Why did SDP guys & supporters commit mass political suicide?
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No.1 rule for Opposition leaders is keep one's
eligible for election.
Political survivial is the top priority.
Dunt go to jail,dunt goes for bankcruptcy,dunt get sued or prosecuted.
Get a seat.But not get into cell.
Why did SDP guys and the supporters commit mass political suicide?
If convicted,they cant stand for 2011 election!
what a waste!!
http://www.yoursdp.org/index.php/component/content/article/1-singapore/552-tbt-activists-charged-for-parliament-house-protest
''Each offence carries a penalty of fine of up to $1,000.''
Disqualifications for membership of Parliament
45.(e) has been convicted of an offence by a court of law in Singapore or Malaysia and sentenced to imprisonment for a term of not less than one year or to a fine of not less than $2,000 and has not received a free pardon:
http://statutes.agc.gov.sg/
CONSTITUTION OF THE REPUBLIC OF SINGAPORE
I suggest they use more internet to call for more supports,
instead of using 1950's of face to face methods.
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Why did SDP guys and the supporters commit mass political suicide?
Wah lao, ask this question how many times already?
I also tired of replying.
Singapore Rebel
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it's not so much commiting suicide, as to being forced to jump.
that's how i feel anyway.
if SDP members are found soliciting underaged sex at geylang - that's commiting political suicide.
but if everything that they do, which is a direct threat to the govt's main party, is being used to jail them, then it's not really commiting suicide is it?
if they rise up, they goto jail, if they keep quiet, they're not effective as opposition.
everyone can see that la.
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SDP and CSJ must be giving the noisylion more then a headache to receive so much strident efforts in putting them down when they are made of stronger stuff and had shown the simple will of refusing to be pushed down.
Has it come to such a pathetic point that a noisylion will wish for CSJ and supporters to commit mass suicide ?
Is this a reflection of the exasperated inability to wipe them out of Singapore Life ?
With the Mentor Shepherd having problems handling his present bowlful of negative karma - is the noisylion striving to worsen the situation with such demented wish - more so at a time when the Mentor Shepherd do not need to worsen his situation ?
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Originally posted by lionnoisy:
No.1 rule for Opposition leaders is keep one's
eligible for election.
Political survivial is the top priority.
Dunt go to jail,dunt goes for bankcruptcy,dunt get sued or prosecuted.
Get a seat.But not get into cell.
Why did SDP guys and the supporters commit mass political suicide?
If convicted,they cant stand for 2011 election!
what a waste!!
http://www.yoursdp.org/index.php/component/content/article/1-singapore/552-tbt-activists-charged-for-parliament-house-protest
''Each offence carries a penalty of fine of up to $1,000.''
http://statutes.agc.gov.sg/
CONSTITUTION OF THE REPUBLIC OF SINGAPORE
I suggest they use more internet to call for more supports,
instead of using 1950's of face to face methods.
They are brainwashed by CSJ's rubbish. Only fools will believe that 'freedom of speech' will put food on the table. What to do if they want to believe his crap, when even his most rabid ass-kisser here - Atobe- revealed what he and therefore what SDP is really after, and her own words somemore! :-
"Are you bitten by the same bug that made CSJ an 'attention seeking whore' "
Defined lucidly in your own words:-whoring ways as a dishonest political commentator ?"As if not enough, you further trample him:-
"Even if you cannot side with CSJ or his cause, there is no reason for you to trample a fallen person deeper into the rut that he got himself into."
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CSJ antics wont do any good to Singapore nor normal Singaporeans.
Isnt it better for him and SDP to conceive a concrete future plan for Singapore instead of protesting, hunger strike etc?
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Originally posted by Spartans:
CSJ antics wont do any good to Singapore nor normal Singaporeans.
Isnt it better for him and SDP to conceive a concrete future plan for Singapore instead of protesting, hunger strike etc?
What I think is, one should try to win with the current rules, no matter how unfair it is.
When one wins, then one have the right to set their own rules, no matter how unfair it might be.
