Originally posted by stupidissmart:Wat is your comment on the other part of your passage ? It seems pretty empty to me.
Now on the statement
Actually u r pretty right on me being resigned by fate and circumstances
Wat is the point u r trying to drive ? Some people r pessimist, some r optimist. Some people view things as realistic and view things as opportunity. Wat right do u have to say people who r more realistic to be "incapable" ? The old and needy folks r probably resigned to their fate and circumstances as well. R u gonna link them to be "incapable" as well ?
Would you explain to me why you would consistently compare yourself with old and needy folks?
If you are old and needy, I will gladly donate a dollar to you.
Now tat is my take home pay. If u add in CPF contribution it is 3600 a month. I find tat a reasonable amount for an engineer and there r many people similar or worse off than me. So u r gonna classify them as incapable or lousy ? Wat happened to your earlier statement of
Try again when you earn more. Someone not limited in views wouldn't have told me he's satisfied with $2.5k monthly. You are incapable because society has already told you so.
As a NTU engineer, you must really be damn lousy to be earning $2.5k monthly when many others are earning near to $1k more => society's way of showing how incapable you are.
U give a fake figure, play with it and hurl insults over it. Don't u feel u should eat back these words and apologise ?
1) If you add in CPF contribution, it is not 3600 if your CPF contribution is at 20%
2) It's 2400 if the figure you gave included CPF contribution; that's closer to 2500
But I will admit that I did remember you stating 2500, maybe you did, maybe you didn't.
Still, admitting to being resigned by fate and circumstances does not make you any more capable or less lousy.
Would you explain to me why you would consistently compare yourself with old and needy folks?
If you are old and needy, I will gladly donate a dollar to you.
The reason why u classfy me as "incapable" is unwarranted and it encompass the old and needy and many other people. As said before, some people r realistic and some r ir-releastic. U do not know me. U do not know up to wat level will I resign to my fate. Wat gives u the qualification to give comments ?
1) If you add in CPF contribution, it is not 3600 if your CPF contribution is at 20%
2) It's 2400 if the figure you gave included CPF contribution; that's closer to 2500
3000 is the takehome pay. So 3750 is the effective salary. It is my salary and I have already told u the 3000 is the takehome pay. Wat gives u the right to change my salary ?
But I will admit that I did remember you stating 2500, maybe you did, maybe you didn't.
U in your own reply put >3000. So u changed your own reply ?
Well I am in NTU right now, and unfortunately the way they run things is more of an impediment to learning then anything else. The amount of conflict between my school and the main NTU board has always been an issue.
The irony is not that we don't have resources, my school has prehaps some of the best equipment in the country, but the loaning procedures are so messed up and strict that most students can't make full use of the equipment to begin with.
Originally posted by stupidissmart:The reason why u classfy me as "incapable" is unwarranted and it encompass the old and needy and many other people. As said before, some people r realistic and some r ir-releastic. U do not know me. U do not know up to wat level will I resign to my fate. Wat gives u the qualification to give comments ?
3000 is the takehome pay. So 3750 is the effective salary. It is my salary and I have already told u the 3000 is the takehome pay. Wat gives u the right to change my salary ?
U in your own reply put >3000. So u changed your own reply ?
The reason why u classfy me as "incapable" is unwarranted and it encompass the old and needy and many other people. As said before, some people r realistic and some r ir-releastic. U do not know me. U do not know up to wat level will I resign to my fate. Wat gives u the qualification to give comments ?
Now I classify you as incapable because you resigned yourself to fate and circumstances at your age.
Somehow you are still classifying yourself with the old and needy even though I have clarified with you. Any reason why you are still acting as dumb?
3000 is the takehome pay. So 3750 is the effective salary. It is my salary and I have already told u the 3000 is the takehome pay. Wat gives u the right to change my salary ?
So now you change from 3600 to 3750. Wow. Any more changes?
U in your own reply put >3000. So u changed your own reply ?
Guess what? Check back that post
Edited by eagle 22 Jul `08, 11:11AM
Now I classify you as incapable because you resigned yourself to fate and circumstances at your age.
Somehow you are still classifying yourself with the old and needy even though I have clarified with you. Any reason why you are still acting as dumb?
Now do u know under wat circumstances and situation tat I resigned myself to my fate ? Do u know my age ? Do u know my enviroment and circumstances ? U don't. So wat give u the qualification to give comment on something u do not know ?
So now you change from 3600 to 3750. Wow. Any more changes?
Well tat is the problem with your stand now. U r arguing over something which u have no information about and u want to use tat as a basis of attack. So wat happened to your earlier comment on me being useless because of the pay I got ? U swallow it all up ? Wat happened to your limiting view argument ? U swallowed it all up too ?
Guess what? Check back that post
Wat ? It is still the same. The amount can means take home pay. So wat is your point ?
It must have costed you a big bomb if you have been around Europe, having claimed you earned <3k a month.
Originally posted by stupidissmart:Now do u know under wat circumstances and situation tat I resigned myself to my fate ? Do u know my age ? Do u know my enviroment and circumstances ? U don't. So wat give u the qualification to give comment on something u do not know ?
Well tat is the problem with your stand now. U r arguing over something which u have no information about and u want to use tat as a basis of attack. So wat happened to your earlier comment on me being useless because of the pay I got ? U swallow it all up ? Wat happened to your limiting view argument ? U swallowed it all up too ?
Wat ? It is still the same. The amount can means take home pay. So wat is your point ?
It must have costed you a big bomb if you have been around Europe, having claimed you earned <3k a month.
Now do u know under wat circumstances and situation tat I resigned myself to my fate ? Do u know my age ? Do u know my enviroment and circumstances ? U don't. So wat give u the qualification to give comment on something u do not know ?
So, back to you, if you don't know anything about the German oral examinations system, "wat give u the qualification to give comment on something u do not know ?"
Have you even experienced it yourself?
Well tat is the problem with your stand now. U r arguing over something which u have no information about and u want to use tat as a basis of attack. So wat happened to your earlier comment on me being useless because of the pay I got ? U swallow it all up ? Wat happened to your limiting view argument ? U swallowed it all up too ?
Have you made up your mind to use 3600 or 3750? Or are all your posts here just bunch of lies again and again?
Having seen you not being able to do such simple calculations (such as 3000/0.8) really show again your incapability. Call yourself an engineer???
Back to the previous challenge: if you think you are capable, take out your NTU cert and show me so. You have already shown yourself to be inconsistent in your calculations.
Since you want to return to limiting views, I'm still saying that your view of engineering education is still limited as far as I'm concerned, and there's no further need for me to repost everything out to show your limited vision again. Really worrying when you can say this
Doing analysis and giving conclusion is = to providing physical solution
Since when is a conclusion equal to a solution.
And that you can tell us that one cannot skip questions in written exams. What rubbish that is
So wat happened to your earlier comment on me being useless because of the pay I got ? U swallow it all up ?
Well, you are definitely useless if you really earned $2.5k monthly as an NTU engineer. Nothing wrong with that statement. But since you have clarified that you did not, of course you are not incapable in that area. You showed yourself to be worse when you cannot do simple calculations, as pointed above.
Educating people is not the main job of an engineer and more like a training officer.
What rubbish. I have had engineers as professors. Their main job is education, their side income is as a Professional Engineer.
Wat ? It is still the same. The amount can means take home pay. So wat is your point ?
It must have costed you a big bomb if you have been around Europe, having claimed you earned <3k a month.
Could mean I saw you change from 2500 to 3000, then I edited my post at that time.
By the way,
U in your own reply put >3000. So u changed your own reply ?
Can you make up your mind to put >3000 or <3000? Call yourself an engineer???
So, back to you, if you don't know anything about the German oral examinations system, "wat give u the qualification to give comment on something u do not know ?"
Have you even experienced it yourself?
Because most of the world, even universities in germany, do not give out oral examination. Why do u think tis is the case ? Why is TUM the university of your choice also claim tat oral examination is easier than written examination ? U only effectively give me one university tat give out oral examination as part of the core examination, and they do not do it for all modules too
Now u have not answer the previous point
Now do u know under wat circumstances and situation tat I resigned myself to my fate ? Do u know my age ? Do u know my enviroment and circumstances ? U don't. So wat give u the qualification to give comment on something u do not know ?
