Has Singapore been cheated?
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Originally posted by lionnoisy:
But Dr. Tim Harper is in Cambridge,not in ''In the US, Canada and HK,''!!
i cant read CSJ 's mind.I dunt know he called him as Professor
as mark of respect or want to make Professor as more credible.
I dunt have a good impression on CSJ.
Read this then u know my feeling:
http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/320374
CSJ tell u the truths--the half truths
25 postsDr. CSJ is educated in a US university.
In some commonwealth countries, a reader is known as associate professor, in which case he is usually addressed as professor and his academic duties are the same as a professor. It's a matter of time that a Reader gets promoted to the next rank, Professor.
No, Dr. CSJ is telling half truths. It's the truth.
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Originally posted by ivebeenhad:
Until today you are unable to comprehend the meaning of the ba chor mee story, just like our beloved PM.
why dont you ttell PAP to PUT CCTV everywhere during the next GE so that they can catch CSJ make any small mistake, then use it as their manifesto when contesting in same grc as him. focus on his damn bloody mistakes, flash it all over the gahmen controlled media.
James Gomez incident told me many people cannot tell white
from black.He claimed he had submitted the form,but in fact he did not.
Then he accused the staff lost his form etc.
He was very smart by showing his form to TV crews before
they left Election Dept office.I saw in TV he putted out the form.
He wrongly accused ED staff and u guys says is small matter.
When u are wrongly accused ,is it a small matter?
Tell me what would happen if there is no CCTV?
Have Gomez searched his briefcase after the staff said
they had not received the form?How big is his brief case?
He is a liar!!A good actor!!
Every one will make mistake.But dunt frame up junior staff.
This incident is 1000 times worse than CSJ $17 billions
loan claim to Indonesia.
Gomez in previous election also filled the wrong form.
He is now a PhD candidate.Worker Party
Low Thia Khiang's English is much worse than Gomez
and knows how to fill the right form and submit in right manner!
I am wondering if Gomez was really want to run for these two
elections .Or he just like PRC 110 meter Liu Xiang-
----just appeared in track and gave up!!!
Good actor---just appeared in track and gave up!!
Next time u go to coffee shop to eat.u are accused not pay up
but in fact ,u already paid.How will u feel?
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hmm guy wearing those fbt's a bit wierd ah =S
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Originally posted by ivebeenhad:
Until today you are unable to comprehend the meaning of the ba chor mee story, just like our beloved PM.
why dont you ttell PAP to PUT CCTV everywhere during the next GE so that they can catch CSJ make any small mistake, then use it as their manifesto when contesting in same grc as him. focus on his damn bloody mistakes, flash it all over the gahmen controlled media.
the point is: the CCTV was not place to catch anyone on purpose. all goverment offices have CCTV installed as a security measure.
if gomez is caught, then he is outright stupid.
i have heard from people who went to school with him that he is an incorrigible egomaniac.
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Originally posted by googoomuck:
In the US, Canada and HK, the term professor is used as a form of address for any lecturer or researcher employed by a college or university, regardless of rank.
Anyone who feels that he's 'cheated' by Dr. CSJ addressing a Reader as Professor, is attempting to discredit Dr. CSJ yet again.
It is not incorrect to address Dr. Tim Harper as professor. It's a mark of respect.
well, i agree. i can't imagine addressing any uni lecturer as "reader". it sounds so weird.
"Reader Harper, i have a question to clarify with you. ......?" sounds strange right?
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Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:
Has Singapore been cheated?
Wednesday, 03 September 2008
Singapore Democrats
Dr Chee Soon Juan launched his new book A Nation Cheated on 31 Aug 08 during which he spoke to the more than 150 guests. Part I of the speech is reproduced below. The book is available at Kinokuniya Bookstore at Takashimaya Shopping Centre. You can also purchase a copy by emailing [email protected] .When I was in jail in 2006, I re-read the book Comet In Our Sky, a compilation of essays written by friends and associates of the late Lim Chin Siong. I will assume most of you here know Lim Chin Siong and will not endeavour to go into detail how he was seen by the majority of Singaporeans as the natural leader of our then fledgling republic in the 1950s and 60s, other than to say that his charisma and compassionate style of leadership won the hearts and minds of many.
The book includes a chapter written by Professor of Southeast Asian Studies, Terence Harper, from Cambridge University. Professor Harper documented his research after poring through bundles of de-classified papers, memos, letters, etc. written by Britsh colonial officials during the turbulent period leading up to Singapore's independence.
The picture that emerged was one not quite the story that I heard and read growing up. In a nutshell, the Professor's account was that the people of Singapore wanted Lim Chin Siong as their leader but the British would not allow it and wanted Lee Kuan Yew instead.
So we have two versions of what happened: one written written by a disinterested, third-party academic and based on verifiable de-classifed papers, and the other by Lee Kuan Yew who still has vested personal interests in telling these events. I do not think I would be far wrong if I say that the majority of people would look to the former for a more accurate and objective account of that part of history.
This is what I tried to do in the first part of A Nation Cheated, that is, summarise Professor Harper's research finding's.
But my nerves are rubbed raw when I keep hearing Lee Kuan Yew, who came to power backed by the colonialists, rant about how the West should not foist its system on an Asian people, meaning us. Somehow the democratic practices that allowed Lee Kuan Yew to become prime minister suddenly become Western and not suited for us Singaporeans.
Today the propaganda continues unabated, that Singaporeans are not interest in human rights and democracy. I will come to this subject in a moment and show you how this lie has now been exposed.
