Why did SDP guys & supporters commit mass political suicide?
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Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:
So do you want a temple to be build to worship Lee Kuan Yew as god after Lee Kuan Yew dies?
Poh, as I mentioned to some people before that those lackeys can build temple called LKY temple and worship him after he dies. These people can go there and ask for 4D/toto numbers. This way, LKY can contribute to money making in Singapore even after he passes on. -
Yes, I think it will be good idea to build a temple to worship Lee Kuan Yew.
I will donate money to build the temple.
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Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:
Yes, I think it will be good idea to build a temple to worship Lee Kuan Yew.
I will donate money to build the temple.
Waaa donate also donate 10 cents 20 cents. Money is precious.
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If Lee Kuan Yew dies this year, I will donate $100.
If Lee Kuan Yew dies next year, I will donate $50.
If Lee Kuan Yew dies in 2010, I will donate $20.
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Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:
Yes, I think it will be good idea to build a temple to worship Lee Kuan Yew.
I will donate money to build the temple.
I rather donate money to help those poor people. No need donate money to build his temple, the rich lackeys will have more than enough money to sponsor building and maintaining the temple. I prefer to put my money to good use. -
Originally posted by Civilgoh:
I rather donate money to help those poor people. No need donate money to build his temple, the rich lackeys will have more than enough money to sponsor building and maintaining the temple. I prefer to put my money to good use.I would also prefer to put money to good use. However, the rich will not build a temple for him. They are possibly very practical people who will not care when someone dies. Not even a person really close to them.
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Originally posted by Atobe:
Is there any good that the WP and SDA Members of Parliament has done after being elected into Parliament ?
Both were subjected to the rules of Parliament, and to the bullying tactics and strategies of an overwhelming majority of the PAP dominated Parliament.
Even the Speaker of Parliament is a PAP MP and appointed to the chair - when most other parliaments have that position occupied by a neutral non-partisan personality.
How often has the Speaker of Parliament cut off WP and SDA for their persistence, when both never attempted to pursue any issues ?
JBJ's time in Parliament had seen more persistence in chasing for answers on issues of public interests, and got cruxified by the Parliamentary Disciplinary Committees - that were weighed heavily by PAP members to form kangaroo courts that always led to a single outcome.
If one revisit History, one will note that the Rules of Parliament had been changed by LKY since the time after the Barisan Sosialis walked out of Parliament in protest to the shameful parliamentary practices pushed by LKY
Since the last Referendum for Merger with Malaysia, LKY has refused to allow Singaporeans to participate directly in the political process on any major issues that affect Singaporeans - in the same manner that the citizens in more enlightened countries like Switzerland and even Israel are open to.
Yes, get elected into Parliament - under whose game rules "in and out of Parliament" ?
So..... what had CJS 'Shouting' for sooo loong achived
Anything Is PAP any less strong Is the Govt any less 'Self-Centred' Is the numbers of seats in Parliament for the PAP getting less Anwar is now a threat to BN...... NOT because he is shouting out in the streets, but his is 'shouting out' INSIDE Parliament. If Anwar is shouting out in the streets..... BN could easily dismiss or imprsion him again..... NO NEED to have another "allegations of sodomy" leveled against him..... yet again.
Look at CJS..... CAN'T EVEN get his party or member in his party elected..... So, we could very much gives up on 'Him' trying to unite all other Opps parties together to challenge the Govt like Anwar did.....
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I agree. SDP should change tactics and apply direct confrontation against the PAP and their policies.
This fucking PAP has been scoring too many easy victories in elections.
No strong opponent to keep them on their toes.
All strong opponents have been crushed and exiled.
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Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:
I agree. SDP should change tactics and apply direct confrontation against the PAP and their policies.
This fucking PAP has been scoring too many easy victories in elections.
No strong opponent to keep them on their toes.
All strong opponents have been crushed and exiled.
If they are strong enough...they won't be crushed and exiled...
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Originally posted by ray245:
If they are strong enough...they won't be crushed and exiled...
Correct..... which is why in Anwar case..... there is a need to again use some "Sodomy" case to discredit him.
