Originally posted by anonymous_dickhead:Enough already... US education is the best! Singapore Uni are for bookworms and aristocrat wannabes; Aussie Uni are for lazy bump-arounds who wants a short-cut to a tertiary education
In my years of interviewing and hiring, except of the very few bright ones (mostly NUS; NTU students are geeks), most local graduates think that just because they have a local degree, the world owes them a living.
Beside US graduates, those who did their degree part-time usually turn out better too and probably why SMU students are catching my attention and preferred over NUS and NTU grads. Aussies? They come in and tell you they know everything but expect others to do their work for them. I’ve hired a few and fired just as many.
For me.. US is first choice, follow-by SMU, then part-timers and then probably UK graduates. Local grads have to try really, really hard to get my attention and trust.
But that’s just my view as an hiring manager…
If i am the employer i will not hire certain people who got all high marks in certain fields that have lot of rote learning. its because i know that these were done coughing out facts during exams. Excemption is accounting degree grads.
But business grads getting Distinctions and high grades are different altogether, its because unless other fields of study, business needs a broad level of thinking and involves a lot of presentatory and research material. So obviously these high flyer graders did it impressing their lecturers and somehow their work stood out among the rest of them.
Originally posted by sgdiehard:I am sure from the few engineering undergrads' complaints about the lack of opportunities for internship, I know it for sure in the petrochemical industries that Chemical engineers are much preferred over mechanical and electrical engineers. But that is from the few I know, and the petrochemical industries only.
I can be wrong. I don't know about all the other industries.
Internship is different, because mostly, interns do not contribute a lot to the company; rather, the company contributes the training and interns might not even return to the company after their internship period ends, thus in some cases, companies are rather reluctant to hire interns.
From what I know, the industries that electrical engineers are relevant and applicable are far and many. This includes the manufacturing industries, the research areas (IME, ASTAR), the military defence (DSO, DSTA, CSIT, ST Kinetics), system engineers and maintenance, etc. So I believe it is not right to say that these engineers will find little relevance in Sg industries.
However, chemical engineering graduates might find it easier to find a job perhaps because their numbers are far less than electrical/mechanical engineering graduates; that's the only reason I can think of if that's what you have observed.
Originally posted by Melbournite:If i am the employer i will not hire certain people who got all high marks in certain fields that have lot of rote learning. its because i know that these were done coughing out facts during exams. Excemption is accounting degree grads.
But business grads getting Distinctions and high grades are different altogether, its because unless other fields of study, business needs a broad level of thinking and involves a lot of presentatory and research material. So obviously these high flyer graders did it impressing their lecturers and somehow their work stood out among the rest of them.
That's what I told my friend when he was demoralised for getting quite a bad CAP, with only year 4 (1 year) left.
I told him that he should work very hard for an A for his final year project, because that shows that he can do work well, and the A is achieved by impressing his professors.
He did get an A for his Final Year Project in the end, and I'm happy for him.
never had good experience working with caucasians.... generally they take one week to respond to requests and when they finally do it, they tend to do it wrong and then it takes another week for us to get them to do the right thing...
maybe they had a well-rounded education but their working attitude leaves a lot to be desired for..
Originally posted by pigsticker:never had good experience working with caucasians.... generally they take one week to respond to requests and when they finally do it, they tend to do it wrong and then it takes another week for us to get them to do the right thing...
maybe they had a well-rounded education but their working attitude leaves a lot to be decired for..
because in their countries, things are did more slowly and carefully planned
Originally posted by Melbournite:because in their countries, things are did more slowly and carefully planned
slowly and carefully planned but still wrong?? if ypu cannot hand up in the desired timeframe, then at least do a good job.. not hand up a piece of shitty work when you are already past the deadline...
Originally posted by pigsticker:slowly and carefully planned but still wrong?? if ypu cannot hand up in the desired timeframe, then at least do a good job.. not hand up a piece of shitty work when you are already past the deadline...
I dont think all caucasians are slow, some of them are pretty good...its not fair to generalise all...
Originally posted by Melbournite:I dont think all caucasians are slow, some of them are pretty good...its not fair to generalise all...
AND it is not fair to generalise our education system.... As far as I know, our system produces the most effective workforce.....
The engineers we have here are hardworking and fast in their work....they dont give lame excuses such as "u are restrictng my creativity" and tons of SH!TS....
Many of the locally produced students are equally creative-----see SMU students for urself!!!
