Originally posted by Dezhou:You want proof?
Who is benifiting the most from Oil sale? The countries that produce oil.
And Iran happens to be one of them and they always been creating troubles for others, just take the dream of having a nuclear plant.
And I have always been saying Iran could be one of the guys casuing the oil hike, none of my comments ever said Iran is 100% the one manipulating it. Chance you know?
yes could.... maybe maybe not... but TS is wanting a war based on this could.
TS
Take a look at exxon's balance sheet http://finance.google.com/finance?fstype=ci&cid=663876
I could also "guess" exxon is one of the players in the game.... so u want to bomb exxon? yes exxon is american
Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:But they are living in terror now.
Terror.. haha im sure its less terrorific than living under saddam regime.
You always link sites that are not reliable, how you expect people to agree with you?
You see... all your links you provided are infact REDUNDANT. Why i said that? Its bias just by looking at the articles, they are all written by a similiar author : Patrick Cockburn.
So how convincing are your links huh?
You don't get the big picture do you?
Is education, freedom and families who can lives without worrying if the next day their family members will be captured by saddam for interrogation and tortured LESS IMPORTANT than deaths that happened in battle?
U mean it is better now ? People even fear going to the market beacsue they can get bombed to death. When u get married u can get bombed to death. U also can get caught by US and sent to a prison and get interrogated and imprisoned as well
Its good that you care about the deaths, but future is what they want. They don't want to live life in terror, getting tortured and buried in places no one knows, daughters being sexual assualted by powerful officials of Iraq pre-war.
Wat is the future now ? No one has a clue whether it will slides into civil war or not. Isn't now the life where they lived in terror, getting tortured, buried in places no one knows ?
Originally posted by xtreyier:Shall we stick to Iran? It concerns us all more. The lives of my fellow citizens suffering high oil prices now is more critical.
Don't you follow the development in the US yesterday? Against the principle of free trade, the US have bailed many failed banks and financial institutions and kept interest rate artificially low.
What does this imply then?
More dollars are to be churned out to prop up those failed institutions. These dollars are not going to disappear right away. They will be spent and circulated in the global economy, adding to the already excessive liquidity.
Where will these new dollars go?
Those who collect dollars now, including Singapore, Asian nations, have nowhere to spent or invest while the dollar keeps falling because the US is blocking foreign takeover of businesses and financial institutions. They instead go to Oil and Commodities to hedge against further dollar depreciation, pushing up food prices and inflation. It then came back to hurt the American people who are failing to pay back their debts to the ailing banks. Then the US will need to print more dollars to prop up those poor banks again. Vicious circles.
Every finger will point to the US now for causing the crisis until she accepts the truth and allow Sovereign Wealth Funds, including Singapore and China, to buy out US businesses. The excess dollars from Singapore, China, and the Arabs will flow back to the US, ending the crisis.
Do u know why US never cares abut sudan or zimbawe or even myanmar when exactly the same things r happening to the people. Because they have no oil. So just face it la ! It has nothing to do with helping people. It is just oil
You always link sites that are not reliable, how you expect people to agree with you?
Which sites not reliable?
Patrick Cockburn
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Cockburn
USA war propaganda very reliable huh?
You brainwashed by USA propaganda already lah.
What Iraqis living better lives now than Saddam.
Pure horseshit propaganda.
Originally posted by stupidissmart:Do u know why US never cares abut sudan or zimbawe or even myanmar when exactly the same things r happening to the people. Because they have no oil. So just face it la ! It has nothing to do with helping people. It is just oil
Agree
Originally posted by whiskers:yes could.... maybe maybe not... but TS is wanting a war based on this could.
Well TS is probably just too pissed because of the oil hikes. I blame the whole wide world for the situation we landed in. We are just too reliant on oil, thats what is happening. But i speculate the cause of it, is partly due to the growing China/India with US who has been consuming the most oil and Arabs who never say no to $$$. But who knows, maybe one day what TS speculate will be true?
"You brainwashed by USA propaganda already lah."
This is how you percieve things. Well just from the comment, we know you are just too full of yourself. You think what you think is right, and thinks you are the only one who can see things right.
But who knows, maybe one day what TS speculate will be true?
See:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5
The main troublemaker is USA.
That must be made clear.
You think what you think is right, and thinks you are the only one who can see things right.
Not me.
Only Lee Kuan Yew is always right.
But the influence of USA propaganda over you is quite obvious.
For example below statements:
No one is perfect, same goes to US for making such accusations that turned out to be false.
Its good that you care about the deaths, but future is what they want. They don't want to live life in terror, getting tortured and buried in places no one knows, daughters being sexual assualted by powerful officials of Iraq pre-war.
Only people influenced by USA propaganda would make this type of statement.
Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:
Looks like you can't hold a proper debate until you are neutral towards US and LKY lol.
Your comments just showed how bias you are towards US and LKY well from other posts.
A person with bias attitude has a fixed mindset for themself, thats what i call brainwashed, not by anyone, but by yourself :).
You can call me biased.
But the fact remains.
USA is the main troublemaker in the world.
They invaded Iraq based on lies.
What more do you want?
Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:You can call me biased.
But the fact remains.
USA is the main troublemaker in the world.
They invaded Iraq based on lies.
What more do you want?
The fact remains, you can't debate being neutral and unbias. Harping on invasion of Iraq based on lies, doesn't get people to agree with you because over one incident USA is the main troublemaker.
Harping on invasion of Iraq based on lies, doesn't get people to agree with you because over one incident USA is the main troublemaker.