Have you made up your mind to use 3600 or 3750? Or are all your posts here just bunch of lies again and again?
Having seen you not being able to do such simple calculations (such as 3000/0.8) really show again your incapability. Call yourself an engineer???
Now tat can be explain because previously in jul, my pay is 3600. And tat is why I say it is >3000. Comes Aug my pay become 3750. So it can be 3600 and 3750 at the same time. So is tat a lie ? It is not because it is my life and u know nothing on it. And u r dumb enough to fall into such a trap which u cannot make any claims to it
Back to the previous challenge: if you think you are capable, take out your NTU cert and show me so. You have already shown yourself to be inconsistent in your calculations.
Your view of engineering education is still limited as far as I'm concerned, and there's no further need for me to repost everything out to show your limited vision again. Really worrying when you can say this
Now, why should I show u my NTU cert ? Who r u ? Why should I do such a stupid thing and let people know who I am ? Talking about engineering education, u do not even know the basic job of an engineer. Wat gives u the right to comment ?
Since when is a conclusion equal to a solution.
Tis is again rubbish. I am faced with a problem, i analyse and give a conclusion on the problem. If tat is not a solution, then wat is tat ?
And that you can tell us that one cannot skip questions in written exams. What rubbish that is
It is as rubbish as u claiming u cannot skip question in oral examination. U can skip, u r just penalised. Isn't tat simply rubbish or wat
Could mean I saw you change from 2500 to 3000, then I edited my post at that time.
It mean u r a lier, u lie tat I earn 2500 for your agenda and u fail to come out with any concrete evidence. I already produce evidence from your own reply. Where is your evidence on my statement it is 2500 ? If u cannot produce tis evidence, u r just a lousy lier. U have brought the name of NUS down to the drain
Can you make up your mind to put >3000 or <3000? Call yourself an engineer???
tat is a typo error. So ? U never make typo error ?
Originally posted by stupidissmart:Because most of the world, even universities in germany, do not give out oral examination. Why do u think tis is the case ?
Now u have not answer the previous point
Now do u know under wat circumstances and situation tat I resigned myself to my fate ? Do u know my age ? Do u know my enviroment and circumstances ? U don't. So wat give u the qualification to give comment on something u do not know ?
Now tat can be explain because previously in jun, my pay is 3600. And tat is why I say it is >3000. Comes Aug my pay become 3750. So it can be 3600 and 3750 at the same time. So is tat a lie ? It is not because it is my life and u know nothing on it. And u r dumb enough to fall into such a trap which u cannot make any claims to it
Now, why should I show u my NTU cert ? Who r u ? Why should I do such a stupid thing and let people know who I am ? Talking about engineering education, u do not even know the basic job of an engineer. Wat gives u the right to comment ?
Tis is again rubbish. I am faced with a problem, i analyse and give a conclusion on the problem. Tat is not a solution ? Wat is tat ?
It is as rubbish as u claiming u cannot skip question in oral examination. U can skip, u r just penalised. Isn;t tat rubbish or wat
It mean u r a lier, u lie tat I earn 2500 for your agenda and u fail to come out with any concrete evidence. I already produce evidence from your own reply. Where is your evidence on my statement it is 2500 ? If u cannot produce tis evidence, u r just a lousy lier. U have brought the name of NUS down to the drain
tat is a typo error. So ? U never make typo error ?
Because most of the world, even universities in germany, do not give out oral examination. Why do u think tis is the case ?
Now u have not answer the previous point
Now do u know under wat circumstances and situation tat I resigned myself to my fate ? Do u know my age ? Do u know my enviroment and circumstances ? U don't. So wat give u the qualification to give comment on something u do not know ?
It's not compulsory as on the university website. But do you know (of which I'm sure you don't) that most of the professors prefer giving oral examinations?
It's not compulsory because it's time consuming, and professors might not have enough time to do so. Any reason now why professors prefer giving out oral examinations?
If you can comment on something you do not really know about, what gives you the right to tell me I cannot?
Now tat can be explain because previously in jun, my pay is 3600. And tat is why I say it is >3000. Comes Aug my pay become 3750. So is tat a lie ? It is not because it is my life and u know nothing on it. And u r dumb enough to fall into such a trap which u cannot make any claims to it
Yah la, now you are changing to whatever you like, because you have been caught not being able to do simple calculations.
Now, why should I show u my NTU cert ? Who r u ? Why should I do such a stupid thing and let people know who I am ? Talking about engineering education, u do not even know the basic job of an engineer. Wat gives u the right to comment ?
Fine. What class did you get, what awards did you get.
Tis is again rubbish. I am faced with a problem, i analyse and give a conclusion on the problem. Tat is not a solution ? Wat is tat ?
Don't talk rubbish la. A conclusion does not necessary mean a solution. A conclusion can mean that you found the root of the problem. Solutions can be passed to a different engineer to do. Different engineers have different jobs.
It is as rubbish as u claiming u cannot skip question in oral examination. U can skip, u r just penalised. Isn;t tat rubbish or wat
You cannot skip because the professor will hound you for it. You mean all the while you still don't understand?
It mean u r a lier, u lie tat I earn 2500 for your agenda and u fail to come out with any concrete evidence. I already produce evidence from your own reply. Where is your evidence on my statement it is 2500 ? If u cannot produce tis evidence, u r just a lousy lier. U have brought the name of NUS down to the drain
You edited your post from 2500 to 3000. I edited my post from 2500 to 3000 after I saw you edit your post. Can you prove this scenario wrong at all?
tat is a typo error. So ? U never make typo error ?
Orh. So I made error in my memory cannot. You make error can lor.
It's not compulsory as on the university website. But do you know (of which I'm sure you don't) that most of the professors prefer giving oral examinations?
It's not compulsory because it's time consuming, and professors might not have enough time to do so. Any reason now why professors prefer giving out oral examinations?
If you can comment on something you do not really know about, what gives you the right to tell me I cannot?
U claim professors prefer giving oral examinations. Prove it. Tat is your old argument isn't it ? And why oral examination is not encouraged maybe because it is subjective. To be fair, written examination is the best. U only manage to list out one university tat give oral examination as part of the core exam, and TUM had already clarify tat oral exam r easier than written exam.
I have given my justification based on actual events verifiable by facts. But do u have such facts on me ?
Yah la, now you are changing to whatever you like, because you have been caught not being able to do simple calculations.
Now u claimed I changed to watever I like becasue I fail in simple calculation in tis case. Prove it. U claim it u prove it. U stated yourself
Fine. What class did you get, what awards did you get.
Why should I tell u ? I can be as good as LKY scholar and top of the class yet can be someone who drop out from school. Wat is the point u r trying to bring ?
Don't talk rubbish la. A conclusion does not necessary mean a solution. A conclusion can mean that you found the root of the problem. Solutions can be passed to a different engineer to do. Different engineers have different jobs.
Com'on la... u found the root of the problem, isn't tat already the solution to the cause of the problem ? As said by the definition of wiki before.
Engineers are concerned with developing economical and safe solutions to practical problems, by applying mathematics and scientific knowledge while considering technical constraints
U wanna redefine the word engineer ?
You cannot skip because the professor will hound you for it. You mean all the while you still don't understand?
If u tell the professor "I don't know tat answer", similar to leaving a blank in the written exam, u think the professor will keep asking it ? Is he stupid or something and cannot understand english ?
You edited your post from 2500 to 3000. I edited my post from 2500 to 3000 after I saw you edit your post. Can you prove this scenario wrong at all?
I claimed I have always written >3000, I proved it from YOUR reply.
Now u claim I edited my post from 2500 to 3000. Prove it. U claim it u prove it.
Orh. So I made error in my memory cannot. You make error can lor.
Did I hurl verbal abuses over my own typo error ? U however hurl verbal abuses over your own memory problem. Tat is a different story
Originally posted by stupidissmart:U claim professors prefer giving oral examinations. Prove it. Tat is your old argument isn't it ? And why oral examination is not encouraged maybe because it is subjective. To be fair, written examination is the best. U only manage to list out one university tat give oral examination as part of the core exam, and TUM had already clarify tat oral exam r easier than written exam.