They are hardworking and focused----see NUS students urself
They are innovative and motivated---see NTU students urself
Originally posted by Melbournite:IF NUS is best, why does AUs ask for work expereince of 5 years to apply for PR?
Let me tell u the story, unlike AUS Uni, they dont want graduate who vomit facts during exam and not know anything about real life working...
And NUS grad get job offer before graduatiion is because foreign MNC can only tap into the local market due to the grads familiarity with the country.. Now that the floodgates are opened for FT, NUS grad is close to nothing ..
I am amazed at ur level of stupidity......
AUS ask for work experience of 5 years not because NUS degree is inferior...rather it is to protect the aussies grads from foreign grads in job competition.
NUS is in the same league if not better than the melbourne uni of yours!!!
Fyi, MNCs come to spore because they trusted the level of education here....that is why they tap our local graduates!!! Which MNCs goes into a nation with stupid graduates and expect to produce hi-tech goods??? NONE.....This means our ppl are so well educated that they, the MNCS trust our talent pools and hence set up their companies here....
Stop ur nonsense of "oversea moon is rounder". I have exchange programmes b4 and went to the USA. I was so amazed when I got A* for quantum mechanics level 3. They only touches very basic mathematical aspect in Quantum mechanics unlike NUS.
So are u saying all NUS students are only good at vomiting facts??? Tell me how to vomit mathematics skills and reasoning and I will "prove" mathematically to you , that oversea Moon is indeed rounder!!!
Originally posted by Mostwanted5125:I am amazed at ur level of stupidity......
AUS ask for work experience of 5 years not because NUS degree is inferior...rather it is to protect the aussies grads from foreign grads in job competition.
NUS is in the same league if not better than the melbourne uni of yours!!!
Fyi, MNCs come to spore because they trusted the level of education here....that is why they tap our local graduates!!! Which MNCs goes into a nation with stupid graduates and expect to produce hi-tech goods??? NONE.....This means our ppl are so well educated that they, the MNCS trust our talent pools and hence set up their companies here....
Stop ur nonsense of "oversea moon is rounder". I have exchange programmes b4 and went to the USA. I was so amazed when I got A* for quantum mechanics level 3. They only touches very basic mathematical aspect in Quantum mechanics unlike NUS.
So are u saying all NUS students are only good at vomiting facts??? Tell me how to vomit mathematics skills and reasoning and I will "prove" mathematically to you , that oversea Moon is indeed rounder!!!
Yeah i am stupid, and Aussie education is inferior rite?...Listen to this NUS is nothing when compared to 100 year old Unis . So where did out template for education come from?..Its from those western countries lamer...
And local MNCs tapping into local educated population now is no longer valid since the floodgate for FTs has been opened. So if yr argument hold true, why are they not hiring local grads if NUS is so good over foreign grads in singapore. Go and have a reality check on why. A guy in a backyard in the US can have invented a car which runs entirely using water as fuel and your NUS grads did sh&t after graduating. What happened to their superior mathematical and reasoning skills. The only thing when u learn this in singapore very well is during Primary and secondary school. And thats about it.
On FYI, about yr argument on the US quantum physics thing, Let me tell u why they let u touch on the surface of that topic is because u are clearly so "best" compared to their own scholars who sent men to the moon in 1969, invented electricity, invented Windows operating system and invented all other things which your NUS now runs on.. U are "right", the US are lousier than Singapore's NUS. And so are inferior degrees from India and China who are chief engineers in Asus and Microsoft. Lamer.
Yeah is indeed true, overseas moon is indeed more rounder, and more intelligent as well...
when will we have Richard Branson?.... well maybe its nt only due to the education, but also the environment in Singapore... Heck ppl dun even have the mood for fock... Innovation?... very hard....
Originally posted by Melbournite:Yeah i am stupid, and Aussie education is inferior rite?...Listen to this NUS is nothing when compared to 100 year old Unis . So where did out template for education come from?..Its from those western countries lamer...
And local MNCs tapping into local educated population now is no longer valid since the floodgate for FTs has been opened. So if yr argument hold true, why are they not hiring local grads if NUS is so good over foreign grads in singapore. Go and have a reality check on why. A guy in a backyard in the US can have invented a car which runs entirely using water as fuel and your NUS grads did sh&t after graduating. What happened to their superior mathematical and reasoning skills. The only thing when u learn this in singapore very well is during Primary and secondary school. And thats about it.