You don't know much about USA and their activities.
http://www.doublestandards.org/us
http://www.doublestandards.org/c
http://www.doublestandards.org/blum
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?s
http://www.serendipity.li/hr/imf
http://members.aol.com/bblum6/A
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/ar
http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/crs/rl30
Originally posted by whiskers:You will have to declare wars on everynation then.... because what u are saying here is nothing more than speculatiors profiteering at our expenses... it doesn nt have to be Iran, anybody can buy and hoard then sell... Remember the saudis and all the middle eastern nations they have oil money... heck even our temasek can play this game..
Why do u pinpoint Iran?
To an analyst - motive and capability is one way to determine a probable action.
Who else has the motive to control oil and the capability to do so?
Speculators are awash on the market. Which speculator organisation could account for the spike seen in oil? Which speculator organisation has these funds to play with such high risks game? Hedge fund managers would lose their licences the next day if they play in it!
The ones with huge $$$ reserves are middle eastern ones. Hedge, SWF and pension funds may have such monies, but they are strictly controlled, and would play only small amounts, and NOT THAT HUGE AMOUNT TO MOVE THE MARKET IN A FEW SHORT MONTHS OR DAILY!
Saudi Arabia and the other gulf states are at peace. Syria is not rich. Iraq and Afghan is controlled. Russia still needs oil imports. China, a communist state, answers to no one, with 1 trillion $$ and rising, would be stupid to jack up prices as it needs oil more than anyone else. Japan is rich, but need oil too.
Who is left? Who is rich enough to play the oil market and move it in days? Who has the motive for gain? The answer is Iran, as provided in my 'chronological' post, with its buffoon sidekick-Venezuela, who has an axe to grind with US.
There will be those who are not blind and will not see, not deaf and do not hear. No matter what is placed before them, they have no wish to see or hear it. They live in a constant state of denial in their comfort zone.
So be it. Stay happy paying high prices for everything. Just make sure you don't go begging on the streets later. I can't help you, because i would have died of starvation weeks ago as you didn't want to support war on Iran when we could!
Originally posted by xtreyier:To an analyst - motive and capability is one way to determine a probable action.
Who else has the motive to control oil and the capability to do so?
Speculators are awash on the market. Which speculator organisation could account for the spike seen in oil? Which speculator organisation has these funds to play with such high risks game? Hedge fund managers would lose their licences the next day if they play in it!
The ones with huge $$$ reserves are middle eastern ones. Hedge, SWF and pension funds may have such monies, but they are strictly controlled, and would play only small amounts, and NOT THAT HUGE AMOUNT TO MOVE THE MARKET IN A FEW SHORT MONTHS OR DAILY!
Saudi Arabia and the other gulf states are at peace. Syria is not rich. Iraq and Afghan is controlled. Russia still needs oil imports. China, a communist state, answers to no one, with 1 trillion $$ and rising, would be stupid to jack up prices as it needs oil more than anyone else. Japan is rich, but need oil too.
Who is left? Who is rich enough to play the oil market and move it in days? Who has the motive for gain? The answer is Iran, as provided in my 'chronological' post, with its buffoon sidekick-Venezuela, who has an axe to grind with US.
There will be those who are not blind and will not see, not deaf and do not hear. No matter what is placed before them, they have no wish to see or hear it.
So be it. Stay happy paying high prices for everything. Just make sure i don't see you begging on the streets later. I can't help you, because i would have died of starvation weeks ago as you didn't want to support war on Iran!
No need to exaggerate...
Same goes to you...
xtreyier, you can say what you want and believe in what you like.
But your reasoning for war on Iran makes completely no sense to me whatsoever.
I would rather you go join SDP and stage protest against PAP regime to reform their policies.
That is more helpful.
Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:xtreyier, you can say what you want and believe in what you like.
But your reasoning for war on Iran makes completely no sense to me whatsoever.
I would rather you go join SDP and stage protest against PAP regime to reform their policies.
That is more helpful.
you make no sense to anyone else anyway. Shall i donate a pair of glasses for you so that you can look beyond the length of your nose into the international arena on the root that is causing so much suffering and pain to billions in the world including our own citizens?
What is the root causing so much suffering and pain to billions in the world including our own citizens?
Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:What is the root causing so much suffering and pain to billions in the world including our own citizens?
Sigh.....
LOL AT 200-300 USD$ Oil!! prepare to go broke buying gas
Speculators are awash on the market. Which speculator organisation could account for the spike seen in oil? Which speculator organisation has these funds to play with such high risks game? Hedge fund managers would lose their licences the next day if they play in it!
Hmm... how about the whole world speculates ? The common man with some spare cash and invest in oil as he believe it is gonna rise ? 1/2 a year ago it is already pretty clear tat oil and commodities r worth investing. Heck people r investing in them now. Furthermore, u completely exaggerate the amount of money Iran has. Your argument on who has the money to invest really holds no water at all.
Originally posted by xtreyier:
Sigh.....
I can know how you feel xtreyier, because its pretty pointless to debate your topic with Poh Ah Pak, just by his comments:
"I would rather you go join SDP and stage protest against PAP regime to reform their policies.
That is more helpful."
He is incapable of holding a proper debate. His only rebuttal method is mass link of sites which he thinks is very reliable, not missing out that he is one of the youtubers who enjoy watching videos of speech by people, who are neither with fame nor rich.
But yet he expect us to agree with him on the information provided by his links and his youtube video.
He is incapable of holding a proper debate.
Debate on what?
And what is proper debate to you?