War on Iran please!
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Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:
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Confessions of an “ex” Peak Oil Believer
http://www.engdahl.oilgeopolitics.net/Geopolitics
"Peak vs Deep Oil" debate 3 - CNBC - Abiotic Oil in Nutshell
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0veqofQ5QCI
Energy Crisis is BULLSHIT
Anyone in the world can blame US, the country of free expression, on anything. The US gets blame for everything, from a faulty missle to a leaking cistern in the home.
The govt doesn't answer each and everyone of their charges, because the state dept is neither capable nor keen to answer million of accusations daily.
As such, truth, half truths and lies get mixed up. Thus, if one needs to search the truth, one have to sieve thru all kinds of reports, and keep a keen eye on the veracity of such reports, some of which are dubious, some paid by interest agents, a few only true objective reports. That is the price for freedom of expression - the citizen who is too lazy to search for the truth will stupidly believes the first report he sees.
And that is what you are hoping me and others will believe, PohAP.
No dog still for you.
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Here is one interpretation of 1973 oil crisis:
...In 1973, the powerful men grouped around Bilderberg decided to launch a colossal assault against industrial growth in the world, in order to tilt the balance of power back to the advantage of Anglo-American financial interests. In order to do this, they determined to use their most prized weapon -- control of the world's oil flows. Bilderberg policy was to trigger a global oil embargo in order to force a dramatic increase in world oil prices. Since 1945, world oil trade had, by international custom, been priced in dollars. American oil companies dominated the postwar market. A sharp sudden increase in the world price of oil, therefore, meant an equally dramatic increase in world demand for US dollars to pay for that necessary oil....
...On October 6, 1973, Egypt and Syria invaded Israel, igniting what became known as the "Yom Kippur" war. Contrary to popular impression, the "Yom Kippur" war was not the result of simple miscalculation, a blunder, or an Arab decision to launch a military strike against the state of Israel. The entire constellation of events surrounding the outbreak of the October war was secretly orchestrated from Washington and London, using the powerful diplomatic secret channels developed by Nixon's White House National Security Adviser, Henry Kissinger.
Kissinger effectively controlled the Israeli policy response through his intimate relation with Israel's ambassador to Washington, Simcha Dinitz. In addition, Kissinger cultivated channels to the Egyptian and Syrian sides. His method was to simply misrepresent to each party the critical elements of the other, ensuring the war and its subsequent Arab oil embargo.
Kissinger, who is by then Nixon's intelligence "czar", consistently suppressed US intelligence reports, including intercepted communications from Arab officials confirming the buildup for war. Washington scripted the war and its aftermath, including Kissinger's infamous "shuttle diplomacy," along the precise lines of the Bilderberg deliberations of the previous May in Saltsjoebaden, some six months before outbreak of the war. Arab oil-producing nations were to be the scapegoat for the coming rage of the world, while the Anglo-American interests responsible stood quietly in the background...
http://earth.prohosting.com/~jswift/engdahl.html#Kissingers%20Yom%20Kippur
...Corroboration of Engdahl's account was provided a few years ago by Sheikh Ahmed Zaki Yamani, who was Saudi Arabia's OPEC minister at the time:
“I am 100 per cent sure that the Americans were behind the increase in the price of oil. The oil companies were in in real trouble at that time, they had borrowed a lot of money and they needed a high oil price to save them.”
He says he was convinced of this by the attitude of the Shah of Iran, who in one crucial day in 1974 moved from the Saudi view, that a hike would be dangerous to Opec because it would alienate the US, to advocating higher prices.
“King Faisal sent me to the Shah of Iran, who said: ‘Why are you against the increase in the price of oil? That is what they want? Ask Henry Kissinger - he is the one who wants a higher price’.”
