(A recall of an old post at asiaone.com)
Who created it?
A system of government which taxes the citizens and denies provisions
of essential services to the people like housing, medicare,
transportation and utilities. As if this is not burden enough to the
people, the government went further to practise all kinds of creative
accounting schemes to make double profits on lands acquired
compulsorily from people at dirt cheap prices through HDB and URA and
on disposals of assets and infrastructures to GLCs.
Such a system means that citizens pay taxes and yet are not getting the
entitled services resulting in many kidney and other chronic medical
patients being left to be looked after by the people themselves through
charity.
When NKF was formed, of course, it lessened the burdens of many kidney
patients who otherwise will have to struggle with their own expenses
entirely without help to the relief of the government of Mr.
Mrs. Goh Chok
Tong of course were very grateful to whatever NKF and Durai were
doing and were seen to be supporting the highest pay for Durai which she called
peanuts.
So who created the NKF problems? Government or NKF or Durai?
Dr Khoo Oon Teik started NKF/
Originally posted by Fantagf:Dr Khoo Oon Teik started NKF/
But who took away all their monies until they had no more monies to see a coctor or pay for dialysis so out of pity all the ah peh and ah sim chip in to raise the nkf when Dr. Khoo waved the hat?
Which is the causation?
Who created money ? What causes greed ? Who creates greed in men ? Who created men ?
No welfare no tax but just looks at how much is the tax.
How to create monies if one keeps taking and not giving ?
So who is greedy?
Who plays god?
Without creating how to take ? Without greed why create ?
Originally posted by kramnave:Without creating how to take ? Without greed why create ?
Create what? You mean tax, hoard and profiteer like the HDB or LTA. or heavy weight ministers creating a first-world value-adding technology driven knowledge-based economy surpassing Japan, Swiss, Finland or Korea?
Originally posted by robertteh:But who took away all their monies until they had no more monies to see a coctor or pay for dialysis so out of pity all the ah peh and ah sim chip in to raise the nkf when Dr. Khoo waved the hat?
Which is the causation?
Sad to see NKF went through all the shit from Durai. Dr Khoo started it and meant it to serve the people, for kidney patients, not for greed.
Originally posted by robertteh:Create what? You mean tax, hoard and profiteer like the HDB or LTA. or heavy weight ministers creating a first-world value-adding technology driven knowledge-based economy surpassing Japan, Swiss, Finland or Korea?
Without creating the infrastructure for you to earn how they take from you ? If you are not earning then they are not taking.
Originally posted by kramnave:Without creating the infrastructure for you to earn how they take from you ? If you are not earning then they are not taking.
Who paid for these so-called infrastructures?
Originally posted by robertteh:Who paid for these so-called infrastructures?
Which came 1st ? The chicken or the egg ?
Originally posted by kramnave:Which came 1st ? The chicken or the egg ?
One man cannot build a nation. A proud and arrogant person cannot be a good leader.
No one should play god.
If taxing and hoarding monies and profiteering happen of such a scale as we are seeing for past 40 plus years the leaders have no longer the right to use propagandas like "no free lunch or no welfare" to tax and profit more.
Can you not once understand my crux of all my posts?
Such merciless policies have already caused many old men and women to be ejected into streets or void decks and many many ordinary citizens have no monies left after being forced to pay all sorts of fees for even the most basic services which should have been financed from taxes already paid.
The whole governing system has been a big screw-up. Don't you understand these facts about our merciless callous governing system which even if it succeeds in GDP growths or attracting more foreign workers here to increase our ERP is no success at all to most ordinary citizens. If you are from WP as claimed then you are not on the right track yet to help citizens.
Originally posted by robertteh:One man cannot build a nation. A proud and arrogant person cannot be a good leader.
No one should play god.
If taxing and hoarding monies and profiteering happen of such a scale as we are seeing for past 40 plus years the leaders have no longer the right to use propagandas like "no free lunch or no welfare" to tax and profit more.
Can you not once understand my crux of all my posts?
Such merciless policies have already caused many old men and women to be ejected into streets or void decks and many many ordinary citizens have no monies left after being forced to pay all sorts of fees for even the most basic services which should have been financed from taxes already paid.
The whole governing system has been a big screw-up. Don't you understand these facts about our merciless callous governing system which even if it succeeds in GDP growths or attracting more foreign workers here to increase our ERP is no success at all to most ordinary citizens. If you are from WP as claimed then you are not on the right track yet to help citizens.
I never did claim that I was from WP. I can see where you are coming from, however your views are too extreme, to the point i believe that all you want is money but you got no idea where to get that from.
and that is the fault of the ruling party..creating people who lives in a world without colours
I am not sure what this topic is all about:
Is it:
Who created NKF
OR
Who created the NKF problems?
