Lion without Teeth
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Originally posted by DeerHunter:
So , do you know how much marneee has this author reaped so far ?How can you be so sure.. he is not actually making a loss ?
IS it my problem how much he makes or loses? Why else write a book for if you don't intend to profit from it for the time and effort, more so on a controversial issue such as slander against a nation when proffessionals and countries around the world agree and aplaud our country's growth and efforts?
Are you not also slandering him too ?
Nope. My accusations of him are based on tangible facts from his written and published words. And the fact is that he had written lies and half truths that insulted our nation. If i have evidences of his wrong doing, then how can it be i slander? Have you lost your own moral compass or even have the ability to understand moral values?
Please also refrain from making racist remarks. We are a country that emphasize racial harmony.
I doubt if mentioning your preference for white asses is considered as a racial comment. Afterall if you like monkeys, shall i be considered passing 'specist' remarks?
Incase you didn't notice.. many of our textbooks are written by people with white ass. And many western movies you enjoy on the big screen are also produced by people with white asses....
The difference is - i dont worship or admire them unlike you when they are wrong.
So do you have proof that our gahmen is not making millions at the expense of our 3.5million citizens ?
Do you have proof that they are? The burden of proof lies with you, for you are making that allegation here and now.
Do stop, you will only make yourself look more foolish and no one will gain anything from such personal exchanges.
So you are saying nothing in his book is true ?
Or are you just making a biased remark because he is a foreigner criticising our gahmen ?
Just because you do not agree with his points does not means it is not true. Unless you can prove it, you are slandering his good name.
So please show proof that all his points are invalid. Thank you.
Again.. please refrain from making racist remarks. It shouldn't matter what color of his skin is.
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Originally posted by DeerHunter:
Again you dare not take responsiblity for your words, no guts maintain a stand and hope that others who dares challenge you by claiming they are taking your words out of context or make assumptions/inferences, so that you can twist your way out!
Again, can we not doubt the stupendous intelligence and reading ability of one who has a brain that cannot interprete what the eyes see ?
Or is it due to the kind of Singapore rote learning education from prepared answers that make you unable to find your own truth from questions raised, and will need the facts to be processed and regurgitated for your handicap mind to digest ?
"Is the Aussie writer telling the truth - that our fragility is so critical that it cannot withstand the truth being told ?"
You are hiding what you really meant, that truth is being told, but what truth? The writer's? By writing that statement shows you agree that he is telling the truth or shows his stupidity.
The words are printed as clear as each word has been carefully chosen to mean - is there any need to hide ?
Are you still trying to be a 'deerHunter' trying to find your illusive deer in Singapore ?
Atobe, in your own words, you totally lost your credibility and show what a piece of shit you truly are:-
"Is the Aussie writer telling the truth - that our fragility is so critical that it cannot withstand the truth being told ?"
You had join the writer to insult 3.5 million citizens. At least the writer made money as his intention, being a conmen. But you will only earn our spittle!
Can we trust the judgment and reading ability of a juvenile ?
Again, you speak to a larger ghost audience that has not even selected you to represent their views ? Have you joint the crowd at IMH ?
Are you so afraid of facing the truth - even when spoken by others who are more capable and observant then you ?
Can your view of the world be wider, when you see the world only through your narrow focused scope of a 'deerHunter' ?
Are you not hunting only for the deer, or have you been distracted by other issues as well ?
If i may be allowed to be uncouth for just this once, "Atobe you are a bloody bitch!"
Do need to be polite to be uncouth ?
Obviously you do not know that is not natural and quite unbecoming for a macho-'deerHunter' - afterall, you are a juvenile - only good at as 'masak-masak' deerHunter
In any case, what more can be expected from a juvenile when stumped by the truth that he cannot face ?
PS. If his work was properly researched and objective and even true, I would have accepted. But it is nothing more than a pack of twisted events to suit his arguments, lies and half truths for him to gain notorierity to obtain money from his book, at the expense of 3.5million citizens. We can accept criticism, but we will not bow before falsehoods!
What is the value of a juvenile judgment that begin from a $27 garbage bin ?
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What is the point to agrue with this guy?
SG economy can feed some 3.3 m citizens,0.5m SPR and some
1 million Foreigners working,studying etc,including some Oz too, here.
