LKY inspires me.
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Originally posted by SPLIT SECOND:
but i said all of u benefitted from his good side. But none of u are suffering that much due to his bad side , or watever u claim to be. U still have food, home and education.
thank you , it is with people like you that PAP survives. PAP loves you, join them, or are you already serving them in your police team? -
i've heard rumours that LKY is a very supersitious man. when he was PM, he went to visit this Feng Shui Master and he was told that he must step down as PM when he reached a certain age. he must not be the "head" of the country or else misfortune, only as an advisor.
so he let GCK to be PM then and now his son to hold his helm. don't know true or not... the Feng Shui Master was said to be very famous in Singapore but died a few years back...
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Originally posted by Chin Eng:
therefore the issue is NOT the praise of LKY per se, but for what he is praised for, am I right?If you think it is right, then it is right. If you think it is wrong then it is wrong. Up to you what you want to think, does not matter if it is a fact or not. I am not to say right or wrong to what you think.
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Originally posted by La Nina:
Hey i don't really understand. What are the bad points of LKY? Overseeing Singapore's politics when he is way past his prime? No welfare for Singaporeans+rising costs of living?
People whine at every single thing. No offence though. Its up to the individual himself and welfare builds over reliance.
What talking you?
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Originally posted by novelltie:
i've heard rumours that LKY is a very supersitious man. when he was PM, he went to visit this Feng Shui Master and he was told that he must step down as PM when he reached a certain age. he must not be the "head" of the country or else misfortune, only as an advisor.
so he let GCK to be PM then and now his son to hold his helm. don't know true or not... the Feng Shui Master was said to be very famous in Singapore but died a few years back...
Allo, he is still heading, he has not given up. -
i would rather say his son always go to him for advices on policies and actions. i don't really see him as the decision maker now, for many new policies are not really his liking like the IR and Night Race...
he looks (to me) more like an old man with tons of experience and no longer have the drive to run the government...
subjective? i agree... but i see his son as the one calling the shots now... the mandate of rule.
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Originally posted by novelltie:
i would rather say his son always go to him for advices on policies and actions. i don't really see him as the decision maker now, for many new policies are not really his liking like the IR and Night Race...
he looks (to me) more like an old man with tons of experience and no longer have the drive to run the government...
subjective? i agree... but i see his son as the one calling the shots now... the mandate of rule.
Whether the son or the father, does not matter, they are from the same family. So it also known as PAP - Papa Anak Party.
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haha, true true... but in my opinion, LKY was truly a great man of his time. he may be unscrupulous with his "iron" fist but still, objectively he founded the modern Singapore with the help from his aides of his time. he is known to be able to command the loyalty of the people with his words and ideas.
for his son, it remains to be seen...
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Originally posted by novelltie:
haha, true true... but in my opinion, LKY was truly a great man of his time. he may be unscrupulous with his "iron" fist but still, objectively he founded the modern Singapore with the help from his aides of his time. he is known to be able to command the loyalty of the people with his words and ideas.
for his son, it remains to be seen...
Give credit to LKY's past contribution. The son is nowhere near to what he did before. The son simply cannot make it. LKY speaks better than the son, he is very eloquent.
But we cannot always base on his past ahievement when we are faced with the reality now.
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Have to agree LKY indeed a very great man of his time....if not for him....i doubt singapore would be what it is today....got to hand it to him sometimes....although his stance on certain issues are too harsh....no matter wat we still owe it to him for wat we have today....
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Right so give this LKY his fuckin medal and have him shot dead and then give the same medal to the executioner.
Easy solution. Right?
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Originally posted by SPLIT SECOND:
we are talking about one man who made our country so successful in 40 years. its due to his acute sharpness, iron fist and shrewd thinking that he did it. I believe we aare talking about an extraordinary man but yet he did not boast about his achievements.persoally he has been an inspiration for me in my daily life dealing with people.
and time again, pls respect the elderly,
HAHAHAHAHA ROFL LMAO
Best piece of shit the World has ever seen since the 1920s- LEE KUAN YEW
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Originally posted by Miracles&Prophecies:
Right so give this LKY his fuckin medal and have him shot dead and then give the same medal to the executioner.
