Sg Locals flowing Out
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Originally posted by eagle:
Not really pro or against. I'm neutral.
I'm against PRCs who are damn rude and high and arrogant, especially if their skills are not that high at all.
But I'm pro PRCs for the humble, nice ones who integrated themselves very very well into the Singaporean society. I do have nice PRC friends who are very very humble and well integrated into our society. But these are normally from the southern part of China, where their accent is more similar to ours cuz there's where most of our ancestors come from ;)
Of course, there are certain ones from the northern part of China who are polite as well, and try their best to make friends with many Singaporeans (and the different races as well) instead of always grouping with their PRC friends. I have this friend who came from near Mongol, who has another Malay friend as one of his very good friends.The same goes for any other foreigners, not just PRCs. I have had experience with Bangla workers who were extremely helpful and polite. But I have friends who had experience with damn rude ang mohs, and these are pple who we will not welcome at all. If you go to another host country, you don't go there and be rude to their people. It's only basic courtesy.
Uncle, when u said you r pro PRC, you referring to the PRC gals or guys?? I asked many Uncles in my Joo Chiat Town, most are PRo PRC gals but Anti Sg Gals..why ar?? -
Originally posted by angel7030:
Uncle, when u said you r pro PRC, you referring to the PRC gals or guys?? I asked many Uncles in my Joo Chiat Town, most are PRo PRC gals but Anti Sg Gals..why ar??both la
I not uncle enough yet. At most your kor kor only
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Originally posted by eagle:
both la
I not uncle enough yet. At most your kor kor only
kor kor eagle, u also like PRC guys, hmmm..why most of them talk very loud, is there a sound high decibel problem in China?? And if you go near, you can feel their saliva splurrin out...eekkkk yak. I dun really like them, i still prefer Jap, Singapore and korean guys -
kor kor means can be yr potential bf mah
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Originally posted by 4sg:
kor kor means can be yr potential bf mah
kor kor means cork cork in english, how can cork head be my bf?? -
Originally posted by angel7030:
kor kor eagle, u also like PRC guys, hmmm..why most of them talk very loud, is there a sound high decibel problem in China?? And if you go near, you can feel their saliva splurrin out...eekkkk yak. I dun really like them, i still prefer Jap, Singapore and korean guysdunno leh...
At least those I know personally, don't talk loud and don't have saliva coming out de.
btw, there are also some (very little) Singaporean guys who talk very loud, got saliva coming out, and sweat a lot till everytime got BO one... ;)
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Wah this nick , Eagle i haven seen for a long time ,
The china constrution ppl at my workplace are very friendly ppl.. Maybe cos there are just general workers.
The ones with the problems ar the farking malaysian`s / Esp malaysian indian!!!
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Originally posted by gUms:
INSIGHT DOWN SOUTH
By SEAH CHIANG NEE
While Singapore has been successful in luring many of the brightest brains in the region, more and more of its own young professionals want out.
A BAFFLING aspect of affluent Singapore, with all its economic finery, is the large – and growing – exodus of its citizens over the past 10 years.
While the hot economy has attracted more than a million foreigners to its shores, its own citizens have been leaving in record numbers to settle down abroad.
Their exit seemed to have taken on a new life in recent years, ironically when the economic growth and the job market were at their best.
In fact, one survey has placed Singapore’s outflow at 26.11 migrants per 1,000 citizens – the second highest in the world. Only Timor Leste (51.07) fares worse.
The explanation is, of course, globalisation, the new borderless economy, which is offering more job options for skilled Singaporeans who want a better life in bigger countries.But the reason doesn’t end there.
Other comparable city-populations have similarly been affected, but Singapore seems to have been hit hardest of all.
The explanation must involve a higher non-economic priority strong enough to propel Singaporeans away from a stable, comfortable living towards the uncertainties of a new life elsewhere.
Yet this is what is happening, as new statistics have shown.
More educated Singaporeans – many taking their children with them – are leaving or are planning to leave their country, which is itself a traditional haven for outsiders fleeing from trouble.
A recent indication of the scope of the dilemma was the rising number of Singaporeans who asked for a document needed to apply for permanent residency overseas.It has exceeded 1,000 a month to reach 12,707 last year from 4,996 in 1998, or a rise of 170% over 10 years, said Home Affairs Minister Wong Kan Seng.
These people, over the age of 16, could be leaving for good, but they also included students and businessmen, who may eventually return.
In 10 years, they totalled 97,990 Singaporeans (a far greater number if children were included).
The government says about 140,000 Singaporeans are studying, working or in business in foreign countries, which by itself is not a bad thing, given Singapore’s global ambitions. The trouble is many of them may not return.
All the current statistics point to an upward emigration among Singaporeans who apply for PR or citizenship abroad. Some of the PRs, it is feared, may keep their citizenship but have no intention of returning home.
“After coming back, I find that other countries have much more to offer than Singapore, which is very boring,one youth remarked.
The number of Singaporeans who gave up their citizenship, Wong said, averaged 1,000 a year in the last three years.
Other negative trends that reflect the tenuous link between many citizens and their country are:
Two-thirds of Singaporeans (aged 21-34) said in a survey that they had considered retiring in another country with a slower pace of life and lower cost of living.