Lets ask ourselves this question..... How could SDP or CJS claim that they represent the ppl of S'pore, when the ppl of S'pore NEVER EVER voted them into Parliament ever since CJS is the Leader of the party
WP or SDA might not have done much in Parliament, as some forumrunner had pointed out..... BUT THEY ARE VOTED IN BY THE PPL,and could claim LEGITMACY that they have the support of the ppl.
If CJS or SDP wants the same legitmacy...... they MUST 1st get themselve elected..... then CJS style of questioning could be put to good use inside Parliament.
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Originally posted by hloc:
So..... what had CJS 'Shouting' for sooo loong achived
Anything Is PAP any less strong Is the Govt any less 'Self-Centred' Is the numbers of seats in Parliament for the PAP getting less Have you taken the trouble to find out what is CSJ's declared objective - given the circumstances when he was victimised by the Ruling Party from the very beginning on his entry into Politics at his second Election in 1992 ?
When did you discover that you have become more politically concious of the politics practised by this Government ?
When did you discovered yourself to be politically more critical and more vocal ?
Can you remember when you decide to be pro-active for yourself ?
Year 2005 ? In the month of October - when you decide to throw caution to the wind and participate in this Speaker's Corner to express your thoughts in print ?
Have you seen your own development through the years ?
It took LKY almost 50 over years to create a political fortress for the future of his political legacy - do you expect CSJ with no resources available to him, to tear down this fortress in less years ?
Anwar is now a threat to BN...... NOT because he is shouting out in the streets, but his is 'shouting out' INSIDE Parliament. If Anwar is shouting out in the streets..... BN could easily dismiss or imprsion him again..... NO NEED to have another "allegations of sodomy" leveled against him..... yet again.
Is Anwar already shouting in Parliament ?
Which Malaysian newspaper have you been reading ?
He has not even been elected, and is merely taking over his wife's elected position to get into Parliament - do you think this is allowed in Malaysian politics ?
You must surely have been reading the wrong newspapers if you believe that there is not another sodomy charge being levelled at Anwar - why do you think he is taking refuge in the Turkish Embassy over this weekend ?
Look at CJS..... CAN'T EVEN get his party or member in his party elected..... So, we could very much gives up on 'Him' trying to unite all other Opps parties together to challenge the Govt like Anwar did.....
Surely you do not expect CJS to be promoted by CSJ or the SDP ?
Who is CJS ?
Is CSJ taking the leadership role to unite the Opposition Parties ?
I am not sure where you get all your information to cook up your very peculiar views of politics in Malaysia and Singapore.
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Originally posted by hloc:
Correct..... which is why in Anwar case..... there is a need to again use some "Sodomy" case to discredit him.
Did you not mention in your above reply dated 29 Apr 08 3.46PM that
Anwar is now a threat to BN...... NOT because he is shouting out in the streets, but his is 'shouting out' INSIDE Parliament. If Anwar is shouting out in the streets..... BN could easily dismiss or imprsion him again..... NO NEED to have another "allegations of sodomy" leveled against him..... yet again.
How did you change your position in less then 24 hours ?
Did you find some new information that allowed you to reconsider your thoughts in and publishing it in some less reckless manner ?
Lets ask ourselves this question..... How could SDP or CJS claim that they represent the ppl of S'pore, when the ppl of S'pore NEVER EVER voted them into Parliament ever since CJS is the Leader of the party
WP or SDA might not have done much in Parliament, as some forumrunner had pointed out..... BUT THEY ARE VOTED IN BY THE PPL,and could claim LEGITMACY that they have the support of the ppl.
Was there ever a CJS representing SDP ?
Since his entry into politics, I have yet to see any printed word from anyone that quoted CSJ declaring that either himself or the SDP represent the "ppl of S'pore" - how did you come to lay your hands on such a print ?
Did you mistake his offer to represent Singaporeans - to fight for the political space - as a claim in itself ?
If the offer is not taken, can he be seen to represent anyone ?
Does it mean that he cannot even represent himself or those who accepted his offer ?