Easy solution. Right?
do you think his death will have any bearing to the future of Singapore? none at all... why even bother?what we, the next generation of Singaporeans is unite and decide what are our main concerns and move ahead together as a unit. put it this way; if we, the masses of Singapore feels that PAP is no longer the right party to rule this country, we will then proceed to have them replaced with the right men and women.
we have the right to rule ourselves with values and rights that we the majority of Singaporeans believe in. if it's just a minority that wants to overthrow the government, first; ask them to convince us that this government is wrong with facts and figures, not just plain accusations. we Singaporeans are not stupid nor dumb. if the truth is there, we will be convinced.
next, please show us the men and women capable of replacing the present governance. show me the "Anwar" of Singapore who can convince the majority's hearts and minds. if all these are not in place, the masses of Singaporeans will still vote for Pay And Pay even for the next few elections.
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He die or not not that important.
What is important is that he should step down and let others take over. stop lingering around as MM, let singapore have true democracy.
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Originally posted by skythewood:
He die or not not that important.
What is important is that he should step down and let others take over. stop lingering around as MM, let singapore have true democracy.
He will never step down. He said retirement means death. Unless he wants to die then he steps down. I believe he can't survive, can't breathe without clinging on to power, authority, tyranny.
For a change in the political scene in Sg, I hope he will be gone soon.
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how do you define true democracy?
DEFINING DEMOCRACY
Government of the People
Democracy may be a word familiar to most, but it is a concept still misunderstood and misused in a time when totalitarian regimes and military dictatorships alike have attempted to claim popular support by pinning democratic labels upon themselves. Yet the power of the democratic idea has also evoked some of history's most profound and moving expressions of human will and intellect: from Pericles in ancient Athens to Vaclav Havel in the modern Czech Republic, from Thomas Jefferson's Declaration of Independence in 1776 to Andrei Sakharov's last speeches in 1989.In the dictionary definition, democracy "is government by the people in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised directly by them or by their elected agents under a free electoral system." In the phrase of Abraham Lincoln, democracy is a government "of the people, by the people, and for the people."
Freedom and democracy are often used interchangeably, but the two are not synonymous. Democracy is indeed a set of ideas and principles about freedom, but it also consists of a set of practices and procedures that have been molded through a long, often tortuous history. In short, democracy is the institutionalization of freedom. For this reason, it is possible to identify the time-tested fundamentals of constitutional government, human rights, and equality before the law that any society must possess to be properly called democratic.
Democracies fall into two basic categories, direct and representative. In a direct democracy, all citizens, without the intermediary of elected or appointed officials, can participate in making public decisions. Such a system is clearly only practical with relatively small numbers of people--in a community organization or tribal council, for example, or the local unit of a labor union, where members can meet in a single room to discuss issues and arrive at decisions by consensus or majority vote. Ancient Athens, the world's first democracy, managed to practice direct democracy with an assembly that may have numbered as many as 5,000 to 6,000 persons--perhaps the maximum number that can physically gather in one place and practice direct democracy.
Modern society, with its size and complexity, offers few opportunities for direct democracy. Even in the northeastern United States, where the New England town meeting is a hallowed tradition, most communities have grown too large for all the residents to gather in a single location and vote directly on issues that affect their lives.
Today, the most common form of democracy, whether for a town of 50,000 or nations of 50 million, is representative democracy, in which citizens elect officials to make political decisions, formulate laws, and administer programs for the public good. In the name of the people, such officials can deliberate on complex public issues in a thoughtful and systematic manner that requires an investment of time and energy that is often impractical for the vast majority of private citizens.
How such officials are elected can vary enormously. On the national level, for example, legislators can be chosen from districts that each elect a single representative. Alternatively, under a system of proportional representation, each political party is represented in the legislature according to its percentage of the total vote nationwide. Provincial and local elections can mirror these national models, or choose their representatives more informally through group consensus instead of elections. Whatever the method used, public officials in a representative democracy hold office in the name of the people and remain accountable to the people for their actions.