We have some $$$ in GIC etc,
a lot lands,water,talents from all over the world,
now even can have Casinos here.
what else we cant do?
http://crisp.nus.edu.sg/monthly_scenes/calendars/1999/cal_Coverpage.html
http://crisp.nus.edu.sg/monthly_scenes/calendars/1999/cal_Coverpage.html
Singapore, 1973, 1986 and 1998 (Landsat, SPOT Images)
The striking modifications of Singapore coastal areas are clearly shown in these three remote sensing images taken by the Landsat (1973, lower left) and SPOT (1986, lower right, and 1998, top) satellites. Barrages are built across the estuaries, converting them into reservoirs.
The large scale land reclamation has completely changed the south coast, from the Jurong Industrial Park to the west to the Changi International Airport to east. Tekong Island to the northeast has grown by more than 30% in size and clusters of the southern islands are merging into larger pieces of land.
Despite rapid development, Singapore has maintained its greenery very well. While primary and secondary forests are preserved in the nature reserves, the lush roadside trees and neighbourhood parks have won for the city state the reputation of being a "Garden City."
Pl compare today Strait Times25.06.2008 images at p H5.
i think red is vegetation cover.
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I guess we all need to tone down our aggresiveness over the issue. Having watched the debate over the book, I believe that the issue here is because some of us has discussed the book's credibility which is arguable due to the origin of the writer as well as harshness.
While I do not agree that the book is entirely filled with 'facts' nor agree that all the 'facts' are inevident. In my humble opinion I believe that the 'truths' may be harsh but not entirely correct nor wrong. It may be biased, but it has to source from some where that has uprooted such hostility towards our government. Thus if I were to place a mark somewhere, I'd say they are true to a certain extent and perhaps true but exaggerated.
Disclaimer: I personally have not read the book but from what my opinions are based on what I have gathered from the users of this forums.
The issues written in the book are hence highly debatable, read with discretion and readers are to deter whether they are facts how true they are or how exaggerated - every individual may differ in this respect leaning towards either but I advise readers/forumers to take it in an objective view and not personal
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never mind his talking.Babies born in poor Singapore
have much 100 % better chance to survive THAN BORN in Oz.Full stop.
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2091rank.html
Infant mortality rate
(deaths/1,000 live births)sorry to say.
SINGAPORE IS THE BEST PLACE TO GIVE BIRTH.
201Australia 4.51 2008 est. 222Singapore 2.30 2008 est. -
Originally posted by noisylion:
never mind lionnoisy talking.lower mortality, but still no Babies born in poor Singapore!
Oz have much better fertility rate THAN BORN in Sg.Full stop.
fertility rate
(childs per woman)sorry to say.
SG spend millions to improve birth rate but failed, forced to import foreign talent even some from OZ! Oz managed to increase birth rate with sucessful policy, spend less then Siggie!
AUSSIE IS THE PLACE BETTER BIRTH RATE THEN SG.
1.77Australia
1.24 <-- very lowSingapore
Pls read
The Singapore population disaster
Singapore needs to attract foreign migrants to top up the population of the city-state whose birth rate in 2005 remained at an all-time low of 1.24 children per woman, said Home Affairs Minister Wong Kan Seng.
Last year's birth rate of 1.24, the same as 2004, meant only 35,600 babies were born, well below the replacement rate of 2.1 that Singapore needs in order to replenish its population naturally, he said late Saturday in a speech.
"Our total fertility rate is at a low of 1.24... To replace ourselves, we should have 60,000 births each year," said Wong.
"For us, the gap is too large to fill with resident births. We have to top up our population and work force with migrants," he said.
Singapore’s declining birth rate
By EpilogosIncredible, but true. Singapore is too expensive a place to have a baby, so many young couples in Singapore think. This is in spite of the fact that in Singapore, both couple - husband and wife - are more likely to hold down a paid job. A new acronym, DINKS, has been invented to describe couples with jobs but no kids (Double Income No Kids).
This situation is not getting any better as more of the population ages. This will be a problem that our shrinking number of kids today will have to contend with in the years to come: support a greater number of aged people - people that are from baby boom generation of the 1950s and 1960s.