Are those numbers who accepted his offer not Singaporeans too ?
If CJS or SDP wants the same legitmacy...... they MUST 1st get themselve elected..... then CJS style of questioning could be put to good use inside Parliament.
Are you being naive in the same manner as you have interpreted the "Anwar matter" ?
Do you seriously think that LKY will allow a "wild-card" that he cannot discipline to enter Parliament and give his dear Son a hard time ?
LKY will not allow any pressure to fall on LHL - as any pressures or stress will result in a chance of LHL's cancer recurring.
What do you think were the reasons for LKY's malevolent efforts at politically destroying the political challenges from Francis Seow, Tang Liang Hong and JBJ - just when LHL was soon to step into the PM chair ?
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police records of the incident
http://www.spf.gov.sg/mic/2008/080315_unlawfulassembly.htm
15 Mar 2008
Police Statement on unlawful assembly on 15 March 2008 ''In response to media queries, Police confirmed that it received calls from
members of the public at about 2.20 pm on Saturday, 15 Mar 2008 informing that a
group of about 20 persons wearing red t-shirts were staging a protest outside the
Parliament House.
Upon arrival, police officers observed that Chee Soon Juan was with a group of
about 20 persons chanting slogans and displaying various placards. They were all clad
in similar red-coloured t-shirts.
Chee and his group ignored repeated Police warnings to stop the unlawful
assembly. Instead, Chee and his group persisted with their actions and also began to
stage a protest march towards Funan Digitalife Mall waving placards.
The group was given a final warning by Police to stop the protest march or face
arrest. Chee and 11 others defied the police warning and were eventually stopped in
front of Funan Digitalife Mall and five placards were seized from them. In effecting the
arrest, Police faced resistance from some of the members who struggled and locked
their arms together. Police equipment including a police radio set was damaged. One
of the protesters, Chee Siok Chin had tried to bite a female police officer when the
latter tried to arrest her.
Not the first attempt by Chee Soon Juan in acts of wilful civil disobedience
Police note that this episode is the not the first attempt by Chee Soon Juan and
other SDP members to stage illegal assemblies as part of their campaign for civil
disobedience against the Singapore authorities.
In October last year, Chee had staged an unlawful demonstration at the Istana
Park facing the Istana main entrance on 8 Oct 2007. Chee had also staged an
unlawful assembly at the Myanmar embassy on 30 Sep 2007 to collect a petition
against the Myanmar Government and the Singapore authorities. This latest incident at
Parliament House today saw an escalation in the level of defiance shown by Chee’s
group; for the first time, the group staged typical militant protest methods of locking
arms to resist arrest practised by some protest groups in Western countries. The
attack by Chee Siok Chin is also unprecedented and police are investigating into the
matter.
Parliament House is a high security installation. Outdoor protest activities are
not allowed given their potential for public disorder and disruption to community life.
Chee had earlier applied for a police permit to hold a protest rally but this was an
empty gesture as a subsequent posting on SDP's website indicated that SDP intended
to proceed with the rally on 15 Mar at 2.00 pm even though a permit was not obtained.
The post also urged "all Singaporeans who cannot stomach PAP's bullying anymore to
join" the event. Chee’s deliberate actions to break the law and defy the authorities are
consistent with his previous unlawful acts, for which he has been charged and
convicted in Court.
Chee has persisted to advocate civil disobedience and street politics as the
means for political action in Singapore. In so doing, he disregards the law and holds
himself above it so long as he thinks the law in question is one he does not approve.
Police reiterates that no one is above the law. Our laws apply equally to all, whether
local or foreigners and it will apply no less to Chee.''--end of quote -
CSJ asked CASE can protest but not SDP.
Simple answer.Police made perfect prediction that the main theme
of SDP is not what they said in application.
see what SDP did!
see what CASE did.
Arguments on constitution continue on day 4 of trial
I think CSJ dunt want another contempt of court.Right?
He@ also sided with the prosecution's contention that the Ministry for Home Affairs' declaration that it would not allow protests of any nature is not unconstitutional, t
@District Judge Chia Wee Kiat
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