There's no use trying to overcome those strongly in power using 'illegal' methods; it just doesn't work out well, especially in a Chinese dominated Singapore where everyone is extremely practical.
Just like ancient China, when the emperor is very very good to their people by ensuring everyone thrives well, who else other than fanatics bothered about who is the emperor?
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What I think is, one should try to win with the current rules, no matter how unfair it is.
But if rules are unfair, how to win?
a Chinese dominated Singapore where everyone is extremely practical.
Taiwan?
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Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:
But if rules are unfair, how to win?
Taiwan?
But if rules are unfair, how to win?
That's why mah... if you can still win in an unfair situation, it really shows your capability ... If not how ancient generals win wars against armies with vastly superior numbers?
Taiwan?
No comments. You have a point there.
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That's why mah... if you can still win in an unfair situation, it really shows your capability
SDP also contests in elections.
They are the most active opposition party in Singapore.
We need more political parties like them.
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Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:
SDP also contests in elections.
They are the most active opposition party in Singapore.
We need more political parties like them.
Then shouldn't SDP be trying to 'Win' the ppl over instead of pissing them off
Example...... it well known that most S'porean just wants result.... Not speech after speech after speech..... Not to see the Opps leaders trying their best to be arrested and get into prison.
Why can't CJS just try his best to at least get his party elected 1st
Why all those useless 'protest' when history in S'pore have shown that it doesn't work with most S'porean.....I'm all for changing the Govt...... but only if it is done in the Parliament (like what Anwar is doing in Malaysia)..... or throught Election.
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Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:
SDP also contests in elections.
They are the most active opposition party in Singapore.
We need more political parties like them.
Active does not mean they are a good political party...they need to be smart.Which SDP have shown us, they are not able to be smart enough..
The opposition is supposed to fight a guerrilla war and be patience against the PAP, and a guerrilla is often a long and messy affair, yet it is possible for the guerrilla fighters to win the war in the end, like the Chinese communist.
The SDP is too anxious and lacks patience, hence they think they can fight a battle on even ground...which results in the destruction of the SDP.
And please, the Taiwanese election can be called an random effect...almost no one expects the DDP to win the election in 2000...and the current president at that time make certain measures to ensure the KMT is fighting among themselves....
Moreover, what did the DDP achieve in the end? More Taiwanese are unhappy with their current situation, their economy lost their competitiveness and furthermore, it might be possible for the political opposition party in taiwan to lose their credibility for a long time.
If you guys want the opposition to win, then you all need to be patience, and play smart.
Outmanoeuvring the PAP is a difficult task, but a political party that can outmanoeuvre the PAP deserve to lead singapore due to how they are able to achieve it with hard work AND talent...
Know when to fight a guerrilla war, and know when to fight a coventional war...now is the time to conduct a guerrilla war, not a coventional war...so being way too active is not the right move...
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Originally posted by DeerHunter:
They are brainwashed by CSJ's rubbish. Only fools will believe that 'freedom of speech' will put food on the table. What to do if they want to believe his crap, when even his most rabid ass-kisser here - Atobe- revealed what he and therefore what SDP is really after, and her own words somemore! :-
"Are you bitten by the same bug that made CSJ an 'attention seeking whore' "
Defined lucidly in your own words:-whoring ways as a dishonest political commentator ?"As if not enough, you further trample him:-
"Even if you cannot side with CSJ or his cause, there is no reason for you to trample a fallen person deeper into the rut that he got himself into."
Hahahaha - your Great Mentor Shepherd will be laughing at you attempts to bastardise his ways in repeating your lies across several threads - and hope to make it stick to become the truth.
Only a foolish juvenile 'deerHunter' will attempt to twist the words of the Bear's creative venom and will dishonestly pin it as Atobe's creative work.
Surely it is obvious that you have been piqued by my constant hammering of your juvenile replies in all the threads - that has led to your 1% inspiration to plagiarise the Bear's venomous work, and use your 99% perspiration to make it seen to be my work
You can rest peacefully as the infantile works of a juvenile in such imitative acts has exposed a deeper side of mental inadequacy to hit back, except to make repeated efforts with a single 1% inspired lie and hope to make it stick from the 99% perspiration.