Yamani contends that proof of his long-held belief has recently emerged in the minutes of a secret meeting on a Swedish island, where UK and US officials determined to orchestrate a 400 per cent increase in the oil price...
http://www.engdahl.oilgeopolitics.net/1973_Oil_Shock/1973_oil_shock.html
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Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:
Here is one interpretation of 1973 oil crisis:
...In 1973, the powerful men grouped around Bilderberg decided to launch a colossal assault against industrial growth in the world, in order to tilt the balance of power back to the advantage of Anglo-American financial interests. In order to do this, they determined to use their most prized weapon -- control of the world's oil flows. Bilderberg policy was to trigger a global oil embargo in order to force a dramatic increase in world oil prices. Since 1945, world oil trade had, by international custom, been priced in dollars. American oil companies dominated the postwar market. A sharp sudden increase in the world price of oil, therefore, meant an equally dramatic increase in world demand for US dollars to pay for that necessary oil....
...On October 6, 1973, Egypt and Syria invaded Israel, igniting what became known as the "Yom Kippur" war. Contrary to popular impression, the "Yom Kippur" war was not the result of simple miscalculation, a blunder, or an Arab decision to launch a military strike against the state of Israel. The entire constellation of events surrounding the outbreak of the October war was secretly orchestrated from Washington and London, using the powerful diplomatic secret channels developed by Nixon's White House National Security Adviser, Henry Kissinger.
Kissinger effectively controlled the Israeli policy response through his intimate relation with Israel's ambassador to Washington, Simcha Dinitz. In addition, Kissinger cultivated channels to the Egyptian and Syrian sides. His method was to simply misrepresent to each party the critical elements of the other, ensuring the war and its subsequent Arab oil embargo.
Kissinger, who is by then Nixon's intelligence "czar", consistently suppressed US intelligence reports, including intercepted communications from Arab officials confirming the buildup for war. Washington scripted the war and its aftermath, including Kissinger's infamous "shuttle diplomacy," along the precise lines of the Bilderberg deliberations of the previous May in Saltsjoebaden, some six months before outbreak of the war. Arab oil-producing nations were to be the scapegoat for the coming rage of the world, while the Anglo-American interests responsible stood quietly in the background...
http://earth.prohosting.com/~jswift/engdahl.html#Kissingers%20Yom%20Kippur
...Corroboration of Engdahl's account was provided a few years ago by Sheikh Ahmed Zaki Yamani, who was Saudi Arabia's OPEC minister at the time:
“I am 100 per cent sure that the Americans were behind the increase in the price of oil. The oil companies were in in real trouble at that time, they had borrowed a lot of money and they needed a high oil price to save them.”
He says he was convinced of this by the attitude of the Shah of Iran, who in one crucial day in 1974 moved from the Saudi view, that a hike would be dangerous to Opec because it would alienate the US, to advocating higher prices.
“King Faisal sent me to the Shah of Iran, who said: ‘Why are you against the increase in the price of oil? That is what they want? Ask Henry Kissinger - he is the one who wants a higher price’.”
Yamani contends that proof of his long-held belief has recently emerged in the minutes of a secret meeting on a Swedish island, where UK and US officials determined to orchestrate a 400 per cent increase in the oil price...
http://www.engdahl.oilgeopolitics.net/1973_Oil_Shock/1973_oil_shock.html
Guess as usual you didnt read what i said. But that is normal in a forum. Many would rather prefer see their own words than to read someone else's.
Whatever, whoever's fault, the irrefutable facts remains:-
1.Crude jump from $80 to $147 within a few months.
2. Efforts to bring price down to $142 was immediately wasted when the price shot back up at $147 just last friday.
3.Who benefits from the sale of crude oil?
4. Why should we, the race of human beings sharing the same planet, be made to pay skyrocket prices for a NATURAL Earth daily staple resource when there are still huge deposits still avaliable under the planet?
War with Iran is inevitable!
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Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:
Israel occupy Palestinian territory?
There is no Palestinian territory. There are no Palestinian Arabs. There are only Arabs.
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Iran is nothing but troublemaker, agree with TS's vision. But its pretty unlikely that the war on Iran will ever happen, it would be like the whole of muslim world against US if US declare war lol.
