Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:I mean Anwar kenna fucked in the ass, not he fuck others in the ass.
OMG!!
Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:I blind in what?
Blind in Lee Kuan Yew lousy chinese or cannot speak chinese?
Please refer to the post before last.
I don't understand.
I blind to what?
People, please give Mr Poh a break. Think about it, he is not evil like the tyrants of this nation.
Strange reaction from some people.
They pissed with something but I have no idea.
I say education system in Singapore produces singlish, this is true.
Why deny it?
Bombard children with multiple language, of course you get rojak lah.
Simple logic right?
Other countries only learn one language, so no rojak.
Simple reasoning right?
Want to speak good english but bombard with two languages, in the end mother tongue rojak, english also rojak, become singlish.
This type of simple logic easy to understand one.
Even Lee Kuan Yew can understand it.
Kuali Baba say I blind.
Blind to what?
At least I am clear about causes of singlish and I know that the campaigns launched by PAP regime are futile.
The root cause of singlish lies in the training received under the public school system.
That is completely clear.
As long as PAP regime continue to evade this problem, singlish cannot be wiped out.
The system itself is the life of singlish.
Understand bo?
Originally posted by 16/f/lonely:Speak "good" english for what?
What is "good" english?
Please lah....
Righto!
Why do we always judge ourself negatively?
Why must Singlish be bad?
Singaporeans have inferiority complex.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pidgin_English
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singlish
Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:Strange reaction from some people.
They pissed with something but I have no idea.
I say education system in Singapore produces singlish, this is true.
Why deny it?
Bombard children with multiple language, of course you get rojak lah.
Simple logic right?
Other countries only learn one language, so no rojak.
Simple reasoning right?
Want to speak good english but bombard with two languages, in the end mother tongue rojak, english also rojak, become singlish.
This type of simple logic easy to understand one.
Even Lee Kuan Yew can understand it.
so the result u r aiming is which one:
option 1:
learn only english, regardless of races
option 2:
learn only mother tongue, regardless of races
option 3:
learn english only till PSLE, sec 1 onwards then learn mother tongue. (still bilingual what...)
option 4:
learn only english, regardless of races.
want to learn mother tongue, go language school to learn. dun come and bother and blame govt.
Rednano, why you so defensive of education system?
It is a system that produces singlish speaking people.
Anyone knows which education system in foreign countries also teach two languages to kids at early age and produce rojak language, mess up everything, confused everything?
Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:Anyone knows which education system in foreign countries also teach two languages to kids at early age and produce rojak language, mess up everything, confused everything?
hongkong, taiwan, malaysia...
canada, official languages: english and french
Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:Rednano, why you so defensive of education system?
It is a system that produces singlish speaking people.
if u can produce a better alternative solution, then u can open ur mouth or start to type....
Malaysia...
and US..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual_language
Originally posted by Rednano:
hongkong, taiwan, malaysia...
canada, official languages: english and french
Poh, nothing to say , right?
make sure the small kids of different races can communicate
hongkong, taiwan, malaysia...
canada, official languages: english and french
Must study how they implement the teaching program, why better than ours.
There is some hope for improvement after all.
if u can produce a better alternative solution, then u can open ur mouth or start to type....
Why?
Originally posted by 00011000:“correct me if I am wrong about Peranakans, the true peranakans were chinese who married local girls and they spoke Malay and Hokkien. Chinese who went back to China to get married continued to speak only Chinese dialects.”
Only part of what you said about Peranakan is correct.
Long before the arrival of European, trade between India and China when as far back as 1500 years. Before the invention of insurance and while it is true that Chinese and Indian trader married local lady as a hedge against thief of good left behind as the trader set sail, this only part of the reality.
The arrival Chinese in SE Asia came mainly in waves.
The first significant wave of Chinese traders came after the founding of Malacca. Malacca, unlike other Malay sultanates was founded and administered with the help of the rich and powerful Muslim Indian traders and the initial few Bandahara (chief Ministers) were all Indian in origin.
With the help of the rich and powerful Muslim Indian, Malacca quickly rose to prominence, attracting traders all over. Malaya was an equatorial jungle with small pockets of indigenous settlers. The founding brought traders from Indonesia and China. Some came and settled down.
(Historian also debating on the earliest arrival the Chinese because it was a borderless world then. Trader came and went freely and the indigenous population was small, arrival/departure of migrant or trader can tilt racial balance.
Even this first wave is disputed by historian. Before the founding of Malacca, were other historical events, e.g. the founding of Kedah etc.
Kedah appeared more of a settlement for Indian traders than a shipping outpost, benefiting trade across the isthmus of Thailand.
Also, there could be earlier smaller Chinese arrival that historian has no way of finding out.)
The second wave came with the marriage of the Sultan of Malacca with a Ming Emperor’s daughter. This marriage also brought about influx of Chinese court officials, artisans, maids, soldiers, courtesans etc. Historian believes that it was thru this arrival that gave rise to the unique Malacca peranakan culture.The third wave came with the annex of Malacca by the Portuguese, later the Dutch. These annexations brought about the first direct sea trade route between China and the western powers.
(The previous were the indirect sea route thru middlemen of Muslim Indian and/or Arab.)
The fourth wave came with the discovering of gold, precious metals and tin. Later, cash crops of rubber. This wave was the largest and came about during the heighten crisis in China and with the remedy of malaria – drainage.
Of all the waves, the last were the least peranakan. In the sense that they were cultural affiliation with China and didn’t speak Malay. But older folk will also tell you that it was during this period that the peranakan expanded as the new arrival married the peranakan, giving rise to Hokkien, Teochew, Hakka, Hainan paranakan variants.
Thanks for the information.
Dual language is a form of education in which students are taught literacy and content in two languages. The majority of dual language programs in the United States teach in English and Spanish, although increasing numbers of programs use a partner language other than Spanish, such as Arabic, Chinese, French, Hawaiian, Japanese, or Korean.
Dual language programs use the partner language for at least half of the instructional day in the elementary years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual_language
The above could be the key to solving the singlish problem.
Thank you skythewood.
I think it is time for PAP regime to reform system to produce better speakers.
Dual language programs use the partner language for at least half of the instructional day in the elementary years.
That may be the solution.
Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:The above could be the key to solving the singlish problem.
but u forgot that our n/o/a level examining authority is cambridge... only mother tongue language exam is marked here locally
Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:Must study how they implement the teaching program, why better than ours.
There is some hope for improvement after all.
Based on what you think they all are better than ours? How sure are you about all these countries ?
Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:Why?
if not, then its complains only... all talk, no actions
elementary years means primary school
if not, then its complains only... all talk, no actions
No talk, no discussion, how action?
Based on what you think they all are better than ours? How sure are you about all these countries ?
I don't see any rojak with Malaysians.