Unfortunately, what have you got to show for your 99% perspiration - when “Thomas Edison” could produce a light bulb with only 1% inspiration ?
The Light Emitting Diode will surely not light up when placed near you despite your attempt at associating with “Thomas Edison” by simply quoting his words.
Originally posted by DeerHunter: 27 Jun'08 5.51PM "Latest: Mr LKY's wife critically ill"It was not easy. I am from the old school of success - 1% inspiration and 99% perspiration. It's not about just working smart, but working hard, even now.
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Originally posted by hloc:
Then shouldn't SDP be trying to 'Win' the ppl over instead of pissing them off
Example...... it well known that most S'porean just wants result.... Not speech after speech after speech..... Not to see the Opps leaders trying their best to be arrested and get into prison.
Why can't CJS just try his best to at least get his party elected 1st
Why all those useless 'protest' when history in S'pore have shown that it doesn't work with most S'porean.....I'm all for changing the Govt...... but only if it is done in the Parliament (like what Anwar is doing in Malaysia)..... or throught Election.
The problem began with the Ruling Party fearing a mass recruitment of disgruntled professionals and highly qualified individuals joining the Alternative Political Parties.
CSJ was the first doctorate degree holder to join politics on the side of the Alternative Political Parties after a period of 25 years - and that he can shake a Prime Minister's constituency on his second outing in the by-Election of 1992 in Marine Parade - it caused all the alarm bells to ring in LKY's mind.
The same alarm bells rang when JBJ was successful in winning a seat ten years earlier, and LKY did his level best to 'fix' JBJ and have him thrown out of Parliament.
CSJ was victimised by the dirty politics practised by the Ruling Political Party - in the accusations of him being a cheat on some trumped up charges from a $2 difference in the reimbursement taxi fare claimed by CSJ - that was approved one year before CSJ stood as an election candidate; and a second false charge of being a cheat for some postage that cost NUS less then $50 due to a purposeful misreading of the situation over a joint submission of his wife's research work as supporting papers being submitted by CSJ for validation by a US university.
Both the false charges were levelled at CSJ by his faculty head, who was a long term stalwart in the Ruling Party - who sued CSJ for libel for the rebutting the false charges that meant the faculty head was a liar.
CSJ was caught in a no win situation - given that the Singapore Judiciary has never been seen to be independent of the political agenda of the Ruling Political Party - as was seen in the manner that the late High Court Justice Sinnathuray tormenting efforts at JBJ, after JBJ was acquitted by a Lower Court Judge Michael Khoo; and which a subsequent appeal of the High Court judgment to the Privy Council resulted in the correctness of his acquittal by the Lower Court Judge.
Under such circumstances, could CSJ enter the political arena by any other ways, when the playing field is not level, and the rules are arbitrarily set by the Ruling Political Party to ensure their own political superiority.
Compared to CSJ willingness to take up hot issues, WP LTK and SDA CST have both hardly made any impact in Parliament, nor in their respective Constituencies.
Both gentlemen could not even win their rights as elected Members of Parliament for their respective Constituencies to even lead their own constituents in the National Day celebrations, or even establish their offices in the void decks of the HDB flats in the same quality environment as the PAP MPs in their constituencies.
What has both gentlemen to show for the period that they have been re-elected as MPs in their respective Constituencies ?
As matters stand, both gentlemen had their percentages slightly reduced in Election 2006 - even as their more junior members were more successful in making a dent even in the PM LHL's GRC.
Since Election 2006 - the Ruling Party has tightened the rules governing the activities of the Alternative Political Parties, with the Police Force leading the other government agencies to harrass or stone-wall the applications by the Alternative Parties for licenses to conduct political activities in their constituencies.