Anyway Poh Ah Pak seems to be living in denial LOL, from his posts, he doesn't seem to have the ability to differentiate between the good and the evil. -
Tis is stupid. U actually believe the president of Iran to be so powerful and smart to buy oil when the price is low an sell them back when it is high ? If he do tat, then he is a brillant president, making a 100% investment profit in a year and deserves to continue as president. Every country is for themselves. Whether he has nuclear weopon has the same probability as Iraq has nuclear weopon. They don't, and tis time even US says they r not ready yet. And even if they do, why USA can have nuclear weopons while Iran cannot ? Double standard to ensure they r always military inferior ? Why should iran obey USA when they owes them nothing.
Oil is a natural resouce. So is land, water, wood, granites, sand, diamond, gold, platinum, silver, chrome, jade and many other minerals. Why don't u demand free diamond from africa as well ? The resource is in his country and they have the right to sell them at watever price they can get. U don't like the price ? Don't buy. Spiral out of control ? Too bad. Wat to do ? Just because they sell their product too high, u want to invade them. Wat is the difference between u and a robber ? Why don't u just go rob the bank
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Iran is a trouble maker, threatening to close the Strait of Hormuz to drive the oil prices even higher.
The other Gulf States will not stand by and do nothing. They will respond if Iran attempts to block the strait.
While Israel and the US are determined to destroy Iran's nuclear facilities, the oil-rich Arabs, for their own interests, will also support the US if there's action against Iran.
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US is the trouble maker. Invade Iraq and kill innocent Iraqis..
Dammit! How long US gonna invade Iraq?!
So who's the trouble maker? Iran? nope.. US can have Nuclear Plant.. Why Iran cannot have ? maybe US scared of IRAN thats why they don't allowed Iran to have a Nuclear Plant? lol..
The world gonna end when US or Israel declare war with Iran and Iran got alot of allies.. :) So who's the Trouble maker? and also, Israel(U.S BESTFRIEND) or U.S itself will attack Iran if Iran don wanna end its Nuclear Plant. So who's the troublemaker? Why force Iran? They have the right to build their own Nuclear Plant. Its their country and they just wanna use it as another alternative way of energy source. Does Iran gonna declare war with US or Israel? Nope! They only declare war if US or Israel start hitting missles or bullets to their country.
and yes.. Israel is occupying Palestine territory.. :) and how do you feel if Malaysia occupying our country without any permission ? Please take note.. Israel occupy Palestine territory with VIOLENCE..Killing thousands of innocents.. Still don't know? Because our COUNTRY , OUR PEOPLE, don't know the situation NOW in Palestine! So people, do watch some videos about Palestine-Israel crisis.
thanks.. =)
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Iran is a trouble maker, threatening to close the Strait of Hormuz to drive the oil prices even higher.
What about USA?
Spread lies and invade Iraq.
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Anyway Poh Ah Pak seems to be living in denial LOL, from his posts, he doesn't seem to have the ability to differentiate between the good and the evil.So who is good, who is evil?
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There is no Palestinian territory. There are no Palestinian Arabs. There are only Arabs.
Then why Israel occupy arab Palestinian territory?
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War with Iran is inevitable!
Why?
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Originally posted by googoomuck:
There is no Palestinian territory. There are no Palestinian Arabs. There are only Arabs.
LOL. Israelis are not Arabs. They are Jews. :) Weird right? Jews stuck in the middle of Arab land. :)
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Originally posted by Ajen:
LOL. Israelis are not Arabs. They are Jews. :) Weird right? Jews stuck in the middle of Arab land. :)
The history, the bible and especially the archeological artifacts found in the ground indicated that Jews had been present on that piece of land all along. It's not weird at all.
Are you sure that there is no Arab who is an Israeli?
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Talk talk talk but no actions.
It's only when you pick up the gun and invade another country that you will see how stupid you have been....
If you're really keen on going to war with Iran, go alone and not drag Singapore down with you. The last thing we need is war cause we wouldn't survive.
