Regarding the issue of whether its recognised in s'pore, there is no reason not to its because i know that defintely there are civil servants who studied in Aus uni working in civil service. There are no official figures on this to the best of my knowledge but i know they are surely taking. I think these graduates are from the top tier Unis or Group of 8
Population size matters.....if ur population is small....then too many uni will definitely lower the qualities of graduates.....unless those private uni can operate with small number of elite students...which I think not....they only wanted profit.....give ppl the degree they want in exchange for money....which is especially so in msia...KL with lots of australian private sch of mediocre quality...
Not govt-sponsored will still leave people thinking it is second class university and cert
Originally posted by Agenda:Not govt-sponsored will still leave people thinking it is second class university and cert
U see....not that I wanted to slam those private uni....but those who cant make it into local uni are the one USUALLY going to private uni. I emphasis"USUALLY". With advertisement like 1 year direct honours really makes me wonder why should we work so hard to study a master degree after 4 years of honours before working in life...
Too many private uni will definitely result a 2nd class cert....esp in spore with such small population.
Originally posted by Agenda:Not govt-sponsored will still leave people thinking it is second class university and cert
this are world reowned universities my friend...And they have been longer than our own NUS and NTU.
Btw anyone thinking our education system is unique to us only are wrong as its obviously modelled after US/UK/AUS.
many of the world's nobel prize winners did not graduate from NUS and NTU, They graduated from their own Unis. So do that make them any less intelligent? On the other hand, those who graduated from NUS and NTU , did they win any nobel prizes?
If Bil gates were to apply for NUS and NTU 20 years ago, when he was a school drop put, he would have been rejected straighaway since he was a school leaver..
This is the reason why i oppose the idea of a meritocracy based system. its a flawed logic. It does not measure a person;s ability or it is doing so in a narrow view...
Originally posted by Mostwanted5125:U see....not that I wanted to slam those private uni....but those who cant make it into local uni are the one USUALLY going to private uni. I emphasis"USUALLY". With advertisement like 1 year direct honours really makes me wonder why should we work so hard to study a master degree after 4 years of honours before working in life...
Too many private uni will definitely result a 2nd class cert....esp in spore with such small population.
before making such a sweeping statement, pls think carefully how this situation arose. its because there is so much Competition to local Unis and too many applications + demand from international students + such small country. There are simply not enough places and merit system has been put inmto place. Anlysing this system of course there will be those who have better merits getting into them than others and this causes a "merit based selection criteria" resulting in butterfly effect scenarios like "those who cannot make it into uni" .... I wish to highlight to u that those who cannot make into our local unis have graduated first class in foreign unis too... So are they considered "lousy" in the first place since they cant make it into our local unis...
the whole scenario is similar to car and CEO where those who can afford it can get to drive in singapore. But that doesnt mean those who cant afford COE are not good drivers or lousy since they cant get a car.
The key selction criteria is a driver's license and ability to drive. in this case COE is a merit based system, not only a key selection system
If there are more roads in singapore, everyone will be able to get a car because COE, a merit based system will not be there along with the key selection criteria . Look at AUS, almost everyone is driving a car. Its because there is lots of roads and no congestion, thus no COE. This is how their AUS unis operate too...
I already told u its not too many Uni, its the Unis themselves and their quality. Ultimately its your final grades which matter
Originally posted by Mostwanted5125:Population size matters.....if ur population is small....then too many uni will definitely lower the qualities of graduates.....unless those private uni can operate with small number of elite students...which I think not....they only wanted profit.....give ppl the degree they want in exchange for money....which is especially so in msia...KL with lots of australian private sch of mediocre quality...
Yes, this may happen especially with foreign Unis operating in singapore because they are not governed by their own countries. In Aus these are governed by the governmnt and and there certain criterias to be ful filled for the locals if they want to go to Uni.
But i am sure our Govt is not an idiot, they are mostly letting in well known established reliable Unis like Adelaide, RMIT ect and not any others. the reason they may increase their admission places are due to demand
Originally posted by Melbournite:before making such a sweeping statement, pls think carefully how this situation arose. its because there is so much Competition to local Unis and too many applications + demand from international students + such small country. There are simply not enough places and merit system has been put inmto place. Anlysing this system of course there will be those who have better merits getting into them than others and this causes a "merit based selection criteria" resulting in butterfly effect scenarios like "those who cannot make it into uni" .... I wish to highlight to u that those who cannot make into our local unis have graduated first class in foreign unis too... So are they considered "lousy" in the first place since they cant make it into our local unis...
the whole scenario is similar to car and CEO where those who can afford it can get to drive in singapore. But that doesnt mean those who cant afford COE are not good drivers or lousy since they cant get a car.
The key selction criteria is a driver's license and ability to drive. in this case COE is a merit based system, not only a key selection system
If there are more roads in singapore, everyone will be able to get a car because COE, a merit based system will not be there along with the key selection criteria . Look at AUS, almost everyone is driving a car. Its because there is lots of roads and no congestion, thus no COE. This is how their AUS unis operate too...
I already told u its not too many Uni, its the Unis themselves and their quality. Ultimately its your final grades which matter
As I have mentioned earlier...I always used the word "generally". How many ppl actually constitute ur claim in the red line I have high lighted?? Those are singularities!!! I did not say to totally disallow foreign unis....I said there should and must have a limit. You are arguing on the basis of singularites or so called isolated case. We care about a general thread, not isolated cases!!!!
U still dun get it!!! In such a small countries, if there are too many unis....the standard will drop!!!
U ever know guideline for grading in universities??? They go by bell curves...so those lousier uni will have more less capable students and even if u get an A in these uni....u are still overrated!!!! SO even u get a 1st class honors in such unis.....so wat???
Imagine Spore having 10 or 20 unis.....wat kind of standards would be produced???? Figure it urself.....dont try to put spore in the league with Austrailer....the latter is much more populated and can afford to have many more unis.....