Beyond their respective constituencies, the WP and SDA do not seem to conduct any poltiical activities to reach out to Singaporeans, or raise their own political PR profile - compared to the efforts by CSJ and the SDP in daring to represent Singaporean's concern in more vocal and pro-active ways.
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Low's WP might be less visibly active. But it doesn't mean that he's not visible.
CSJ is visible to the public, problem is, he disgusts a lot more of singaporeans than attracts them to the opposition cause.
Problem is, CSJ has never understood the mentality and character of Singaporeans. His methods might work in maybe USA, i don't know, but it won't work in Singapore. Most of my friends don't support PAP, but given the choice of SDP or PAP, PAP seems to be the lesser of 2 evils.More publicity is good, but when it is bad publicity, it can only hurt the cause and not help it. Come election time, more people will still support the WP than the SDP. In this, WP seems to have understood and don't be surprised when they can get a few more capable candidates, they may be able to spring a surprise on the PAP.
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If the SDP truly commited political suicide then lionnoisy would not be spending so much effort starting threads on them. But the fact that he is shows that whatever they are doing, as much as I don't agree with the sheer utility of the methods, are having some effect on our lionnoisy.
That's not political suicide, ironically lionnoisy has kept them with some credibility by trying to discredit and put so much attention on them.
If it was political suicide, nobody would care about them, to put it simply. That would be political suicide.
The NKF saga is a good example of political suicide is you're caught in it.
Politics exist beyond parliment, a concept that seems to be lost on lionnoisy.
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Originally posted by pigsticker:
CSJ is visible to the public, problem is, he disgusts a lot more of singaporeans than attracts them to the opposition cause.
Problem is, CSJ has never understood the mentality and character of Singaporeans. His methods might work in maybe USA, i don't know, but it won't work in Singapore. Most of my friends don't support PAP, but given the choice of SDP or PAP, PAP seems to be the lesser of 2 evils.the first time i knew about him was when he was on tv regarding the loan to indonesia, and at that time i actually thought
"wow this guy's doing something that the rest of us don't dare to"
but after his "performances" for the last few years, i don't even give a heck when he appears in the papers, whenever his name comes up i'll just flip to the next page. i don't even think i can call him a politician, calling him a clown seems more appropriate.
and reading about his past and current exploits certainly didn't help my opinion of him, he's more about being anti-PAP then pro singapore,
while i don't like the pap at all, it'll be a cold day in hell before i even vote for him or anyone linked to him
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Originally posted by pigsticker:
Low's WP might be less visibly active. But it doesn't mean that he's not visible.
CSJ is visible to the public, problem is, he disgusts a lot more of singaporeans than attracts them to the opposition cause.
I am not sure how you intend to balance out "being less visibly active" is equal to "doesn't mean that he's not visible"
Are you attempting to make him more visible by having two negatives in your statement to make his visibility become positive ?
Have you taken a sampling of the disgusts felt by "a lot more of singaporeans" shown to be so conclusive in your statement ?
Or is the truth not closer to the 'kiasu-and-kiasi' fact that most Singaporeans feel that it is better to sacrifice CSJ then ourselves, and let him butt head with the government while everyone sit back and wait for some reaction from the Government that will beneift everyone ?
Problem is, CSJ has never understood the mentality and character of Singaporeans. His methods might work in maybe USA, i don't know, but it won't work in Singapore. Most of my friends don't support PAP, but given the choice of SDP or PAP, PAP seems to be the lesser of 2 evils.What do you see as the mentality and character of Singaopreans ?
If it does not work, do you think that the Government will not take pro-active responses to nip the problems in the bud - as in the manner that the Government has given the political space for Singaporeans to decide on issues that affect their neighborhood; but will insist that National Issues will remain the decision making responsibilities of politicians in Parliament ?
This response was to prevent Singaporeans from swaying into the arms of the Alternative Political Parties by cleverly giving Singapore a false psychological control of their own destiny - even if it is a local one that affects their immediate environment.