I have given my justification based on actual events verifiable by facts. But do u have such facts on me ?
Now u claimed I changed to watever I like becasue I fail in simple calculation in tis case. Prove it. U claim it u prove it. U stated yourself
Why should I tell u ? I can be as good as LKY scholar and top of the class yet can be someone who drop out from school. Wat is the point u r trying to bring ?
Com'on la... u found the root of the problem, isn't tat already the solution to the cause of the problem ? As said by the definition of wiki before.
Engineers are concerned with developing economical and safe solutions to practical problems, by applying mathematics and scientific knowledge while considering technical constraints
U wanna redefine the word engineer ?
If u tell the professor "I don't know tat answer", similar to leaving a blank in the written exam, u think the professor will keep asking it ? Is he stupid or something and cannot understand english ?
I claimed I have always written >3000, I proved it from YOUR reply.
Now u claim I edited my post from 2500 to 3000. Prove it. U claim it u prove it.
Did I hurl verbal abuses over my own typo error ? U however hurl verbal abuses over your own memory problem. Tat is a different story
U claim professors prefer giving oral examinations. Prove it. Tat is your old argument isn't it ? And why oral examination is not encouraged maybe because it is subjective. To be fair, written examination is the best. U only manage to list out one university tat give oral examination as part of the core exam, and TUM had already clarify tat oral exam r easier than written exam.
I have given my justification based on actual events verifiable by facts. But do u have such facts on me ?
I said it based on personal experience. And that includes TUM.
And use your brain, if you have. Tell me how to prove such thing call "preference" and personal experience.
You gave your justification based on what facts? Oral exams is easier in total because it does not test worked solutions. But when it tests theories and facts, it's much more comprehensive and rigorous. Are you really one with such a limited view?
Now u claimed I changed to watever I like becasue I fail in simple calculation in tis case. Prove it. U claim it u prove it. U stated yourself
This is what you have said
Now tat is my take home pay. If u add in CPF contribution it is 3600 a month.
3000 add in CPF contribution become 3600... wow...
Why should I tell u ? I can be as good as LKY scholar and top of the class yet can be someone who drop out from school. Wat is the point u r trying to bring ?
You cannot calculate
Com'on la... u found the root of the problem, isn't tat already the solution to the cause of the problem ? As said by the definition of wiki before.
Engineers are concerned with developing economical and safe solutions to practical problems, by applying mathematics and scientific knowledge while considering technical constraints
U wanna redefine the word engineer ?
Rubbish again. Since when finding the root of a problem = finding a solution. The root of the problem merely means you know where went wrong. Example could be discovering that some defect on a semiconductor chip has caused the problem, and somehow this chip has escaped the production flow.
The solution to the problem is to code a software code to test and find out this error in the production flow.
Wiki states what an engineer should do in an engineering job, and not what is the main job of engineers. There's a difference. A professor in the education business for engineering is still an engineer; his main job is education.
Talk about being limited in your views.
If u tell the professor "I don't know tat answer", similar to leaving a blank in the written exam, u think the professor will keep asking it ? Is he stupid or something and cannot understand english ?
Yes he will ask again. Sometime giving you chances and hints, to make really sure you really really do not know. Not so for written examinations, where you can not know what it means, yet give a correct answer. Again, you are talking about oral examinations, something you do not even know about.
I claimed I have always written >3000, I proved it from YOUR reply.
Now u claim I edited my post from 2500 to 3000. Prove it. U claim it u prove it.
Don't talk rubbish la. You quote me writing <3000, and you posted >3000 (no editing as of 17 august 1130pm).
Did I hurl verbal abuses over my own typo error ? U however hurl verbal abuses over your own memory problem. Tat is a different story
Need I quote back to you my apologies over the number? Or are you blind enough not to have read it at all (selective reading disorder)?
I said it based on personal experience. And that includes TUM.
And use your brain, if you have. Tell me how to prove such thing call "preference" and personal experience.
Personal experience ? U mean u r professor xavier or something ? U can read their mind and feel their emotion ? How do u experience their preference ? Since u cannot prove it, then how can u claim it ?
You gave your justification based on what facts? Oral exams is easier in total because it does not test worked solutions. But when it tests theories and facts, it's much more comprehensive and rigorous. Are you really one with such a limited view?
3 facts; Only TUD give oral examination to its core curriculum. TUD give more written exams than oral. TUM had put oral exams as something lower than written.
Now TUM had stated it is easier. SO u twist and turn and come out with another theory tat it does not test worked solution and it is easier ? Overall is it easier or harder ? There is no such thing as a paper is easy and hard or a person is fat and thin at the same time. R u contradicting yourself ? Limited view ? Based on wat ?
3000 add in CPF contribution become 3600... wow...
And wat is the earlier amount I had stated ? >3000. So wat is wrong ?
You cannot calculate
R u the one spotting the error ? If my memory serves me right, u aren't. So how is your calculation ?
Rubbish again. Since when finding the root of a problem = finding a solution. The root of the problem merely means you know where went wrong. Example could be discovering that some defect on a semiconductor chip has caused the problem, and somehow this chip has escaped the production flow.
Tat is the solution to the cause of the problem. The job of the engineer is to find out wat went wrong first. He found out it is some defect on the chip. So he come out with the solution to wat is the cause of the problem. Tat is already the solution
Wiki states what an engineer should do in an engineering job, and not what is the main job of engineers. There's a difference. A professor in the education business for engineering is still an engineer; his main job is education.
U r talking rubbish again. Wiki had explicitly stated the definition of engineers as a problem solver. However u want to deny the defintion and say tat is not the main job. Do u know wat is the use of definition ? It tells u wat it is about. In tis case it tells wat engineer is about. If u look at professor, from wiki
Professors are qualified experts, of the various levels described above, who may do the following:
It stated everything !
So u still wanna redefine the word engineer ?
Yes he will ask again. Sometime giving you chances and hints, to make really sure you really really do not know. Not so for written examinations, where you can not know what it means, yet give a correct answer. Again, you are talking about oral examinations, something you do not even know about.
Then isn't tat already subjective and more easier compared with written exam ? U leave it blank it is ZERO. IN an oral they give u hint and u get SOME. Then tat is more reason not to skip question in written exam and u need to study everything in it
Don't talk rubbish la. You quote me writing <3000, and you posted >3000 (no editing as of 17 august 1130pm).
Nice try. But u r completely talking about different things now. U claim I wrote 2500 before. U claim I edit it to become 3000. Now PROVE IT.
Need I quote back to you my apologies over the number? Or are you blind enough not to have read it at all (selective reading disorder)?
Then wat do u do ? U continue to claim I am incapable and lousy. IS tat even an apology ?
Originally posted by stupidissmart:Personal experience ? U mean u r professor xavier or something ? U can read their mind and feel their emotion ? How do u experience their preference ? Since u cannot prove it, then how can u claim it ?
3 facts; Only TUD give oral examination to its core curriculum. TUD give more written exams than oral. TUM had put oral exams as something lower than written.
Now TUM had stated it is easier. SO u twist and turn and come out with another theory tat it does not test worked solution and it is easier ? Overall is it easier or harder ? There is no such thing as a paper is easy and hard or a person is fat and thin at the same time. R u contradicting yourself ? Limited view ? Based on wat ?
And wat is the earlier amount I had stated ? >3000. So wat is wrong ?
R u the one spotting the error ? If my memory serves me right, u aren't. So how is your calculation ?
Tat is the solution to the cause of the problem. The job of the engineer is to find out wat went wrong first. He found out it is some defect on the chip. So he come out with the solution to wat is the cause of the problem. Tat is already the solution
U r talking rubbish again. Wiki had explicitly stated the definition of engineers as a problem solver. However u want to deny the defintion and say tat is not the main job. Do u know wat is the use of definition ? It tells u wat it is about. In tis case it tells wat engineer is about. If u look at professor, from wiki
Professors are qualified experts, of the various levels described above, who may do the following:
- conduct lectures and seminars in their field of study (i.e., they "profess"), such as the basic fields of science, humanities, social sciences, education, literature or the applied fields of engineering, music, medicine, law, or business;
- perform advanced research in their fields.