On FYI, about yr argument on the US quantum physics thing, Let me tell u why they let u touch on the surface of that topic is because u are clearly so "best" compared to their own scholars who sent men to the moon in 1969, invented electricity, invented Windows operating system and invented all other things which your NUS now runs on.. U are "right", the US are lousier than Singapore's NUS. And so are inferior degrees from India and China who are chief engineers in Asus and Microsoft. Lamer.
Yeah is indeed true, overseas moon is indeed more rounder, and more intelligent as well...
Haha...listen..u are the one who started to look down on our education system. What I am trying to say is NUS is NOT as lousy as any aussie uni. U started to put words into my mouth!!
For the underline red part, pls use ur brain.....spore has a smaller population and we are equipped to work as an effective workforce, not some inventors. Ur argument always base on singularities...so all american can work in their backyard to create cars that run on water???
BTW, show me the link of the person who uses WATER as FUEL to run car??? U mean HYDROGEN CELLS using WATER as source of hydrogen??? We have that project in NUS. And if u believe water can be literally used as fuel, then u are as stupid as president Yudhoyono who believes in a conman to produce fuel out of water!!!
And let me tell you why we still cannot match top unis in the USA...it is because while they have started researches , we are still struggling with colonism ....they, the whites are responsible for inhibiting our technological growth. TIME IS THE FACTOR HERE!!! NOT QUALITY OF EDUCATION!!!!!!!
FYI, majority of the work force is still breed by spore education system...u have any idea how much foreign students govt have accepted and how they are recruited into the work force????
If they (the MNCS) really wanted FTS....it makes more sense to set their companies in India or China ONLY....because locals are too "stupid" in ur context to work.
U would better just go to ur AUS and stay put there....spore dont need a Angmoh wannabe here....
FYI, the main argument here is U belittling our local unis using nonsensical argument...and that is why I fire at ur backside...I did not claim NUS to be the most superior....dun put words in my mouth!!! U just OVERATE ur AUSSIE UNIS and UNDERATE NUS!!!!
Fyi, MNCs come to spore because they trusted the level of education here....that is why they tap our local graduates!!! Which MNCs goes into a nation with stupid graduates and expect to produce hi-tech goods??? NONE.....This means our ppl are so well educated that they, the MNCS trust our talent pools and hence set up their companies here....
Thank you. Your words brings peace to my mind... I was very worried abt nt able to secure a good paying job after I graduate frm NUS. U know, with all that FT in my cohort, the FTs in the workplace who come frm the northern states, I was kinda scared. BUt u say MNCs see us spore grads very highly. phew that was quite a relief...
Yes I also agree our pop so well educated, those that hires foreign talents are NOT fit to be called MNCs but shld be called multinational cheepskates.
I aso mus add, i think taiwan, India, China, those countries produces the smartest graduates, because they produce lots of high-tech goods. Maybe we shd go India uni study ^-^
Originally posted by whiskers:Originally posted by Mostwanted5125:Fyi, MNCs come to spore because they trusted the level of education here....that is why they tap our local graduates!!! Which MNCs goes into a nation with stupid graduates and expect to produce hi-tech goods??? NONE.....This means our ppl are so well educated that they, the MNCS trust our talent pools and hence set up their companies here....
Thank you. Your words brings peace to my mind... I was very worried abt nt able to secure a good paying job after I graduate frm NUS. U know, with all that FT in my cohort, the FTs in the workplace who come frm the northern states, I was kinda scared. BUt u say MNCs see us spore grads very highly. phew that was quite a relief...
Yes I also agree our pop so well educated, those that hires foreign talents are NOT fit to be called MNCs but shld be called multinational cheepskates.
I aso mus add, i think taiwan, India, China, those countries produces the smartest graduates, because they produce lots of high-tech goods. Maybe we shd go India uni study ^-^
U see the problem with FTs causing to us sporean is that they demanded a lower pay. It makes economic sense to employ them, not because we are inferior.
That is why I would say, local grads should accept the initial lower pay and prove ur worth in the companies. Many of my friends who have master degree stared with pathetic pay of 3k....but now, they earn nearly 10k per month....after working for a mere 3 years.
If we have no faith in ourselves...how are we going to compete in the future??
Sporean esp the younger generation are definitely more knowleageble than average ppl in the world.
It is up to us how to trust ourselves and make full use of our knowleadge.