If u have good political ideas and are honest ....
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If u have good political ideas and are an honest person,don't be afraid to take part in politics.One good example is Ms Sylvia Lim who is a poly lecturer. Nothing unpleasant happened to her since she joined WP. In fact,her poly changed the rule to allow her to take part in politics.
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er? i think need at least degree then can take part? isit ar? mi blurr sotong
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Anyone can join politics, it just depends on the party whether they wanna accept you and worse to worse, you can form your own party.
But I do wish to see more qualified and credible people joining the opposition. People who are professionals, people who have been in politics for a long time, people who are respected in the society, people whose views are being sought after. We need credible people to join the opposition party to give PAP a better run for their money. Shouting loudly and insulting PAP in the forum and the hawker centre is not going to help. People who garner alot of respect like Sylvia, Jeyer, Chiam are the kind of people who will make the opposition stronger.
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Sylvia, Chiam, etc are some of the few who managed to survive in Singapore politic (mainly due to their moderate view in politic).
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Originally posted by 333225520:
Sylvia, Chiam, etc are some of the few who managed to survive in Singapore politic (mainly due to their moderate view in politic).
If you are of the profile of Ms. Sylvia Lim or Low Thia Khiang or Chiam See Tong you are at best only the moderates or middle-path politicians who could merely make some noise not effective enough to expose wrong doings or providing effective alternatives to lead the masses to stay ahead in the new age.
If indeed the ruling party is so interested in cultivating and maturing our own oppositions alternative political successions for the good of all, they should have welcome and cultivated people such as Tang Liang Hong or even allowing some of their own old blood like Tan Soo Khoon or Ong Teng Cheong to have their ways and mature a different multi-functional more creative democracy to bring us higher.
So to me it is full of hypocrisy to try to run down CSJ or give praises to Low Thia Khiang or Sylvia Lim as this is still part and parcel of the devilry to divide and rule by selective comparison as was constantly done to deny problems by comparing our situations to worse-case scenarios to stay in power and control for the selfish motives of the few in power.
A system which runs on top-down and arrogant agendas of this type will not last and even if we are materially and economically successful due to over-exploitations of the people, there is still no future and that is why we are having many problems from perpetual over-taxing and hoarding of monies causing struggling of the ordinary people just to survive the economic race.
Do not be deceived by propagandas and hypocrisy. What we need is a open and consultative political environment allowing all and the best to take part in political renewal and evolution to a true democracy one which will bring out the best of our citizens for only on such a base will we produce the best form of government and only that will assure us of highest qualities of leadership and talent.
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and an oppose just for opposing type of opposition will ensure no real decisions r made and the country starts to decline. Despite contrary perception, singapore is still one of the most richest country with a high growth rate and high quality of living
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Originally posted by stupidissmart:
and an oppose just for opposing type of opposition will ensure no real decisions r made and the country starts to decline. Despite contrary perception, singapore is still one of the most richest country with a high growth rate and high quality of living
high growth rate?are you referring to this year's growth?
after you remove the price inflation from the GDP, will probably have 1-3 % real GDP growth per capita, which is the norm for mature economies.
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If u do tat for US, u get a negative value
GDP 1.88
Inflation 4.9%
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Originally posted by stupidissmart:
If u do tat for US, u get a negative value
GDP 1.88
Inflation 4.9%
hehehe.....I realised where this would be heading with you, so I save myself the trouble, don't want to end up arguing like eagle.
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A man worked hard, found a good wife, and had 2 sons. After many years of sheer hardwork and a lot of sacrifices, he grew successful and rich, and could provide security and wealth for his family.
His son Tom soon grew up, educated and well taken care of.
One day he saw sports car, heard his friends raved about it, and he wanted one as well. He went to his father and ask for it, as he was still studying and could never afford one on his own.
His father, who loved his child, and feared for his safety, being only 18years old, refused. Tom turned petulant and rebellious. He accused his father for being a miser, not loving him, and plenty of other hurtful things. His father, hurt, but turned to stone and continued to refuse such wilful belligrancy even after explaining his reasons. The friction grew, and Tom never did reconcile with his father.