- provide pro bono community service, including consulting functions (such as advising government and nonprofit organizations);
- teach campus-based or online courses with the help of instructional technology;
- train young or new academics (graduate students).
It stated everything !
So u still wanna redefine the word engineer ?
Then isn't tat already subjective and more easier compared with written exam ? U leave it blank it is ZERO. IN an oral they give u hint and u get SOME. Then tat is more reason not to skip question in written exam and u need to study everything in it
Nice try. But u r completely talking about different things now. U claim I wrote 2500 before. U claim I edit it to become 3000. Now PROVE IT.
Then wat do u do ? U continue to claim I am incapable and lousy. IS tat even an apology ?
Personal experience ? U mean u r professor xavier or something ? U can read their mind and feel their emotion ? How do u experience their preference ? Since u cannot prove it, then how can u claim it ?
It's told to me by their PhD students when I asked them the mode of exams. Are you telling me those full-time PhD students there do not know what is going on? They are the ones who conducted the oral examinations along with the professors.
3 facts; Only TUD give oral examination to its core curriculum. TUD give more written exams than oral. TUM had put oral exams as something lower than written.
Now TUM had stated it is easier. SO u twist and turn and come out with another theory tat it does not test worked solution and it is easier ? Overall is it easier or harder ? There is no such thing as a paper is easy and hard or a person is fat and thin at the same time. R u contradicting yourself ? Limited view ? Based on wat ?
You must be having selective reading disorder again. I twist and turn and come out with another theory tat it does not test worked solution and it is easier??? All the while, from a few pages ago, I have been telling you that it does not test worked solutions. Yet you are still trying to compare between written paper (with worked solutions tested) vs oral examinations (without worked solutions tested)
Show concrete proof that oral examinations on theories and facts is indeed easier than written examinations on theories and facts.
U r talking rubbish again. Wiki had explicitly stated the definition of engineers as a problem solver. However u want to deny the defintion and say tat is not the main job. Do u know wat is the use of definition ? It tells u wat it is about. In tis case it tells wat engineer is about. If u look at professor, from wiki
Professors are qualified experts, of the various levels described above, who may do the following:
- conduct lectures and seminars in their field of study (i.e., they "profess"), such as the basic fields of science, humanities, social sciences, education, literature or the applied fields of engineering, music, medicine, law, or business;
- perform advanced research in their fields.
- provide pro bono community service, including consulting functions (such as advising government and nonprofit organizations);
- teach campus-based or online courses with the help of instructional technology;
- train young or new academics (graduate students).
It stated everything !
So u still wanna redefine the word engineer ?
Are you trying to tell me professors in a uni teaching engineering graduates are not engineers?
And what happened to your finding the root of a problem = solution??
Then isn't tat already subjective and more easier compared with written exam ? U leave it blank it is ZERO. IN an oral they give u hint and u get SOME. Then tat is more reason not to skip question in written exam and u need to study everything in it
You are telling me it's easier when you have not experienced it? Go look back at your statement on having no rights to comment when you do not know everything about it.
Nice try. But u r completely talking about different things now. U claim I wrote 2500 before. U claim I edit it to become 3000. Now PROVE IT
Redirection eh, after I proved your inability to do simple calculations.
I proved to you by showing you the message of "edited". Is there any way in which you can prove that you didn't edit?
Then wat do u do ? U continue to claim I am incapable and lousy. IS tat even an apology ?
Well, since you cannot do simple calculations.... and that you resigned yourself to fate and circumstances at a young age. I'm assuming that you are a fresh grad with 1st class honours because $3750 is near to what many first class fresh grads are earning now.
It's told to me by their PhD students when I asked them the mode of exams. Are you telling me those full-time PhD students there do not know what is going on? They are the ones who conducted the oral examinations along with the professors.
Then u r completely blur liao. Phd do oral defense on their thesis. It is NOT on modules tat they have taken. If u talk about oral defense, almost ALL university use presentation style for it. So the comment from the Phd student r on oral defence and it not valid for your modular exams
You must be having selective reading disorder again. I twist and turn and come out with another theory tat it does not test worked solution and it is easier??? All the while, from a few pages ago, I have been telling you that it does not test worked solutions. Yet you are still trying to compare between written paper (with worked solutions tested) vs oral examinations (without worked solutions tested)
Show concrete proof that oral examinations on theories and facts is indeed easier than written examinations on theories and facts.
From your reply earlier
Written examinations are way too easy to score; they are no brainers. I'm sure many had experienced being able to score As for some modules even though they do not fully understand it.
If many people think that such a system is hard to score, I can tell you they will die even more badly if they were to go to a German university.
U also claim
Oral exams is easier in total because it does not test worked solutions
U claim oral exams is much more difficult than written exam, and people will die if they go to germany for studies. Then u change your stand and say ORAL EXAMS IS EASIER IN TOTAL. So wat is your point ? U flip flop on your stand and lie again
Are you trying to tell me professors in a uni teaching engineering graduates are not engineers?
U r again arguing out of point. An engineer is an engineer. A professor is a professor. They r different occupations. If u say a professor is an engineer, then your dad, lets say who is a policeman, is also a teacher to u. SO r u gonna tell me the definition of policeman is the same as teacher ? U r talking rubbish ! Engineers give real solution to practical problem as listed in wikipedia. I don't see why u should redefine the word or try to pull in professor into it
And what happened to your finding the root of a problem = solution??
R u blind or something ? I had replied earlier
Tat is the solution to the cause of the problem. The job of the engineer is to find out wat went wrong first. He found out it is some defect on the chip. So he come out with the solution to wat is the cause of the problem. Tat is already the solution
You are telling me it's easier when you have not experienced it? Go look back at your statement on having no rights to comment when you do not know everything about it.
It is easier based on YOUR description... I am talking about YOUR description. And u claimed it is easier and harder at the same time. U know wat u r talking about ?
Redirection eh, after I proved your inability to do simple calculations.
I proved to you by showing you the message of "edited". Is there any way in which you can prove that you didn't edit?
Wat do u proved ? U r silent over the calculation part and it is proved u r wrong. Wat message is edited ? Where ? U in your OWN reply had admitted it is 3000. How can I edit YOUR reply ?
Well, since you cannot do simple calculations.... and that you resigned yourself to fate and circumstances at a young age. I'm assuming that you are a fresh grad with 1st class honours because $3750 is near to what many first class fresh grads are earning now.
U did not prove I fail to calculate, u fail to prove u know my situation and circumstances, u failed to establish any facts about me and u can claim I am "incapable" and "lousy". U even fail to establish my age ! How can u conclude anything about me ?
Originally posted by stupidissmart:Then u r completely blur liao. Phd do oral defense on their thesis. It is NOT on modules tat they have taken. If u talk about oral defense, almost ALL university use presentation style for it. So the comment from the Phd student r on oral defence and it not valid for your modular exams
From your reply earlier
Written examinations are way too easy to score; they are no brainers. I'm sure many had experienced being able to score As for some modules even though they do not fully understand it.
If many people think that such a system is hard to score, I can tell you they will die even more badly if they were to go to a German university.
U also claim
Oral exams is easier in total because it does not test worked solutions
U claim oral exams is much more difficult than written exam, and people will die if they go to germany for studies. Then u change your stand and say ORAL EXAMS IS EASIER IN TOTAL. So wat is your point ? U flip flop on your stand and lie again
U r again arguing out of point. An engineer is an engineer. A professor is a professor. They r different occupations. If u say a professor is an engineer, then your dad, lets say who is a policeman, is also a teacher to u. SO r u gonna tell me the definition of policeman is the same as teacher ? U r talking rubbish ! Engineers give real solution to practical problem as listed in wikipedia. I don't see why u should redefine the word or try to pull in professor into it
R u blind or something ? I had replied earlier
Tat is the solution to the cause of the problem. The job of the engineer is to find out wat went wrong first. He found out it is some defect on the chip. So he come out with the solution to wat is the cause of the problem. Tat is already the solution
It is easier based on YOUR description... I am talking about YOUR description. And u claimed it is easier and harder at the same time. U know wat u r talking about ?
Wat do u proved ? U r silent over the calculation part and it is proved u r wrong. Wat message is edited ? Where ? U in your OWN reply had admitted it is 3000. How can I edit YOUR reply ?