For now, let me dwell a little on the notion that things have worked worked wonderfully for Singaporeans.
Whether it is our CPF or healthcare costs or wages or our financial reserves, I have presented evidence in the book to show how things are not quite what they seem. I have tried to stay away from polemics especially in part two of the book and concentrated on putting together the data from alternative sources to make my case. I will leave it to you the reader to decide for yourself whether I have done my job or not.
To illustrate what I really set out to say in this book, I want to relate a story. It is about a man whom I met when I went for my jog one morning. He is in his mid-seventies and works for the town council as a cleaner. He starts work at 7 am and knocks off at about one or two in the afternoon depending on how much work there is that day. He works six days a week. His salary? $400 a month.
When he was a young man in his 20s, he was told that if he just stayed disciplined, didn't support independent unions, didn't clamour for his rights and trusted the PAP to govern in his best interest, he would be better off. He did that, or at least he wasn't given a choice.
Today, he is told that he must not think of retiring. In fact he is told that he needs to work for less pay. He is told that part of his savings is in Merill Lynch and in about 15 to 20 years, he should be able to start seeing returns on the investment, that is if the bank doesn't go belly up first.
Doesn't the word "cheated" come to mind?
This old man's story is not an aberration. Statistics tell us that our poorest segment of society continue to see their wages shrink. Fifty percent of the people haven't seen their incomes grow over the past ten years.
But then our ministers increased the salaries in 2007 by a heart-stopping 85 percent. The president is paid $4 million a year, for what no one quite knows. The Senior Minister and Minister Mentor are also paid close to that amount, again for what no one quite understands. The Prime Minister is paid $3.8 million which works out to be about $10,000 a day.
They tell you that they must be amply rewarded for building such a fine country. Really? Let's see what Singaporeans think:- Despite having gone through national education at school, 37 percent of Singaporean youths say they are not patriotic. More than 50 percent want to emigrate overseas if given a chance. (Channel News Asia, 17 January 2007)
- Another survey of older Singaporeans showed that two-thirds said they have considered retiring in another country. (Straits Times, 20 August 2008)
- A few weeks ago, the Government confirmed that an average of 1,000 Singaporeans had given up their citizenship annually over the last three years. (Asia Times, 21 August 2008)
Have you thought of this number before, ladies and gentlemen? These are astounding figures. I cannot think of another country where after 50 years of uninterrupted rule, we produce a nation where its people profess no love for it and can't wait to get out?
Tell me, hand on heart, that you still think that the PAP has governed in the interest of Singapore and Singaporeans. Tell me that we have not been cheated.
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reply to angel7030:
did that man take steps so improve his skills so that he can get a better job?
even not knowing to read and write is no excuse. it can be learned. if kids can learn, why not adults.
do u think singapore is in a standstill and not getting vibrant and becoming a city to attract foreign investors. hasnt singapore been getting better as a city in general, maybe as it economically and with the plans to create jobs and educate the workforce. is singapore's gdp declining to 3rd world's economy.
if the ministers are doing steps to make singapore stronger economically, then arent they doing something good. didnt they help to bring progress to singapore. so reward them. they get increased salary.
why is the man just there at that job and not getting a better one? who is to blame? the government? the govt is our big momma? we;re too dependent on our govt for every tiny weeny money prob?
wow.
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Originally posted by dragee:
reply to angel7030:
did that man take steps so improve his skills so that he can get a better job?
even not knowing to read and write is no excuse. it can be learned. if kids can learn, why not adults.
do u think singapore is in a standstill and not getting vibrant and becoming a city to attract foreign investors. hasnt singapore been getting better as a city in general, maybe as it economically and with the plans to create jobs and educate the workforce. is singapore's gdp declining to 3rd world's economy.
if the ministers are doing steps to make singapore stronger economically, then arent they doing something good. didnt they help to bring progress to singapore. so reward them. they get increased salary.
why is the man just there at that job and not getting a better one? who is to blame? the government? the govt is our big momma? we;re too dependent on our govt for every tiny weeny money prob?
wow.
He did improved himself, get more education and skills, but then, instead of giving him a high raise, he gets only a tiny weeny increment, and worst, get exploited further for his knowledge and skills by bosses who only knows how to sit down and think of cutting his paid further so as to increase profits.
wow! 85% increment, highest paid govts and you tell me not to depend on them. Then they can shakelegs and laugh at us
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who is he?
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Originally posted by dragee:
who is he?
The doctor that sell Muah Chee -
u mean the "well known" opposition party member who has a "well known" sister too?
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Well, even Arsene Wenger is called The Professor.
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guys, meet doctor J, julius erving
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Originally posted by lionnoisy:
If he cannot distinguish a Professor or Reader,how can we trust him
Lionnoisy: I think you are confused over the term Reader. The UK and the USA has different academic rank structures and terminology. Singapore follows the USA academic rank system. A Reader is equivalent to Associate Professor (half professor), so Dr Chee is right to describe Dr Harper as a professor, although Dr Harper isn't a full professor at University of Cambridge at the moment.
Btw the posts here seem to indicate some of you guys are blatantly ignorant.
The academic ranks in the UK are as follow:
1. Lecturer
2. Senior Lecturer
3. Reader
4. Professor
5. Professor EmeritusThe holders of these ranks are required to teach and conduct research. Should an academic decides to give up teaching responsibility, he will be reverted to a Research Associate or Research Fellow depending on his seniority and research credential at the university.