Majority Rule and Minority Rights
All democracies are systems in which citizens freely make political decisions by majority rule. But rule by the majority is not necessarily democratic: No one, for example, would call a system fair or just that permitted 51 percent of the population to oppress the remaining 49 percent in the name of the majority. In a democratic society, majority rule must be coupled with guarantees of individual human rights that, in turn, serve to protect the rights of minorities--whether ethnic, religious, or political, or simply the losers in the debate over a piece of controversial legislation. The rights of minorities do not depend upon the goodwill of the majority and cannot be eliminated by majority vote. The rights of minorities are protected because democratic laws and institutions protect the rights of all citizens.Diane Ravitch, scholar, author, and a former assistant U.S. secretary of education, wrote in a paper for an educational seminar in Poland: "When a representative democracy operates in accordance with a constitution that limits the powers of the government and guarantees fundamental rights to all citizens, this form of government is a constitutional democracy. In such a society, the majority rules, and the rights of minorities are protected by law and through the institutionalization of law."
These elements define the fundamental elements of all modern democracies, no matter how varied in history, culture, and economy. Despite their enormous differences as nations and societies, the essential elements of constitutional government--majority rule coupled with individual and minority rights, and the rule of law--can be found in Canada and Costa Rica, France and Botswana, Japan and India.
Democratic Society
Democracy is more than a set of constitutional rules and procedures that determine how a government functions. In a democracy, government is only one element coexisting in a social fabric of many and varied institutions, political parties, organizations, and associations. This diversity is called pluralism, and it assumes that the many organized groups and institutions in a democratic society do not depend upon government for their existence, legitimacy, or authority.Thousands of private organizations operate in a democratic society, some local, some national. Many of them serve a mediating role between individuals and the complex social and governmental institutions of which they are a part, filling roles not given to the government and offering individuals opportunities to exercise their rights and responsibilities as citizens of a democracy.
These groups represent the interests of their members in a variety of ways--by supporting candidates for public office, debating issues, and trying to influence policy decisions. Through such groups, individuals have an avenue for meaningful participation both in government and in their own communities. The examples are many and varied: charitable organizations and churches, environmental and neighborhood groups, business associations and labor unions.
In an authoritarian society, virtually all such organizations would be controlled, licensed, watched, or otherwise accountable to the government. In a democracy, the powers of the government are, by law, clearly defined and sharply limited. As a result, private organizations are free of government control; on the contrary, many of them lobby the government and seek to hold it accountable for its actions. Other groups, concerned with the arts, the practice of religious faith, scholarly research, or other interests, may choose to have little or no contact with the government at all.
In this busy private realm of democratic society, citizens can explore the possibilities of freedom and the responsibilities of self-government--unpressured by the potentially heavy hand of the state.
THE PILLARS OF DEMOCRACY - Sovereignty of the people.
- Government based upon consent of the governed.
- Majority rule.
- Minority rights.
- Guarantee of basic human rights.
- Free and fair elections.
- Equality before the law.
- Due process of law.
- Constitutional limits on government.
- Social, economic, and political pluralism.
- Values of tolerance, pragmatism, cooperation, and compromise.
- Sovereignty of the people.
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Originally posted by SPLIT SECOND:
we are talking about one man who made our country so successful in 40 years. its due to his acute sharpness, iron fist and shrewd thinking that he did it. I believe we aare talking about an extraordinary man but yet he did not boast about his achievements.persoally he has been an inspiration for me in my daily life dealing with people.
and time again, pls respect the elderly,
sound like a "woo woo' of PAP
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Originally posted by Hwaimeng:
woh woh of Pay and pay, singapore police force and the law enforcers (see his thread in Singapore Police Force forum) -- "Don't criticise police and law enforcers".Ha ha ha ha, hur hur hur hur.
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lky , tong suan! lky , tong suan!
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Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:
I agree.
There must be a balanced view.
Cannot only talk about positive side but neglect negative side, or talk about bad don't talk about good.
We must be fair.
I am very kind to Lee Kuan Yew, I give him 60% good, 40% bad.
But if he doesn't die soon, I might adjust it more to the bad part.
he cannot really control when he will die.... actually i don't understand your fixation over when his death will be... in the grand scale of things, how does that affect you???you keep saying we must be fair.... unfortunately you are not very fair in your comments on LKY. fact is, you are no different from those who worships him, except in reverse.
... fact of life is, most of the time we only look at the good side of things of famous people, unless the person is your mortal enemy where then you will only look at the bad side of things.
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Originally posted by Miracles&Prophecies:
Right so give this LKY his fuckin medal and have him shot dead and then give the same medal to the executioner.
Easy solution. Right?
i am sure your priest or pastor will be extremely please with your choice of words.