U did not prove I fail to calculate, u fail to prove u know my situation and circumstances, u failed to establish any facts about me and u can claim I am "incapable" and "lousy". U even fail to establish my age ! How can u conclude anything about me ?
Then u r completely blur liao. Phd do oral defense on their thesis. It is NOT on modules tat they have taken. If u talk about oral defense, almost ALL university use presentation style for it. So the comment from the Phd student r on oral defence and it not valid for your modular exams
Your selective reading disorder again. I told you PhD students are one of the examiners. How did you even link it to oral defense of their thesis?
From your reply earlier
Written examinations are way too easy to score; they are no brainers. I'm sure many had experienced being able to score As for some modules even though they do not fully understand it.
If many people think that such a system is hard to score, I can tell you they will die even more badly if they were to go to a German university.
U also claim
Oral exams is easier in total because it does not test worked solutions
U claim oral exams is much more difficult than written exam, and people will die if they go to germany for studies. Then u change your stand and say ORAL EXAMS IS EASIER IN TOTAL. So wat is your point ? U flip flop on your stand and lie again
I have told you that all the way, oral examinations are not testing on worked solutions. They are harder when testing on theories and facts. This has been pointed out to you.
Any reason why you are asking the same question again and again when things have already been pointed out to you?
U r again arguing out of point. An engineer is an engineer. A professor is a professor. They r different occupations. If u say a professor is an engineer, then your dad, lets say who is a policeman, is also a teacher to u. SO r u gonna tell me the definition of policeman is the same as teacher ? U r talking rubbish ! Engineers give real solution to practical problem as listed in wikipedia. I don't see why u should redefine the word or try to pull in professor into it
An engineering professor is still an engineer. Still don't get it?
Any reason (again) why you are moving from talking about engineers to talking about occupation as engineers?
Tat is the solution to the cause of the problem. The job of the engineer is to find out wat went wrong first. He found out it is some defect on the chip. So he come out with the solution to wat is the cause of the problem. Tat is already the solution
Wrong. I can tell you my MNC divides into product engineering and test engineering. The first part of what you described was for product engineering. The second part is what is for test engineering. Two different job scopes, and you are lumping them together.
You don't specialise in both understanding the product and understanding the massive codes; you will overwork from doing that.
It is easier based on YOUR description... I am talking about YOUR description. And u claimed it is easier and harder at the same time. U know wat u r talking about ?
I have already mentioned way way earlier I'm lazy to explain to you how it works. Yet without knowing anything much, you want to consistently talk about it.
Go read back (again) on your statement on not having the rights to comment if you don't know anything about it.
Wat do u proved ? U r silent over the calculation part and it is proved u r wrong. Wat message is edited ? Where ? U in your OWN reply had admitted it is 3000. How can I edit YOUR reply ?
Don't redirect (yet again). You are the one who stated that 3000 in your take home pay (3000 as reflected in my post, that's right) and that it is 3600 after adding CPF contribution. Wondering what sort of engineering maths you have used.
U did not prove I fail to calculate, u fail to prove u know my situation and circumstances, u failed to establish any facts about me and u can claim I am "incapable" and "lousy". U even fail to establish my age ! How can u conclude anything about me ?
1) You tell me the value of 3600 after adding CPF contribution after you replied that 3000 is your take home pay => failed to calculate
2) 2 circumstances for you to choose
i) You are a first class fresh grad earning $3750, and cannot calculate simple stuff
ii) You are not a fresh grad (since you said I failed to establish your age) and thus at $3750 for not being a fresh grad, you are indeed incapable and lousy.
Doesn't offend me cuz I am not a Uni grad. LOL.
None of my business.
Your selective reading disorder again. I told you PhD students are one of the examiners. How did you even link it to oral defense of their thesis?
And again, how many professors r there compared with the number of professors in the world ?
I have told you that all the way, oral examinations are not testing on worked solutions. They are harder when testing on theories and facts. This has been pointed out to you.
Any reason why you are asking the same question again and again when things have already been pointed out to you?
And u have not been answering the question. OVERALL, IN TOTAL, which one is easier ? U have been giving contradictory response to tis question. U can say oral is harder on theories and facts bla bla bla but doesn't need to work out solution bla bla bla but OVERALL which is harder ? Your problem is u have been giving contradictory answer to the above
An engineering professor is still an engineer. Still don't get it?
Any reason (again) why you are moving from talking about engineers to talking about occupation as engineers?
U don't get it. An engineer doesn't mean they r an engineering professor. Why r u pulling in professor to the definition of engineer ? And Engineers is an occupation. R u confused or something ? If u look at wiki again on the definition of engineer in the previus line
An engineer is a person who is professionally engaged in a field of engineering.
It is an occupation ? God ! DO I have to prove to u engineer is an occupation ?? U never heard of it before ?
Wrong. I can tell you my MNC divides into product engineering and test engineering. The first part of what you described was for product engineering. The second part is what is for test engineering. Two different job scopes, and you are lumping them together.
Wat is wrong ? I already told u tis engineer had found the solution, the answer to wat cause tis problem. Tat itself is the solution. As said u r working yourself into a trap. U r trying to fight against the defined word for engineer.
I have already mentioned way way earlier I'm lazy to explain to you how it works. Yet without knowing anything much, you want to consistently talk about it.
Go read back (again) on your statement on not having the rights to comment if you don't know anything about it.
U already give a lot of desciption on the whole process. U already mentioned
Yes he will ask again. Sometime giving you chances and hints, to make really sure you really really do not know. Not so for written examinations, where you can not know what it means, yet give a correct answer. Again, you are talking about oral examinations, something you do not even know about.
Which I had replied
Then isn't tat already subjective and more easier compared with written exam ? U leave it blank it is ZERO. IN an oral they give u hint and u get SOME. Then tat is more reason not to skip question in written exam and u need to study everything in it
I know something about it, something which u had stated previously. If u felt u have nothing better to say, then u can just start by swallowing back all your words on whose views r limited
Don't redirect (yet again). You are the one who stated that 3000 in your take home pay (3000 as reflected in my post, that's right) and that it is 3600 after adding CPF contribution. Wondering what sort of engineering maths you have used.
Talking about redirection, it is probably U. In tis part of the response, it has always been about your claim tat I WROTE 2500 before. WHen I asked u to prove it, u lie here, lie there, claim tis claim tat and come out with NOTHING. Now u suddenly turn around and talk about another different issue. Is tat all u can do now ? Trying to twist your way out of the hole u had dug ?
I already told u I have 2 pay. One in Jul and the other Aug. So selective amnesia again ?
1) You tell me the value of 3600 after adding CPF contribution after you replied that 3000 is your take home pay => failed to calculate
It is probably u who fail to read properly as stated above
2) 2 circumstances for you to choose
i) You are a first class fresh grad earning $3750, and cannot calculate simple stuff
ii) You are not a fresh grad (since you said I failed to establish your age) and thus at $3750 for not being a fresh grad, you are indeed incapable and lousy.
There r hundred of possibilities.
(iii) I can start work for a year already and not legally a fresh grad
(iv) I can be self employed and trying to start a business and tat is why I do not have a fixed income
(v) I can be a freelance artist tat get the pay according to how many days I worked
(vi) I can be 95 and still employed as a professional at a reduced pay
(vii) I can be doing PhD study and tat amount is my scholarship
(viii) I can be outside singapore and tat is the amount after coverting to sing dollar
and so on
U don't know anything about me. U dare to conclude wat type of person I am without any information. All the way u r claiming here and claiming there without able to prove out anything. Since u do now know who I am, wat gives u the right to deduce wat type of person I am ?
U want to play tis game, I can play too
1) Either u admited u do not know anything about me and came out with bogus conclusion which u cannot prove and had to publicly apologise
2) or u can continue to add in more rubbish on something u do not know and eventually still came out with bogus conclusion and still had to publicly apologise
Stupidissmart, I'm calling this a close with the following conclusion:
In this thread alone, you
1) have been confused over and over again because you do not know anything at all about the German oral tests, yet flailingly attempt to give wrong comments again and again even when you have been pointed wrong. It's like
A: Water Chestnut can be eaten
B: But this website says it cannot be eaten
A: It cannot be eaten if the shell is not taken off
B: Then just now you say it can be eaten. Why is it that you claim that it can be eaten, then the website on water chestnuts claim that it cannot be eaten?