If after 41 years, we have arrived at a situation where it becomes too expensive to have even one child, then we need to question our priorities in life and the way organise ourselves. Is our national education system any good at all in producing better prospects for its citizens when it doesn’t allow them to earn enough to even start a one child family? What do we mean by a better life? Is a double-income couple a desirable development for the long term? Are the pressures on performance at work putting undue pressure that inhibits procreation, in spite of the government’s best effort and generous incentives?
Will this happen to SG?
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Originally posted by lionnoisy:
what else we cant do?
Increase the birth rate?
Desperate for a baby boom
By Kalinga Seneviratne
SINGAPORE - Alarmed by a falling birth rate and its impact on the economy, Singapore badly wants its well-educated, career-oriented women to have more babies.
Already, the government of this affluent city state has set up a high-powered committee to study ways of encouraging Singaporean couples to have at least two children. The 11-member committee, headed by top civil servant Eddie Teo, permanent secretary to the Prime Minister's Office, will look into the reasons and attitudes that hold Singaporeans back from marraige and childbirth - and ways to reverse this trend. ''The committee is in the process of gathering feedback from young people through focus group sessions to get a feel of their aspirations and problems,'' Teo told The Straits Times this week.During a parliamentary debate in March on fertility rates, Community Development Minister Abdullah Tarmugi warned that if Singaporeans have fewer babies, the country will have to rely even more on immigrants. Government MP Dr Wang Kai Yuen went even further. ''A nation that cannot revert its declining birth rate is effectively committing collective suicide,'' he warned. The root of the problem lies in the perceptions of young women toward family life, he argued.
Ironically, the dilemma facing Singapore is a vindication of the arguments put forward by many non-governmental organizations from the developing world at the Cairo population conference in 1994. There, they complained that the conference concentrated too much on birth control methods, rather than on giving women greater access to educational and employment opportunties. Many NGOs argued that if women are better educated and employed, birth rates will naturally come down.
For many young Singaporeans with well-paid professional jobs and career ambitions, child rearing, and even marriage, takes lower priority. ''Generally, Asians keep longer hours at work. If a woman has a successful career, it is likely that her job is demanding and stressful. After a long day's work she wouldn't like to start another job when she steps into the home,'' said Tang Lai-Chee, a single 40-year-old regional financial controller for a multinational media company. -
Well, Why there isn't any unsatisfied group of people (except the opposition party) voice their discomfort and unhappiness about laws or rules that are impose which affect their lives in Singapore? Because the government doesn't allow them to. Look at what happened the person who had the best reason to question the government? CHARGED! They can't really just throw him into prision simply because he is a known figure in the public.
Let's play a senario whereby a normal citizen is angered by some law that is impose. Where can this powerless man/woman go to voice his/her concern ? Speakers corner ? ... Nah, you will need to be interviewed on what you gonna say before standing on the stage.lol. On top of that is it effective to voice out there ?... haha. So what else is left ? riot ? you may be put behind bars the moment that light bulb flickers. There are more illegal ways and i shall not eleborate more on.
We are left no choice, so shut up and live on. And so as time goes by... that has become our culture. "Bear with the pain and take 1 of the country".
Enough of introduction story. Below is the production of the culture:
1) Person who sees only what is given for them to see.
- This category of people is like a child locked in a room since birth. Their parents will tell the child how luxurious the house is and how hard they worked to provide good life for him and prevent him from getting hurt by the others.The house is the best ! So people from outside including the neighbours equals BAD people.
2) Person who sees what's given and reached out to see others. - This category of people was once locked up by their parents since birth and was living the same way as category 1 child. At a point of time, he came in contact with his neighbour and got to know the way they live. He began to explore more people living outside and do comparison.
Why it seem like Singaporean is always satisfied with the way of life even when there is some ridiculous rules imposed? like the ministers pay hike ? From my view, because there is the above 2 types of person. The cat2 person will see things going the wrong ways towards them and the cat1 person will rebark at them and say "you should be contented because you still have computer to use and visit forums."
I think people from a cat1 are majority old folks who had gone through thick and thin with LKY and guess what ? ... we are a nation facing aging problem. Meaning majority are old people. Lol.
Cat1 people can never accept criticism for the country and Cat2 people will always fight for the best interest for the living standards in the country.
Maybe nobody understand what i've written... haha.