At the end of the day, robert, it's another one of your rants against PAP...
... cannot shit, PAP fault, shit too much also PAP fault.
Originally posted by kramnave:and that is the fault of the ruling party..creating people who lives in a world without colours
I have shown you by rationale your chicken and egg logic was not very correct. Furthermore when you are elected the leaders and are paid to do the job, you cannot keep pushing away problems and responsibilities as is seen happening too often from NKF to Mas Selamat. As for my reference to your being with WP, I am referring to your past posts suggesting to people to join the WP.
I might be wrong of course on this score.
Originally posted by Chin Eng:I am not sure what this topic is all about:
Is it:
Who created NKF
OR
Who created the NKF problems?
At the end of the day, robert, it's another one of your rants against PAP...
... cannot shit, PAP fault, shit too much also PAP fault.
Nation building is a big issue concerning every citizen. One man is not enough and he should not try to claim credit. He should also be more willing to admit his past domination of every sphere of political life including suing political oppositions for the slightest negative remarks made in the course of electioneering or politicking as defamation.
Chicken or egg first ? Let all judge who caused all these NKF or Mas Selamat. If the root cause i.e. taxing hoarding taxes and creating surpluses and profiteering through HDB and all GLCs is not understood by leaders will we likely to solve our many problems like rising costs of living or upgrading the economy to value-adding technology-driven first-world economy talked about for years?
Originally posted by robertteh:I have shown you by rationale your chicken and egg logic was not very correct. Furthermore when you are elected the leaders and are paid to do the job, you cannot keep pushing away problems and responsibilities as is seen happening too often from NKF to Mas Selamat. As for my reference to your being with WP, I am referring to your past posts suggesting to people to join the WP.
I might be wrong of course on this score.
I don't know what you have shown or proven. It takes 2 hands to clap..so which came 1st the chicken or the egg ?
Originally posted by kramnave:I don't know what you have shown or proven. It takes 2 hands to clap..so which came 1st the chicken or the egg ?
It is very simple. There is no chicken or egg condition attached when people went to the poll to elect leaders to govern the country. Even if these leaders were elected without pays or with low pays they must still do their jobs well done and not give any excuses for any failure to try to explain them away or deny them with a chicken and egg poser.
In the election the leaders do not tell the electorate they agree to stand for election only on certain conditions like they are not answerable for any failures beyond their control.
They must show results and people are the final judge of any results or lack of results and people will remain their master and not become their servile slaves to let them do as they like due to any propaganda.
Leadership should include ability to win over the people of all shape and sizes personality traits or dispositions. If they have no patience or personal EQ to win over the people in general and opponents as well they are not fit to be leaders period.
Leaders must remain calm and act professionally and above board at all times no matter how trying the circumstances may be. If they cannot accept or tolerate criticisms right or wrong and try to fix them with underhand like sending cover agents to undermine civil views and opinions they are not good leaders.
They must pass high standards of test such as the above-mentioned in order to lead the people with justice and equity, logic, rationale setting personal example with endurance of sacrifice as necessary like Nelson Mendela or Gandhi has done.
Good leaders must answer to problems and issues as disclosed in NKF and not sue critics or oppositions for trying to question them over such problems.
It is simply not right to put up all kinds of propaganda to make people look bad in order to make themselves too better especially in overseas visits to Middle East recently.
This kind of government can be described simply as "Chih Li Bah Wai" or loosely translated "Biting the fingers that feed food" or "Getting filled at home while crawling out to serve others"
It is wrong to use power to get their way like legalistic wrangling or passing all sorts of laws to get their way or to increase their own pays and rewards or undermine fair and free election like the GRC
From the above review of our governing system it should be quite clear that our governing system has left much to be desired.
This type of government is parochial and not sustainable especially in the internet age.
Many loyal citizens here have put up their views on this subject with logic and rationale. There is an urgent need to overhaul the whole governing system for the better.
Otherwise the government will continue to face criticisms and unhappiness as seen all over the island.
Moreover our leaders are being paid handsomely at the world's highest salary for iron ricebowl bill collector without accountablity for major mistakes or errors as seen in Mas Selamat.
He who pays the piper calls the tune. So it is wrong to keep denying or pushing away any problem by blaming on the people for wnatever reason.
Your reference to the chicken and egg situation in any solving of problem is giving the leaders more excuses to deny problems.
If MHA is not up to the mark he should offer his resignation at least. If PM cannot solve the major problems like the rising costs of living or doing business or failure in uplifting the quality of life as reported by international index, he should either resign or reshuffle his cabinet.
By blaming any failure to solve major problems or sending a team of counter-insurgency agent to call them names or discourage them from giving views and opinions is very unprofessional.
Government has been high handed and arrogant for too long now. It will be too naive to listen to all the propagandas and even putting on thinking cap.