On the one hand, they will destroy potent political personalities in the Alternative Parties such as CSJ, JBJ, Francis Seow, Tan Liang Hong - and even likely potential ones that have been destroyed such as NUS Student Union President Tan Wah Piow, Lawyers Teo Soh Lung,and Mirza Namazie - all having direct brushes with LKY.
More publicity is good, but when it is bad publicity, it can only hurt the cause and not help it. Come election time, more people will still support the WP than the SDP. In this, WP seems to have understood and don't be surprised when they can get a few more capable candidates, they may be able to spring a surprise on the PAP.
Can any Singaporean control the publicity generating machine - when it is monopolised by the Ruling Party that form the Government ?
It is left to intelligent Singaporeans to know that the more stridently negative image that has been purposefully created to destroy the individual characters of politicians from the Alternatiive Parties - will reveal the assessment of the Ruling Parties as to who is the most threatening personalities from the Alternative Political Parties that will be most able to challenge their position.
From historical records, one can review LKY's methods in dealing with political personalities who will threaten his own position - as can be reviewed in the manner that he treated Lim Chin Siong, a person whom he had introduced - to Chief Minister David Marshall. - as the most capable person to be the first Prime Minister of Singapore.
Yet it was the very person whom LKY feel most threatened in his own political scheme for his own ambitious future, and LKY worked with the Colonial Government to exercise the ISA and placed Lim Chin Siong under arrest - while LKY moved on to be the Prime Minister.
Reference reading:
“Lim Chin Siong vs Lee Kuan Yew : The true and shocking history – Part 1: Our man”
“Lim Chin Siong vs Lee Kuan Yew – Part II: Get him!”
“Lim Chin Siong vs Lee Kuan Yew : The true and shocking history – Part 3: The end of Lim Chin Siong”
"Lim Chin Siong, the man who was nearly our PM – Part 5"
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Originally posted by SingaporeTyrannosaur:
If the SDP truly commited political suicide then lionnoisy would not be spending so much effort starting threads on them. But the fact that he is shows that whatever they are doing, as much as I don't agree with the sheer utility of the methods, are having some effect on our lionnoisy.
That's not political suicide, ironically lionnoisy has kept them with some credibility by trying to discredit and put so much attention on them.
If it was political suicide, nobody would care about them, to put it simply. That would be political suicide.
The NKF saga is a good example of political suicide is you're caught in it.
Politics exist beyond parliment, a concept that seems to be lost on lionnoisy.
Clearly you have hit the nail on the head, ST.
Politics is not merely for the politicians as LKY and GCT will have us swallow this as some Biblical fact.
Politics is LIFE itself - and concerns every aspect of Humanities that is required to make a complete Human live life to the fullest.
It is the self-interest of the politicians in LKY and GCT that they will declare Politics to be out-of-bounds to every Singaporean, unless we join some political party - and submit ourselves to their kind of dirty political rules that are drafted by them in their own self-interest.
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...he job is simple... to expose to the world what a bunch of dishonorable despots rule Singapore so that the world will always despise them for the rest of history and wit the Internet, they cannot hope to change history to make themselves look good...
...their children and descendants will always be spending money they should be ashamed of spending... but knowing the kind of dishonorable upbringing they have... sigh....
...can you imagine what a tragedy for the world if any of the dishonorable despots were offered a post like the one offered to His Excellency José Ramos-Horta...
"one of the UN's top jobs, with its prestige and perks, the splendour of its headquarters in the Palais Wilson in Geneva and the ..."
or His Excellency United Nations Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon ...
... can you imagine if there is no Dr Chee Soon Juan to expose their dishonorable characters and they are offered something like this? sheesh, scary.....
...if that is political suicide, SO BE IT!!!That is why he is a MARTYR!!!
...propose LKY's name and the world will be going... "that dishonorable despot that win elections like a scam artist and take public money for his descendants to spend on wine women and song? nah... we are not silliporeans..."