Just a side note: Prices of everything is rising, why didn't the garment force employers to rise salary ? Instead wants us to cope by ourselves? Dunwan to help citizens to pull through tough times?
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Wah SG the best place to give birth? So more beings will suffer? O.O
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Originally posted by Midlusionz:
Just a question .. If this book condem Singapore that much (And of cos imo its all true) .. Why is it even able to hit the stores? o.O
It is because if the book is banned, people are able to get it from other sources. The content also showed about Suzhou Industrial park. -
Originally posted by FireIce:
got leh. got teeth leh.
Oh, now i know why Sg has no teeth. We are a mere lion not a real lion! -
Originally posted by will4:
It is because if the book is banned, people are able to get it from other sources. The content also showed about Suzhou Industrial park.The book's a good read. But I must say that it is but one viewpoint.
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Originally posted by LazerLordz:
The book's a good read. But I must say that it is but one viewpoint.
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Originally posted by lionnoisy:
never mind his talking.Babies born in poor Singapore
have much 100 % better chance to survive THAN BORN in Oz.Full stop.
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2091rank.html
Infant mortality rate
(deaths/1,000 live births)sorry to say.
SINGAPORE IS THE BEST PLACE TO GIVE BIRTH.
201Australia 4.51 2008 est.
222Singapore 2.30 2008 est.
Please share with us, how much stress the newborns would have to bear in time to come.
Competition is everywhere. But Extreme competition in the most densed s.e asian country is another psychological barrier. Consider the Quality of Life. Consider the workload on the child. Consider happy childhood is important. Consider the cost involved to keep your child ahead of the pack where eventually, a basic degree of even a masters is oversupplying the market. Consider the competition from FTs , PRs, and anyone from anywhere in the world, all congregating here, in an already densest country in S.E asia (could be the whole of asia or the world, I not sure yet). Consider the packed malls and shopping centers. Consider the chaos in PC world and expo's. Consider the rat race, the relentless competition and the oversupply of people who can easily replace you. Consider that you are encouraged to work till you die and in fact, you most probably have to.
Here like no where else in asia, the competition will be the most intense and the place will be the densest.
Artificial and modern facilities, buildings and amenities can be purchased even by china and vietnam or thailand. Any country willing to spend can purchase artificial stuff. Its not really difficult. But that is not the most important. The most important measure of success is :
Quality of Life - your weekends in the densest, warm and humid crowded place in s.e asia , some say asia and the world. rest and relag under constant competition. Sure.
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WE DONT EVEN NEED TEETH TO CRUSH PPL FROM OZ.. BITE THAT
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Originally posted by lionnoisy:
What is the point to agrue with this guy?
SG economy can feed some 3.3 m citizens,0.5m SPR and some
1 million Foreigners working,studying etc,including some Oz too, here.
"SG economy can feed some 3.3m citizens....." - a statement made as if the people are fed by a system without a single cent paid and no sweat or blood shed ?
We have some $$$ in GIC etc,
Are the "$$$ in GIC" decidedly belonging to the 3.3m Singaporeans ?
Or in truth, are the "$$$ in GIC" - MM LKY's ''baby" - which he so jealously guard, even going to such lengths that will result in his own plan to be aborted - when his intention of an Elected President resulted in the Elected President demanding to know what is to be guarded ?
a lot lands,water,talents from all over the world,
now even can have Casinos here.
Are all these put to use for the benefit of Singaporeans ?
Or are these to used in boosting the treasury that benefit the GIC and Temasek in the hands of the First Family ?
It is amazing that these are not transferred to a Lee Foundation - different from that of the charitable Lee Kong Chian Foundation.
what else we cant do?
Can the life of the Elite be prolonged into perpetuity ?
Surely one is desparately needed now ?.
http://crisp.nus.edu.sg/monthly_scenes/calendars/1999/cal_Coverpage.html
http://crisp.nus.edu.sg/monthly_scenes/calendars/1999/cal_Coverpage.html
Pl compare today Strait Times25.06.2008 images at p H5.
i think red is vegetation cover.
The RED is the blood shed by Singaporeans to build this island - in the same manner of the blood shed by those building the Great Wall of China that can be seen from Space without even the help of any satellite.
Were there more tears shed for Confucius' passing, or that of any Emperor ?