Originally posted by googoomuck:The history, the bible and especially the archeological artifacts found in the ground indicated that Jews had been present on that piece of land all along. It's not weird at all.
Are you sure that there is no Arab who is an Israeli?
And your Bible will also indicated that the Israelis (Jews being one of the tribes) invaded that piece of land.....
And yes, you're correct that there are Israeli Arabs.
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Early History of the Region
Before the Hebrews first migrated there around 1800 B.C., the land of Canaan was occupied by Canaanites.
“Between 3000 and 1100 B.C., Canaanite civilization covered what is today Israel, the West Bank, Lebanon and much of Syria and Jordan...Those who remained in the Jerusalem hills after the Romans expelled the Jews [in the second century A.D.] were a potpourri: farmers and vineyard growers, pagans and converts to Christianity, descendants of the Arabs, Persians, Samaritans, Greeks and old Canaanite tribes.” Marcia Kunstel and Joseph Albright, “Their Promised Land.”
The present-day Palestinians’ ancestral heritage
“But all these [different peoples who had come to Canaan] were additions, sprigs grafted onto the parent tree...And that parent tree was Canaanite...[The Arab invaders of the 7th century A.D.] made Moslem converts of the natives, settled down as residents, and intermarried with them, with the result that all are now so completely Arabized that we cannot tell where the Canaanites leave off and the Arabs begin.” Illene Beatty, “Arab and Jew in the Land of Canaan.”
The Jewish kingdoms were only one of many periods in ancient Palestine
“The extended kingdoms of David and Solomon, on which the Zionists base their territorial demands, endured for only about 73 years...Then it fell apart...[Even] if we allow independence to the entire life of the ancient Jewish kingdoms, from David’s conquest of Canaan in 1000 B.C. to the wiping out of Judah in 586 B.C., we arrive at [only] a 414 year Jewish rule.” Illene Beatty, “Arab and Jew in the Land of Canaan.”
More on Canaanite civilization
“Recent archeological digs have provided evidence that Jerusalem was a big and fortified city already in 1800 BCE...Findings show that the sophisticated water system heretofor attributed to the conquering Israelites pre-dated them by eight centuries and was even more sophisticated than imagined...Dr. Ronny Reich, who directed the excavation along with Eli Shuikrun, said the entire system was built as a single complex by Canaanites in the Middle Bronze Period, around 1800 BCE.” The Jewish Bulletin, July 31st, 1998.
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Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:
Then why Israel occupy arab Palestinian territory?
Here we have two Arabs who said that Palestine and hence Palestinian is an invention. The second quote is laughable...but hey, they are Arabs
“The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct “Palestinian people” to oppose Zionism”
-Zahir Muhsein, PLO March 31, 1977“There is no such country as Palestine. ‘Palestine’ is a term the Zionists invented. [...]Our country was for centuries part of Syria. ‘Palestine’ is alien to us. It is the Zionists who introduced it.” – Auni Bey Abdul-Had, Local Arab leader to British Peel Commission, 1937
Perhaps another Arab, the former PLO terrorist Walid Shoebat can shed some more light on the issues .
“When I finally realized the lies and myths I was taught, it is my duty as a righteous person to speak out”
“The Israeli Arab conflict is not about geography but about Jew hatred; the 1400 year history of Islam proves it.”
“The Arab refugees are being used as pawns' to create a terror breeding ground, as a form of aggression against Israel”
“Why is it that on June 4th 1967 I was a Jordanian and overnight I became a Palestinian?” -
Blood and Religion: The unmasking of the Jewish and Democratic State
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“The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct “Palestinian people” to oppose Zionism”
-Zahir Muhsein, PLO March 31, 1977See:
Al-Sa'iqa
(Arabic) Literally means "The Storm." It is a "Palestinian" armed group created by Syrian Ba'ath party in 1966. It is a commando group formed by (and mostly consisting of) Syrian Ba‘thists officially in Sept 1966. It became operational only in Dec 1968 to rival Fatah and to support Salah Jadid in his power struggle with Hafez Assad for Syrian leadership. The original leadership consisted of Yusuf Zu’ayyin, Mahmud al-Ma‘ayta (from November 1970); but these were replaced with Assad loyalists after the Nov 70 coup. The pro-Jadid branch remained active in Jordan until Jun 71, when its were leaders arrested and Zuhayr Muhsin was appointed Secretary General. It was an early supporter of the 'national authority' proposal in 1974, and was a co-sponsor of the 1974 Palestine National Council Resolution.