The second son Micheal, was much responsible. When he turned 18, he too wanted a sports car. But he knew and understood his father's concerns for a son's safety - years of grooming and hard work, surely he doesn't want the son to be injured or incapicitated in an accident.
So he did his best to prove to his father that he is a responsible 18 year old. He took his driving licence, clean his father's car, and undertook to drive his dad's car for short nearby errands at the Mamashop to buy bread, sent his mother for medical check-ups. In time, the father grew to trust him, and Micheal himself learn about responsibilities as well.
Within a year, his father bought him a better european sports model on his own initiative, to the delight of a by then 19 year old NS man.
There is more to politics than one can possibly gained from books or exported models. Singapore politics are very much different and unique. For the opposition and the politically bitter ones who chosed to live in rose-tinted delusions, they must wake up to reality. To get a credible opposition party into the political foreground, one must understand MM Lee himself.
MM Lee sacrificed much and fought titanic battles to gain our independence, which was a mistake served on a plate. Even though our previous generation played a huge part in its eventual success of a nation of today, no one can deny it was policies and enforcements 'forced down' by MM Lee and his team on a largely uneducated population that do not understand what 'freedom' really entails, even as some present generation do no equally understand.
He is no dictator, nor seek to have pedestal made after him, which infact, he banned such proposals. All he wanted, like a father, is the safety and well being of the nation in good hands.
Thus, if one wants a credible opposition in government, then the opposition must show they are better than the ones MM Lee had groomed, equally as responsible, capable, and one whom will not take the populist path that will ultimately lead to doom. Someone who is caring and not afraid to to make hard and hated decisions that may hurt some, but will ensure the survivability of million others.
Behave like a responsible son, and not the wilful child, and change may be on the way. The best way to prove it is to manage the town council well, with surpluses and smiling constituents.
As usual, only my 2 cents worth.
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Well, in my opinion, politics is a war of words, a true display of the phrase “Doing everything to win” even by unscrupulous means. Being honest will work to a certain extent, but that doesn’t stop the opposition from defaming you and win. Even WITH honesty, how can one determine if you are truly a man of integrity or simply a two faced snake, hungry for power? The fact is, we cannot, we’re not able to do so, but one thing for sure is, a defamatory attack on the other party is bound to work. Look at Malaysia, despite Anwar(pardon my spelling) being popular and all, he got screwed by his political adversary when he published that book which in included 50 reasons why Anwar should not be PM.
Singapore doesn’t really have a political scene IMO, it’s dominated by our “great and beloved fatherly emperor figure O’ great Lee” (/sarcasm) That’s now, but before, it was really epic, but hey, look at Singapore now, we’re doing great……..right? -
i am starting the ChiBet Communist Party.
Anyone want to join?
My strategy is to continue with things as it is but I will get the million dollars salary instead
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Originally posted by ChiBet:
i am starting the ChiBet Communist Party.
Anyone want to join?
My strategy is to continue with things as it is but I will get the million dollars salary instead
And may i ask, in what communist doctrine do you follow?. -
Yous all got what it takes to be in politics or not.
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Originally posted by PRP:
If u have good political ideas and are an honest person,don't be afraid to take part in politics.One good example is Ms Sylvia Lim who is a poly lecturer. Nothing unpleasant happened to her since she joined WP. In fact,her poly changed the rule to allow her to take part in politics.
that's because the others in their team would also be disqualified if the rules applies -
you have to join a political party as in Catherine Lim case
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politics got honest one meh??? Pui on my panty lor!!!
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Originally posted by xtreyier:
A man worked hard, found a good wife, and had 2 sons. After many years of sheer hardwork and a lot of sacrifices, he grew successful and rich, and could provide security and wealth for his family.
His son Tom soon grew up, educated and well taken care of.
One day he saw sports car, heard his friends raved about it, and he wanted one as well. He went to his father and ask for it, as he was still studying and could never afford one on his own.
His father, who loved his child, and feared for his safety, being only 18years old, refused. Tom turned petulant and rebellious. He accused his father for being a miser, not loving him, and plenty of other hurtful things. His father, hurt, but turned to stone and continued to refuse such wilful belligrancy even after explaining his reasons. The friction grew, and Tom never did reconcile with his father.