...dishonorable despot running a dishonorable country.... -
martyr my ass..
the conman knows he doesn't have anyone's support so he does this sort of shit in order to have something to whine about..
it's like those psychologically unsound people who mutilate themselves then blame society for their own inadequacies...
if he really had anything at all, he'd do it INSIDE parliament when he wins.. however, he knows he cannot so in order to "hit back" at the MIW, he stabs himself one and tries to blame the MIW...
he's just an attention whore... the sad thing is that some really dumbasses out there believe him
i pity those dumbasses.. because i save my pity for retards
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hahaha... don't be ignorant and repeat what the old despot said.... what he said was soundly condemned ...
Anthony Yeo, Consultant Therapist at the Counselling and Care Centre,
"This attack culminated in your amateurish attempt at offering a diagnosis of his personality that is flawed in all ways... "
"MM Lee Kuan Yew decided to engage in such denigration of Chee Soon Juan on more than one occasion. His name calling of him as being a psychopath reflects his ignorance... "
...so don't repeat what the old despots said and lick the despot's as-hole OK?
hahahaha...
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Originally posted by Atobe:
Beyond their respective constituencies, the WP and SDA do not seem to conduct any poltiical activities to reach out to Singaporeans, or raise their own political PR profile - compared to the efforts by CSJ and the SDP in daring to represent Singaporean's concern in more vocal and pro-active ways.And the avg S'porean have shown how much they like his more vocal and daring ways at the last election didn't it......
The last election..... SDP got the worst result among all the Opps. WP & SDA both retain their seats..... with WP nearly winning another seat. SO, what had SDP achive...... if memory service me right.... less than 30% of the Votes in Sembawang GRC.
Won't the "more vocal and pro-active ways" of the SDP be better server... when used in Parliament
Until SDP could get themselves elected into the Parliament..... all they are doing is like a NGO..... cause they could bring out alot of concern (so could alot of 'Uncle' at any Coffeeshop)..... but they can't even get a chance to Vote or Question the Govt in Parliament (again, like alot of 'Uncle' at any Coffeeshop).
To SDP...... GET YOURSELF ELECTED 1st FOR GODSAKE
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Originally posted by hloc:
And the avg S'porean have shown how much they like his more vocal and daring ways at the last election didn't it......
The last election..... SDP got the worst result among all the Opps. WP & SDA both retain their seats..... with WP nearly winning another seat. SO, what had SDP achive...... if memory service me right.... less than 30% of the Votes in Sembawang GRC.
Won't the "more vocal and pro-active ways" of the SDP be better server... when used in Parliament
Until SDP could get themselves elected into the Parliament..... all they are doing is like a NGO..... cause they could bring out alot of concern (so could alot of 'Uncle' at any Coffeeshop)..... but they can't even get a chance to Vote or Question the Govt in Parliament (again, like alot of 'Uncle' at any Coffeeshop).
To SDP...... GET YOURSELF ELECTED 1st FOR GODSAKE
yup.. no form of disrespect meant for CSJ's ways of representing Singaporean's concern.. But.. His actions.. is like macam standing on a stage, taking a knife and stabbing himself multiple times in his heart and shouting at the same time "HEAR ME HEAR ME, HEAR WHAT I HAVE TO SAY FOR THE BETTER OF SINGAPOREANS!" , then collapsing from his injuries before he can manage to say anything..
Jeez... Couldn't there have been a better way to "...represent Singaporean's concern..." ?
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Originally posted by DeerHunter:
They are brainwashed by CSJ's rubbish. Only fools will believe that 'freedom of speech' will put food on the table. What to do if they want to believe his crap, when even his most rabid ass-kisser here - Atobe- revealed what he and therefore what SDP is really after, and her own words somemore! :-
"Are you bitten by the same bug that made CSJ an 'attention seeking whore' "
Defined lucidly in your own words:-whoring ways as a dishonest political commentator ?"As if not enough, you further trample him:-
"Even if you cannot side with CSJ or his cause, there is no reason for you to trample a fallen person deeper into the rut that he got himself into."
Atobe is working for SDP and I wont be surprise if he is one of those blinded fool who were being conned by CSJ to participate in the mass rally.