It is strictly Pan-Arabist, denying a Palestinian identity except as a tactical maneuver. Zuhayr Muhsin was assassinated in Cannes, Jul 79. More recently is has been led by ‘Isam al-Qadi (Secretary General from 1979), with Muhammed Khalifah as deputy (who sits on the PLO-EC), Sami al-‘Atari and Majid Muhsin (head of operations in Lebanon; Zuhayr's brother). It is consistently pro-Syria and fought alongside Syrian forces in Lebanon in 1976 against all other PLO forces.
Al-Saiqa was disqualified from the PLO until Syria pressured for its rehabilitation in Dec 76, with a large number of defections from Sa‘iqa at this point. Thereafter, it lobbied within PLO mostly against Fatah's links with conservative regimes, especially with Egypt. It was against the Madrid conference and Oslo accords, and is leading member of the “Damascus 10”. Nevertheless it participates in NIF (National Islamic Forces) from 2000.
http://www.mideastweb.org/Middle-East-Encyclopedia/al-sa'iqa.htm
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The history, the bible and especially the archeological artifacts found in the ground indicated that Jews had been present on that piece of land all along. It's not weird at all.
History is like tis. Jews used to be on tis land. However it is taken over by christian then taken by muslim and they rule for many years. Before Isreal is established, it is muslim land. They just give the land to Jews as though it is their land and they wash their hands after.
Here we have two Arabs who said that Palestine and hence Palestinian is an invention.
Singaporean is formed overnight after Raffles signed the agreement with the sultan. East timorese is also formed overnight after indonesia conceded their independence. The important point is muslim r displaced from their own land
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Originally posted by Ajen:
US is the trouble maker. Invade Iraq and kill innocent Iraqis..
Dammit! How long US gonna invade Iraq?!
So who's the trouble maker? Iran? nope.. US can have Nuclear Plant.. Why Iran cannot have ? maybe US scared of IRAN thats why they don't allowed Iran to have a Nuclear Plant? lol..
The world gonna end when US or Israel declare war with Iran and Iran got alot of allies.. :) So who's the Trouble maker? and also, Israel(U.S BESTFRIEND) or U.S itself will attack Iran if Iran don wanna end its Nuclear Plant. So who's the troublemaker? Why force Iran? They have the right to build their own Nuclear Plant. Its their country and they just wanna use it as another alternative way of energy source. Does Iran gonna declare war with US or Israel? Nope! They only declare war if US or Israel start hitting missles or bullets to their country.
and yes.. Israel is occupying Palestine territory.. :) and how do you feel if Malaysia occupying our country without any permission ? Please take note.. Israel occupy Palestine territory with VIOLENCE..Killing thousands of innocents.. Still don't know? Because our COUNTRY , OUR PEOPLE, don't know the situation NOW in Palestine! So people, do watch some videos about Palestine-Israel crisis.
thanks.. =)
War is bad, but freeing people through war by giving the Iraqis a chance to be educated, to know speak for themselves don't you think this war is worth it? you can call me cruel, but who will save them if not because Iraq was invaded?
Or maybe you think you can save them through other means than war, maybe you can share with us?
You think you can trust anyone with a nuclear bomb? Especially a country like Iran whose leader has final say, and its citizens just have accept fate.No matter how crazy/evil/brutal US is, it has a lower probability of making insensible decisions like Iran. I would rather have the nuclear bombs safeguard in countries having advance technology and better economy than country like Iran. Iran has less to lose if they just go crazy dropping bombs on your head, unlike coutnries like US, China, Israel who has more to lose, eg. infrastructures, technology, economy.