The more you try to talk about oral examinations without having any personal experiences, the shallower you are. This is especially hypocritical when you are the one who told me that I do not have the right to comment on things I have no idea of
2) have seriously dented your own credibility and accountability. Of course I can see that saying 3000 and 3600 was a minor mistake of yours. Somehow, you can admit to typo errors, yet you attempt to wriggle, twist, and turn away from your a simple calculation error without admitting it, and bring up new numbers to direct attention away from your mistake. The way you put it forward cannot even be considered a clarification, but a blatant attempt to slither away. This hasn't happened once; it happened before when M13 pointed out to you the difference between tax avoidance and tax evasion.
3) have yet again displayed certain character traits that has been earlier pointed out to you in other threads. I shall not list them again.
All said, I'm not without my own errors
1) I admit being wrong to throw a personal insult on you based on your salary earlier (and on a wrong number somemore). That's pretty uncouth of me, I admit.
2) I indeed do not know what your "fate and circumstances" entails, although I could have used your own arguments against you, saying that your "fate and circumstances" means your incapability and lousiness by extrapolation. But then, I won't do that here, because it's time to end our lengthy discussions. I promise I won't talk about you resigning to "fate and circumstances" again, and use it as a personal insult to you.
In short, have a good Monday, and I wish you luck, success and happiness in this week's work. There's no point of both of us to waste unconstructive time in this forum on this stupid topic when it could be better spent elsewhere.
Well there r some points which i felt have been concluded wrongly. I felt I have the right to continue since earlier, u refuse to settle amicably and conclude I have limiting views, which is something u refuse to correct up till now. Remember previously
Anyway, this thread already shows your limited views. What's more with the statement "written examinations cannot skip questions" -.-"
And u refuse to let me exit the thread in a normalised manner. And your ending reply is still hinting heavily negatively on my character and style of writing
have been confused over and over again because you do not know anything at all about the German oral tests, yet flailingly attempt to give wrong comments again and again even when you have been pointed wrong. It's like
A: Water Chestnut can be eaten
B: But this website says it cannot be eaten
A: It cannot be eaten if the shell is not taken off
B: Then just now you say it can be eaten. Why is it that you claim that it can be eaten, then the website on water chestnuts claim that it cannot be eaten?
Now u see, u tell me how great tis oral exam is and tat why universities in the world should follow their system. I pointed out some flaws to tis system as well as proving tat it is not commonly found in the academic field. I also prove from one of the university that u had chosen stating tat oral exams is supposed to be easier compared with standard exams. When faced with such facts, your argument only dwell on the fact tat I did not experience the exams myself and not on countering the facts which i had brought up. I did not experience oral exams, but I am sure TUM and his staff know more about oral exams than u.
have seriously dented your own credibility and accountability. Of course I can see that saying 3000 and 3600 was a minor mistake of yours. Somehow, you can admit to typo errors, yet you attempt to wriggle, twist, and turn away from your a simple calculation error without admitting it, and bring up new numbers to direct attention away from your mistake. The way you put it forward cannot even be considered a clarification, but a blatant attempt to slither away. This hasn't happened once; it happened before when M13 pointed out to you the difference between tax avoidance and tax evasion.
The fact remains tat tis is about my life and u cannot prove I did not get an increment of 150 in the last month. U can only claim I am "slithering away" only when u can proved I lied about my increment. Otherwise, it is just ignorance on your part on certain facts of my life
About tax avoidance and tax evasion, I find M13 is at peace with the clarifications I had made. If u felt it is not conclusive, u r free to join in the discussion
Now comes to the part on u claiming I had limited view
Base on you saying things like
written examination cannot skip questions too
and
The more important skills for an engineer or a research is to come out with the solution or write a world class research paper.
Now on the first part, I already stated tat u cannot skip question in a written exams unless u want to be penalised. I have also stated tat tis is no different from oral examination since u can straight away tell your examiner u do not know the answer which is akin to leaving blank on the answer script. U have also stated tat oral examination has the benefit of examiners prompting and hinting u on the answer which a written exam do not. So why do u claim tat I had limited views on "written exams cannot skip questions" ?
On the "important skill for an engineer or a research is to come out with solution or write a world class paper", I have shown u the textbook definition of "engineer" which do follow my interpretation of coming out with solution. Sad to say, u begin to pull in the word professor and training officer into the whole picture which is mutually independent from "engineer". U even provide an example tat proves my point tat an engineer's primary job is to come out with solution. So how is my view limited ?
If you still want to continue, it's fine.
When faced with such facts, your argument only dwell on the fact tat I did not experience the exams myself and not on countering the facts which i had brought up. I did not experience oral exams, but I am sure TUM and his staff know more about oral exams than u.
Well, are you very very sure your single piece of information (single sentence) is more reliable when you have not even experienced it yourself?
This is what you like to say: Prove it. Prove that your info is much more accurate and reliable than what I have personally experienced first-hand.
As usual, go back to read your statement on not having the right to comment if you don't know anything. Don't be a sore hypocrite (yet again).
The fact remains tat tis is about my life and u cannot prove I did not get an increment of 150 in the last month. U can only claim I am "slithering away" only when u can proved I lied about my increment. Otherwise, it is just ignorance on your part on certain facts of my life
And the fact remains that you told me 3000 is your take home pay and it will be 3600 after tax contributions. Whether you have an increment a not (which is not even the case now), you have still made a mistake in that post/statement, of which till now you still cannot reconcile.
Also, the fact remains that you know minimal about how the oral examinations function, simply because you have not even experienced it yourself. It is simply "ignorance on your part on certain facts" of oral examinations.
Now on the first part, I already stated tat u cannot skip question in a written exams unless u want to be penalised. I have also stated tat tis is no different from oral examination since u can straight away tell your examiner u do not know the answer which is akin to leaving blank on the answer script. U have also stated tat oral examination has the benefit of examiners prompting and hinting u on the answer which a written exam do not. So why do u claim tat I had limited views on "written exams cannot skip questions" ?
Your view is still limited because you fail to consider many things. You don't even understand what's the main purpose of skipping questions in written exams, yet you are telling me it is the same as oral examinations.
To spoonfeed your stupidity, since you want to continue, skipping questions in which you have no idea how to answer during written exams save you massive amount of time to do other questions; do the same thing in oral exams, and you get hounded on it. There's no incentive at all to skip questions, because you can't escape; the professor will keep questioning you on that portion, and when the time is up, you do not get the chance to further show what you have studied. Thus, you become heavily penalised. Subjective? Probably, but it ensures that you really really have to know everything very very well. Do you still need further clarifications?
On the "important skill for an engineer or a research is to come out with solution or write a world class paper", I have shown u the textbook definition of "engineer" which do follow my interpretation of coming out with solution. Sad to say, u begin to pull in the word professor and training officer into the whole picture which is mutually independent from "engineer". U even provide an example tat proves my point tat an engineer's primary job is to come out with solution. So how is my view limited ?
I have told you finding the root of the problem is not equal to find a solution. I have no idea why you tell me my example proves your point, because I remember having clearly told you the difference between the job scope of a product engineer and a test engineer. Finding the root of the problem means finding the reason, the pre-requisite for the next engineer to finding a solution; it is in no way an answer to the problem. An answer merely means that it has been solved, but finding the root of the problem in no ways guarantees that it has been solved. Are you going to tell me next that you have much higher qualifications than a MNC to say that their job scope is wrong?
Where the hell did I pull in the word "training officer"?
You tell me yourself. Is an engineering professor an engineer? If my professor can tell me he's an engineer, and spend the bulk of his time giving lectures and preparing notes, are you telling me you are more qualified than my professor?
If you still want to continue, it's fine
Come la ! U started tis game first. Lets see who ends up speechless la
Well, are you very very sure your single piece of information (single sentence) is more reliable when you have not even experienced it yourself?
This is what you like to say: Prove it. Prove that your info is much more accurate and reliable than what I have personally experienced first-hand.
As usual, go back to read your statement on not having the right to comment if you don't know anything. Don't be a sore hypocrite (yet again).