Among youths (15-29 years of age), 53% are considering emigration. Despite having gone through national education, 37% say they are not patriotic. (Indian youths are the most ready to emigrate – at 67%, compared with 60% of Malays and 49% of Chinese).
Six out of 10 undergraduates said they wanted to go abroad to live or work, mostly to enjoy a higher quality of life with less stress.
An ACNielsen poll showed 21% of Singaporeans, mainly professionals, were considering emigration, half opting for Australia and New Zealand.
For this small state with a short history, the steady exit is not just a ‘numbers’ problem which can be – and is being – resolved by substituting Singaporeans with foreigners.
It has a serious security dimension, since the island is defended by its own reservist soldiers after a two-year mandatory national service (NS).
Fewer true-blue Singaporeans means fewer soldiers because permanent residents are not required to serve NS (only their 18-year-old sons are).
A bigger impediment to nation-building is the looser physical bond between today’s generation of Singaporeans and their country. Nearly half of them do not think they need to reside here to be emotionally rooted to the country.
It is estimated that half the Singaporeans who annually apply for foreign PRs – 6,000 to 7,000 – eventually settle down overseas.
The brain drain is serious. On a lighter note, more China-citizens are coming into the country, if you get what I mean.
Even if 0.5% of its brightest minds were to leave, it would hit Singapore hard, said Senior Minister Goh Chok Tong.
“These are bright young people, children of very well-educated Singaporeans. They study overseas now, and the very good ones are right away green harvested by companies,” Goh said.
So why is Asia’s second wealthiest state losing its youths at a higher rate than its poorer neighbours?
“Many Singaporeans leave because of the stifling atmosphere of the country and the political and intellectual lock-step enforced by the government,” said one analyst.
“It would reverse if the government would begin to democratise, and to allow its people to develop their talents – in Singapore, not abroad.” And I thought S'pore is a democratic country, what am I missing?
Importing large numbers of migrants from China and India, most of whom treat it as a study or transit point, is not a solution.
Minister Mentor Lee Kuan Yew once admitted: “They come in here, they get an English education ? and they're off to America.”
However, he seems resigned to it. Recently he told his political party youth members: “As a government, and personally for me and my colleagues, my responsibility is to look after those who cannot migrate.” With one-third of the population now making up of foreigners, that task is becoming harder to achieve.<!-- / message --><!-- sig --> -
SUMMARY----WRONG INFO in the above posting.Corrections:-------SG net gain in migration,not loss------ the figures applying for Certificate of NoCriminal Records include PR and Foreigners...first ,pl quote your sources is The Star
http://thestar.com.my/columnists/story.asp?file=/2008/9/6/columnists/insightdownsouth/22243519&sec=Insight%20Down%20South
.contentscan gUms pl quote sources of your valuable quoteand verify before u quote.Have u read news,Singapore get NET people gain due toout going and incoming migration!!So,how can SG is the second worst in the world in losing people?The Star from Malaysia,well........U be the judge lah.Dr Chee Soon Juan ,in his yoursdb.org web site,also mentioned thesurvey below.He quoted from a Professor or Doctor i cannotremember.BUT I find out both of them misinterpret the CIA Worldbook info.I have said u are what u quote,Dr Chee Soon Juan.U just quote without vertfying and thinking,u pl Dunt think anyone with the title Doctor is 100% correct.pl note CIA has since amended the figure after i pointed out.may be CIA monitored this forum---incl my postinghttps://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/sn.html
An excess of persons entering the country is referred to as net immigration (e.g., 3.56 migrants/1,000 population);
Net migration rate:
6.88 migrant(s)/1,000 population (2008 est.)The figures applying Certifcate for No Criminal Recordsinclude----citizens-----PR-----other foreigners(WP<EP<S pass,students,DP etc) -
he big joke ''26.11 migrants per 1,000 citizens'' net outflowing
from Singapore ,quoted in opening post,most likely came from Chee Soon Juan
copy and paste posting:
http://www.singaporedemocrat.org/articlesgimmigration1.html
I had a strong sense of trouble lurking beneath the surface when a Singaporean colleague recently wrote me about the growing numbers of Chinese from the People's Republic who are coming to Singapore. The reason: to fill jobs left vacant as native born Singaporeans continue to emigrate at what is perhaps the second highest rate in the world (an estimated 26.11 per thousand, second only to East Timor.)
After i pointed out ,CIA has since amended the figure to
Net migration rate:
6.88 migrant(s)/1,000 population (2008 est.)http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/303641
l wrote there
Thats is how 85,500 computed.
Pl note that CIA has just amended 26.11 per 1000 to ''7.98 migrant(s)/1,000 population (2007 est.)''
With the latest figure fr CIA,the resultant migration figure,net gain,
is 36,000.
FYI.there are immgration 100,000 to SG in 2005 and 2006 a year.further info
SG 85,500 emigrate a year?
77 postshttp://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/302933?page=1Cheers ,Sg is growing in population and we have lowestInfant mortality rate!!
Infant mortality rateInfant mortality ratehttps://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2091rank.html
http://www.singstat.gov.sg/stats/themes/people/hist/popn.html
DateTotal Population
('000)Singapore Residents
('000)20024,176.03,382.920034,114.83,366.920044,166.73,413.320054,265.83,467.820064,401.43,525.920074,588.63,583.1vvv