Ajen instead of focusing on how many deaths toll caused by Israel, why not focus on the history of Middle East? Go read up you history, and see for yourself how the Muslims treat the Jews. They been ganging up to bully Israel over centuries, and they are still at it. Anyone who gets provoked first natural instinct is to Retaliate.
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So you going to trace back in time and see who own the land huh?
Why not just say everyone is family cause we were descendants of Africans?
Only the Fittest deserve to live. You can fight for your own dream, why can't the Israelis?
What rights you have to say they don't deserve to live on the land just because it was once occupied by muslims? *laugh* maybe if the dinos are still alive we should hand over our land! *joke*You deserve the piece of land if you can guard it well. period.
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Originally posted by Gackt247:
Demand of oil from US is contributing to the hike in price. Their subsidy on oil isn't making it better. That reminds me of a certain northern neighbour too. Duh.
Lets face it.. US has oil in th whole of Texas and the Gulf of Mexico and yet is still a huge HUGE net importer. Who's to blame? Very easy to push the blame to other eh?
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Originally posted by RoyFang:
Talk talk talk but no actions.
It's only when you pick up the gun and invade another country that you will see how stupid you have been....
If you're really keen on going to war with Iran, go alone and not drag Singapore down with you. The last thing we need is war cause we wouldn't survive.
And your Bible will also indicated that the Israelis (Jews being one of the tribes) invaded that piece of land.....
And yes, you're correct that there are Israeli Arabs.
Gold, silver, diamonds and platinium are some of the more rare minerals of earth. It is limited in quantities and are difficult to extract. Hardly humans use such minerals and are considered a luxury. Thus the high cost charge to them for there is only a limited market.But oil is a different thing altogether! It is a daily staple just like water. Everything uses oil, from the machinery that extracts to the egg seller in the market to transport his eggs to the market using his van. The market is immensely huge for oil.
It's not like oil is rare. While the easy days of poking a hole in the ground and a geyser of oil at $1 per barrel will spring forth will be over within est 40years time, there is absolutely no reason for the high cost of oil at $147 a barrel to extract it deep underground. There are still huge deposits underground, with the antartic region still untouch.
Therefore it is a CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY to charge crude oil at $147 per barrel even after production costs, just looking at the vast amount of oil and market for it!
What Iran had done is to buy back whatever Opec had tried to sell cheaper crude oil in the market, created an artificial demand in the market, thus raising oil prices, and then sell oil back at the inflated price.
Each time Opec, espacially Saudi Arabia, tried to sell cheap, Iran buys all of their oil up. Iran has the funds, a lot of it left untouched due to international sanctions and not allowed to buy anything else ( except medical and food items), thus they covertly use international finance institutions to purchase. At this point of time, it is suspected Venuzela, which hates US is in league with Iran. All these because of their naked ambition to own nuclear arms, which the world had demanded a stop, a halt to nuclear arms proliferation, not nuclear power stations which Iran already own several operational stations.
You claimed I am a robber, alluding i intend to rob Iran of their wealth. But in actual fact, who are the robbers? Isn't Iran robbing us all, the human race with no natural resource oil, of our wealth? Why should I be paying such high prices for a natural resource staple commodity, which in turn affect all other staples well?
Should i just stand by, and allow Iran to rob me and my fellow human race blind, and die off one by one due to hunger and starvation soon to come when oil hits even higher prices? Or should I, and fellow like minded humans, who still have strength left, to fight for billions others for oil to be an affordable price?
The war in Iran requires only 1 million soldiers. It doesn't need more than that, so if you fear to fight, stay home, hide under the bed and reap the benefits when the war is won. Just support this justified war.
Diplomacy had failed. War is the only solution. I too, am afraid to die, but in the end, i rather receive a bullet dying for a justified cause - saving billions other, than to slowly die of starvation and watching every other man, woman, and child fall onto the wayside in hunger.