The second son Micheal, was much responsible. When he turned 18, he too wanted a sports car. But he knew and understood his father's concerns for a son's safety - years of grooming and hard work, surely he doesn't want the son to be injured or incapicitated in an accident.
So he did his best to prove to his father that he is a responsible 18 year old. He took his driving licence, clean his father's car, and undertook to drive his dad's car for short nearby errands at the Mamashop to buy bread, sent his mother for medical check-ups. In time, the father grew to trust him, and Micheal himself learn about responsibilities as well.
Within a year, his father bought him a better european sports model on his own initiative, to the delight of a by then 19 year old NS man.
There is more to politics than one can possibly gained from books or exported models. Singapore politics are very much different and unique. For the opposition and the politically bitter ones who chosed to live in rose-tinted delusions, they must wake up to reality. To get a credible opposition party into the political foreground, one must understand MM Lee himself.
MM Lee sacrificed much and fought titanic battles to gain our independence, which was a mistake served on a plate. Even though our previous generation played a huge part in its eventual success of a nation of today, no one can deny it was policies and enforcements 'forced down' by MM Lee and his team on a largely uneducated population that do not understand what 'freedom' really entails, even as some present generation do no equally understand.
He is no dictator, nor seek to have pedestal made after him, which infact, he banned such proposals. All he wanted, like a father, is the safety and well being of the nation in good hands.
Thus, if one wants a credible opposition in government, then the opposition must show they are better than the ones MM Lee had groomed, equally as responsible, capable, and one whom will not take the populist path that will ultimately lead to doom. Someone who is caring and not afraid to to make hard and hated decisions that may hurt some, but will ensure the survivability of million others.
Behave like a responsible son, and not the wilful child, and change may be on the way. The best way to prove it is to manage the town council well, with surpluses and smiling constituents.
As usual, only my 2 cents worth.
the son din hafta pay the father millions per year.
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Originally posted by angel7030:
And may i ask, in what communist doctrine do you follow?.1 - the "ChiBet Communist Party sounds cool" doctrine
2 - the "take as much as i can and never give back" doctrine
3 - the "increase my own salary 1000 fold while telling everybody else pay increment will not solve the problem" doctrine
4 - the "we are not facing inflation" doctrine
5 - the "we are not facing economic depression" doctrine
6 - the "we need more GST" doctrine
7 - the "i am retired but i still need to draw million dollar salary" doctrine
list to be continued
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Originally posted by ChiBet:
1 - the "take as much as i can and never give back" doctrine2 - the "increase my own salary 1000 fold while telling everybody else pay increment will not solve the problem" doctrine
3 - the "we are not facing inflation" doctrine
4 - the "we are not facing economic depression" doctrine
5 - the "we need more GST" doctrine
list to be continued
Just tell me u r following Maoist, Marxi, stalinist or cuba cigars kind of communism, and as communism, we all share to reach the utopia. -
Lets all become ethical egoists. Society will cease to function.
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Originally posted by purpledragon84:
the son din hafta pay the father millions per year.
Once a PM retired, he will not be pay anymore, that happen in most countries, they will stand down and perhap get some compensation in a pension system. But our is funny, after PM, got SM, after SM, got MM, then later after MM got SMM...wow! and all are paid more than a PM, cos promoted mah. So instead of paying one PM, we have to pay SM, MM and so on...till they die. Fair or not?Next year Gst Rebate, how much huh??? i want to buy PSP
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Originally posted by angel7030:
Just tell me u r following Maoist, Marxi, stalinist or cuba cigars kind of communism, and as communism, we all share to reach the utopia.
oh, i am not into those mainstream communismmy type of communism = "i get a share of what you earn" communism.
infact, it is kinda like the current singapore government
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Originally posted by ChiBet:
oh, i am not into those mainstream communismmy type of communism = "i get a share of what you earn" communism
u mean u get a share of what they earn for doing nothing ? DO they get a share of what u earn ?
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Originally posted by ChiBet:
oh, i am not into those mainstream communismmy type of communism = "i get a share of what you earn" communism
that is dictatorial, i dun want to join..how can u take away my hard earn money??