions.
What we hope to achieve is, with your assistance, we will be able to track down the particular individuals involved so that we can get to the root of their problems, delve deeper into what made hem do what they did and then together find appropriate solutions like counseling.
Your Members are strongly encouraged to help this great national cause of reconciliation for these wayward young adults, teenagers girls and tweens and helping to save their souls in the process.
Unnamed girl #1
Purportedly a student from ITE AMK
Students and teaching staff, past and present, from the Institute are kindly requested to verify contents of the material in question, confirm the existence of this female individual in question and then write to this Forum – or to myself using this line of communication – to indicate all data you have on this female, including but not excluding her full name, age, faculty and class, home address and telephone number(s).Your correspondence will be held in the strictest confidence.
Unnamed girl #2
Purportedly a student from NTU
Students and teaching staff, past and present, from the Institute are kindly requested to verify contents of the material in question, confirm the existence of this female individual in question and then write to this Forum – or to myself using this line of communication – to indicate all data you have on this female, including but not excluding her full name, age, faculty and class, home address and telephone number(s).Your correspondence will be held in the strictest confidence.
Unnamed girl #3
Purportedly a student named Irene from SP
Students and teaching staff, past and present, from the Institute are kindly requested to verify contents of the material in question, confirm the existence of this female individual in question and then write to this Forum – or to myself using this line of communication – to indicate all data you have on this female, including but not excluding her full name, age, faculty and class, home address and telephone number(s).Your such correspondence will be held in the strictest confidence.
We thank your Members for showing interest in this great national cause and campaign to eradicate undesirable behavior in today’s young Singaporeans, who will in time to come become leaders of this magnificent nation.
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Our society and government is not as mature as other countries.
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Originally posted by maurizio13:
DeerHunter aka Elmer Fudd gone hunting for wabbits?
Can't you just wait for him finish school? -
Originally posted by eagle:
Can't you just wait for him finish school?oh yeah!
school reopens today.
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Originally posted by eagle:
Another brainless and baseless comment
When others merely raised points, you would say they made baseless stands and slanderous remarks (although some are really guilty of it)
Yet when others showed statistics, you immediately claimed 'blind comparisons'.
Next you will tell us Singapore is best in the world in every single thing by comparing with countries like N Korea
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High Inflation.
High Taxes (Income + GST)
High Electricity Charges.
High ERP.
High Petrol Tax
Low Welfare.
Low Salary.
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i think the idea is
NO WELFARE FROM GOVERNMENT but
BIG WELFARE FOR GOVERNMENT (servants to prevent corruption)
since there is a BIG welfare FOR goverment, hence the high taxes
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Originally posted by ChiBet:
i think the idea is
NO WELFARE FROM GOVERNMENT but
BIG WELFARE FOR GOVERNMENT (servants to prevent corruption)
since there is a BIG welfare FOR goverment, hence the high taxes
Why does this happen?
Because we do not have a strong opposition voice in parliament.
Why don't we have a strong opposition in parliament?
Because they suppress opposition candidates, therefore good opposition candidates don't dare to participate in elections.
In Sun Tzu's Art of War, it is the technique of making an example of another.
Sun Tzu lived in 6th century BC China. He caught the attention of the emperor who was in the middle of a war. As a test of Sun Tzu's teachings the emperor gave him 180 of his women to command. Sun Tzu commanded the women but they did not respond. They giggled. Sun Tzu had the emperor's two favorite concubines (who were the generals in this female army) beheaded! The emperor tried to stop Sun Tzu but he responded that he was given a commission and was entitled to run his army the way he wanted. The women were beheaded. The women then did as Sun Tzu bid, marching in formation, etc. The emperor then dismissed Sun Tzu after this demonstration was over.
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DeerHunter,
I would like to hear your explanation about natural resources.
Have you admitted defeat to me again?
Thank you.
I go get dinner.