All the information I had provided r factual. Only your university does oral examination (factual). Even TUD does not have all the modules with oral examination (factual). TUM stated in their website it is easier than written examination (factual). So how do u propose I Experience all university, or worked as a staff in TUM or do all the modules there in TUD. U r talking rubbish here. U cannot rebuked these facts and u only ask me to experience the exam myself. DO I have to eat sh!t to say sh!t taste bad ? Doesn't opinions from real expert with real experience (TUM) suffice ? R u more qualified than the university to talk about oral examination ?
And the fact remains that you told me 3000 is your take home pay and it will be 3600 after tax contributions. Whether you have an increment a not (which is not even the case now), you have still made a mistake in that post/statement, of which till now you still cannot reconcile.
Which statement ? List it out. I had already told u it is about before and after increment.
Also, the fact remains that you know minimal about how the oral examinations function, simply because you have not even experienced it yourself. It is simply "ignorance on your part on certain facts" of oral examinations.
I have already stated view from the university isn't it ? The university is worse than an exchange student such as u ? Who is the real ignorant brat here ?
To spoonfeed your stupidity, since you want to continue, skipping questions in which you have no idea how to answer during written exams save you massive amount of time to do other questions; do the same thing in oral exams, and you get hounded on it. There's no incentive at all to skip questions, because you can't escape; the professor will keep questioning you on that portion, and when the time is up, you do not get the chance to further show what you have studied. Thus, you become heavily penalised. Subjective? Probably, but it ensures that you really really have to know everything very very well. Do you still need further clarifications?
Well as said before, u can simply tell the professor u do not know the answer. Does the professor's brain drop off or something ? He don't understand english ? Since u admit u do not know, why does he keep asking the same topic and question over and oevr again ? If he kept asking something which u already admitted u do not know, then it just show how stupid oral exams r.
I have told you finding the root of the problem is not equal to find a solution. I have no idea why you tell me my example proves your point, because I remember having clearly told you the difference between the job scope of a product engineer and a test engineer.
The solution is defined as
Solution: the act of solving a problem, question. From dictionary.com
Now the question is "wat caused the problem". The solution is wat your engineer example has succeeded in finding out. He solve the question on wat caused the problem by telling his observation tat there is something wrong with the chip. Tat is the solution. And tat is why your friend is called an engineer tat fulfills the definition of the word
You tell me yourself. Is an engineering professor an engineer? If my professor can tell me he's an engineer, and spend the bulk of his time giving lectures and preparing notes, are you telling me you are more qualified than my professor?
See ! U r mixing up a professor and an engineer. As stated before, a professor has many jobs and some include giving lectures. And engineer basic job is stated to solved the world scientific problem. Why r u confused with the 2 different occupations ? An engineer is an engineer and a professor is a professor. Your professor had chosen to be a professor and he is no longer working as an engineer. We r talking about engineer here. Why don't u bring in Hu Jintao who is an engineer in training and chosen to become a politican now. U might as well say an engineer is about managing the country because Hu is an engineer. Why don't u bring in policemen or nurses into the picture while u r at it ?
Originally posted by stupidissmart:Come la ! U started tis game first. Lets see who ends up speechless la
All the information I had provided r factual. Only your university does oral examination (factual). Even TUD does not have all the modules with oral examination (factual). TUM stated in their website it is easier than written examination (factual). So how do u propose I Experience all university, or worked as a staff in TUM or do all the modules there in TUD. U r talking rubbish here. U cannot rebuked these facts and u only ask me to experience the exam myself. DO I have to eat sh!t to say sh!t taste bad ? Doesn't opinions from real expert with real experience (TUM) suffice ? R u more qualified to talk about oral examination from the university itself ?
Which statement ? List it out. I had already told u it is about before and after increment.
I have already stated view from the university isn't it ? The university is worse than an exchange student such as u ? Who is the real ignorant brat here ?
Well as said before, u can simply tell the professor u do not know the answer. Does the professor's brain drop off or something ? He don't understand english ? Since u admit u do not know, why does he keep asking the same topic and question over and oevr again ? If he kept asking something which u already admitted u do not know, then it just show how stupid oral exams r.
The solution is defined as
Solution: the act of solving a problem, question. From dictionary.com
Now the question is "wat caused the problem". The solution is wat your engineer example has succeeded in finding out. He solve the question on wat caused the problem by telling his observation tat there is something wrong with the chip. Tat is the solution
See ! U r mixing up a professor and an engineer. As stated before, a professor has many jobs and some include giving lectures. And engineer basic job is stated to solved the world scientific problem. Why r u confused with the 2 different occupations ? An engineer is an engineer and a professor is a professor. Your professor had chosen to be a professor and he is no longer working as an engineer. We r talking about engineer here. Why don't u bring in Hu Jintao who is an engineer in training and chosen to become a politican now. U might as well say an engineer is managing the country because Hu is an engineer. Why don't u bring in policemen or nurses into the picture while u r at it ?
All the information I had provided r factual. Only your university does oral examination (factual). Even TUD does not have all the modules with oral examination (factual). TUM stated in their website it is easier than written examination (factual). So how do u propose I Experience all university, or worked as a staff in TUM or do all the modules there in TUD. U r talking rubbish here. U cannot rebuked these facts and u only ask me to experience the exam myself. DO I have to eat sh!t to say sh!t taste bad ? Doesn't opinions from real expert with real experience (TUM) suffice ? R u more qualified to talk about oral examination from the university itself ?
You are still trying to tell us that some statements from the university websites is indeed much much more accurate than what was experienced first hand???
You have not even proved yet that the info you got from the university is a much more accurate description, and you are asking me whether I'm more qualified to talk about it as compared to the university?
Which statement ? List it out. I had already told u it is about before and after increment.
The fact remains that you have made a mistake. True or false.
I have already stated view from the university isn't it ? The university is worse than an exchange student such as u ? Who is the real ignorant brat here ?
Check back above.The real ignorant brat is obviously you because you based your source on a few statements on a website put up to attract potential students.
Well as said before, u can simply tell the professor u do not know the answer. Does the professor's brain drop off or something ? He don't understand english ? Since u admit u do not know, why does he keep asking the same topic and question over and oevr again ? If he kept asking something which u already admitted u do not know, then it just show how stupid oral exams r.
Yeah, continue to tell me that the professors are stupid to do that. You must definitely be more qualified to keep telling me that the professors are stupid.
The solution is defined as
Solution: the act of solving a problem, question. From dictionary.com
Now the question is "wat caused the problem". The solution is wat your engineer example has succeeded in finding out. He solve the question on wat caused the problem by telling his observation tat there is something wrong with the chip. Tat is the solution
So in your logic, having solve the questions by telling observations, a teacher does the same job as an engineer, because by solving questions, they are providing solutions.
Please la, your defintion effectively lists every job in the world as having the same job scope as engineers because every job entails solving "questions". Even a road sweeper is an engineer because he provides the solution to a dirty street.
See ! U r mixing up a professor and an engineer. As stated before, a professor has many jobs and some include giving lectures. And engineer basic job is stated to solved the world scientific problem. Why r u confused with the 2 different occupations ? An engineer is an engineer and a professor is a professor. Your professor had chosen to be a professor and he is no longer working as an engineer. We r talking about engineer here. Why don't u bring in Hu Jintao who is an engineer in training and chosen to become a politican now. U might as well say an engineer is managing the country because Hu is an engineer. Why don't u bring in policemen or nurses into the picture while u r at it ?
Seems that you still cannot understand what's an engineering professor. An engineering professor is an engineer, but an engineer is not necessarily a professor. A professor can be doing the job of a Professional Engineer part time, and he's a professor full time. Technically, he's still an engineer, but his main job is education. This has already been pointed out to you. No idea why you want to bring in Hu Jintao into this discussion.
You are still trying to tell us that some statements from the university websites is indeed much much more accurate than what was experienced first hand???
You have not even proved yet that the info you got from the university is a much more accurate description, and you are asking me whether I'm more qualified to talk about it as compared to the university?
If u ask me, the university website is definitely more accurate compared with your claims. Tis is already their official stand. They r a university which u have listed yourself. Why should we doubt the official statement of academics which system u r under ? U r obviously less qualify than the university to state whether is oral examination more easy or not. It is like u telling me doing A is more difficult then B when the school tat teaches u and all the people in it already stated it is easier. Should I believe the master and the whole school or an individual who have poor memory and stated false data such as u ?
The fact remains that you have made a mistake. True or false
U cannot prove it. No mistakes r made. Since u claim I do, then u have to prove it.
Yeah, continue to tell me that the professors are stupid to do that. You must definitely be more qualified to keep telling me that the professors are stupid.
The professor r not the stupid one. It is u who come out with such logically defected stories and made them look stupid
So in your logic, having solve the questions by telling observations, a teacher does the same job as an engineer, because by solving questions, they are providing solutions.
Please la, your defintion effectively lists every job in the world as having the same job scope as engineers because every job entails solving "questions". Even a road sweeper is an engineer because he provides the solution to a dirty street.
U see, the definition is more specific
Engineers are concerned with developing economical and safe solutions to practical problems, by applying mathematics and scientific knowledge while considering technical constraints
Does tis answer u the difference between a sweeper and an engineer ?
Seems that you still cannot understand what's an engineering professor. An engineering professor is an engineer, but an engineer is not necessarily a professor. A professor can be doing the job of a Professional Engineer part time, and he's a professor full time. Technically, he's still an engineer, but his main job is education. This has already been pointed out to you. No idea why you want to bring in Hu Jintao into this discussion.
Tis is again rubbish. He is a professor. If u look at his name card, it writes "professor" NOT "engineer". When he is doing his "part time" jon, u already stated he is an engineer then. When he teaches his "full time job", u already stated he is a professor. U already clearly distinguish the 2 jobs as different. Then suddenly u come out with the wrong logical flow by linking his "part time job" to his "full time job". Tat is really stupid
An engineer can be a part time volunteer police (VSC). He works full time as an engineer and then after work go for part time police. So does tat means technically he is an engineer and his job is to catch robbers ? U r mixing 2 occupations at the same time.
Wha, this thread posting all very intellectual and long, me blur blur...read liao also want to sleep.
Originally posted by stupidissmart:If u ask me, the university website is definitely more accurate compared with your claims. Tis is already their official stand. They r a university which u have listed yourself. Why should we doubt the official statement of academics which system u r under ? U r obviously less qualify than the university to state whether is oral examination more easy or not. It is like u telling me doing A is more difficult then B when the school tat teaches u and all the people in it already stated it is easier. Should I believe the master and the whole school or an individual who have poor memory and stated false data such as u ?
U cannot prove it. No mistakes r made. Since u claim I do, then u have to prove it.
The professor r not the stupid one. It is u who come out with such logically defected stories and made them look stupid
U see, the definition is more specific
Engineers are concerned with developing economical and safe solutions to practical problems, by applying mathematics and scientific knowledge while considering technical constraints
Does tis answer u the difference between a sweeper and an engineer ?
Tis is again rubbish. He is a professor. If u look at his name card, it writes "professor" NOT "engineer". When he is doing his "part time" jon, u already stated he is an engineer then. When he teaches his "full time job", u already stated he is a professor. U already clearly distinguish the 2 jobs as different. Then suddenly u come out with the wrong logical flow by linking his "part time job" to his "full time job". Tat is really stupid
An engineer can be a part time volunteer police (VSC). He works full time as an engineer and then after work go for part time police. So does tat means technically he is an engineer and his job is to catch robbers ? U r mixing 2 occupations at the same time.
If u ask me, the university website is definitely more accurate compared with your claims. Tis is already their official stand. They r a university which u have listed yourself. Why should we doubt the official statement of academics which system u r under ? U r obviously less qualify than the university to state whether is oral examination more easy or not. It is like u telling me doing A is more difficult then B when the school tat teaches u and all the people in it already stated it is easier. Should I believe the master and the whole school or an individual who have poor memory and stated false data such as u ?
Oh yeah
Then maybe you should explain the reason why most Singaporeans fare better in written examinations than oral examinations in a German uni. That is what have been observed.
U cannot prove it. No mistakes r made. Since u claim I do, then u have to prove it.
You are still denying.
This is what I have said
3000 a month is still on the lower end. Which means going back to my earlier statement, it means many are earning $500 more.
and you
Now tat is my take home pay. If u add in CPF contribution it is 3600 a month
and after it has been pointed out to you, you changed your stand extremely fast to
3000 is the takehome pay. So 3750 is the effective salary. It is my salary and I have already told u the 3000 is the takehome pay.
And then try to tell me
So it can be 3600 and 3750 at the same time.
Why not tell me too that both 2880 and 3000 can be your take home pay at the same time?
The professor r not the stupid one. It is u who come out with such logically defected stories and made them look stupid
I have been telling you what have been observed. If you want to think it your way, feel free to do so. Afterall, you are not the one who have been there and experienced it first hand. It's really easy to know who's the ignorant one, to tell me that my observations are logically defected stories because you don't even understand why they will want to do certain things, and the logic behind those actions.
U see, the definition is more specific
Engineers are concerned with developing economical and safe solutions to practical problems, by applying mathematics and scientific knowledge while considering technical constraints
Does tis answer u the difference between a sweeper and an engineer ?
You are telling me that the sweeper does not have technical constraints? Some have only brooms, some have vehicles, etc.
Tis is again rubbish. He is a professor. If u look at his name card, it writes "professor" NOT "engineer". When he is doing his "part time" jon, u already stated he is an engineer then. When he teaches his "full time job", u already stated he is a professor. U already clearly distinguish the 2 jobs as different. Then suddenly u come out with the wrong logical flow by linking his "part time job" to his "full time job". Tat is really stupid
An engineer can be a part time volunteer police (VSC). He works full time as an engineer and then after work go for part time police. So does tat means technically he is an engineer and his job is to catch robbers ? U r mixing 2 occupations at the same time.
For a professor, the part time job entails the same knowledge required as the full time job. How the hell did you even come up with a comparison of a policeman, whose knowledge required is entirely different from what an engineer should know. Try harder please.
Oh yeah
Then maybe you should explain the reason why most Singaporeans fare better in written examinations than oral examinations in a German uni. That is what have been observed.
Well since u say it, then u have to prove it. And wat is your opinion of
If u ask me, the university website is definitely more accurate compared with your claims. Tis is already their official stand. They r a university which u have listed yourself. Why should we doubt the official statement of academics which system u r under ? U r obviously less qualify than the university to state whether is oral examination more easy or not. It is like u telling me doing A is more difficult then B when the school tat teaches u and all the people in it already stated it is easier. Should I believe the master and the whole school or an individual who have poor memory and stated false data such as u ?
IS your opinion "Oh Yeah" and agree with me ?
Why not tell me too that both 2880 and 3000 can be your take home pay at the same time?
Now tat is my take home pay. If u add in CPF contribution it is 3600 a month
If u look at tat, which is from the first time I said on my salary, I am saying >3000. U cut it short to form 3000 but the meaning is 2880. Now wat error have I committed ?
I have been telling you what have been observed. If you want to think it your way, feel free to do so. Afterall, you are not the one who have been there and experienced it first hand. It's really easy to know who's the ignorant one, to tell me that my observations are logically defected stories because you don't even understand why they will want to do certain things, and the logic behind those actions.
So u r saying the professor goes like tis
pro: "Can u tell me wat is the theory A"
Student: "sorry sir, I am not very clear on tat issue."
pro: "can u tell me wat is the theory A"
student: " Ehh... I don't know.. really"
pro: "can u tell me wat is theory A"
student: " ?????"
Is tat wat u r saying the professor is doing ? If tat is the case your story is too ridiculous to be believable. If he ask another different question, then the student had effectively skipped tis question which is similar to the written exam.
You are telling me that the sweeper does not have technical constraints? Some have only brooms, some have vehicles, etc.
Does he need to use scientific knowledge and maths and developing solutions ?
For a professor, the part time job entails the same knowledge required as the full time job. How the hell did you even come up with a comparison of a policeman, whose knowledge required is entirely different from what an engineer should know. Try harder please.
And so ? The occupation is still a professor and not an engineer. Do u know engineer is an occupation ?