Crime rate in Victoria,10 times more than SG per 100,000 pax
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lion noist answer under line after ''----''
1) you assume the figure of ppl leaving sg. which makes an ass out of u and me.-----answer:no need to assume.Just check the ICA'' No criminal certificate'' then u know.
2) Thailand. You're obviously just a toad in a well.
3) As far as education fee is concern, why don't you check it up yourself, since you're so good at checking up on OZ? remember to use ratio of pay in sg to uni fee and ratio of pay in aust to uni fee.----U pay less,then tax payers
pay more.How?
** why should i care about other country's citizens when at home we're already having problems? Shouldn't my country, Singapore comes first?
and lastly, you seems to have missed out on: this post dated 03/05/2009 5:06am
So you're agreeing with me? but yet playing the number game? Do OZ have workers who don't get their pay on time? and have protest in their M.O.M(i don't know what it is called in OZ).?---Are u sure no such things happen in Oz?
Do OZ citizens need to starve when they're out of Job?----who need to starve in SG?
Do OZ citizens get priority compared to foreigners?---SG is a market economy.
Market force counts.
Do OZ citizens male citizens need to spend 2 years of cheap labours?----
OMG?without cheap labours,flag in Istana will be changed overnight,
Singaporean men will be killed,women raped and children starved to death,like during Japanese Occupation.Do u counts on UN or USA to save our ass?
Do u know every country,medium to very big countries,want to control
Strait of Singapore.If u control this Strait,u control half of China,
Japan,Korea and Taiwan.Why---oil!!So,SG is like a internatioal police
patrolling this Strait,make sure no big country can control thus Strait
and open to all countries.I think i tell u more in military Nuts....
Do OZ citizens need to be pwned so badly by their government telling them that their wages is too high and thus uncompetitive?-------PAP better tell us earlier.
Or else SG become another GM,super high cost products and no one buy!!
etc etc....
link: http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/330341?page=16
and by the way, geylang in sg is not a very safe place too.(this is lilian 84)
**Do you know that Singapore is artificially increasing her population via import of foreigners? You've been pwned. Do you know why? let me show you a example:
sg population year 2001: 1,000,000 no. of leavers: 10,000 new citizen: 30,000
for every 10,000 that leaves singapore, 30,000 more are imported to replace and increase the populations. Thus, It will appears that each year, there's lesser and lesser ppl leaving sg. I hope it is not so complicated for your brain to absorb.----
Do u know their are 2 kinds of FT.1 is those working here who contribute
income tax and in turn create profits tax for SG.another is those customers here,like students and medicial tourists.
One FT family here need to rent a HDB flat to a landed house.
In turn,it can save a owner from defaulting paying instalment.
One foreign student can increase a HDB family income
by providing Foods and lodging to the student....How come u just see the down
side of more population here.Do u want SG become Detroit!!
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TO LIONNOISY:
IMMIGRATION ISNT MEANT FOR ALL PEOPLE.IF U KEEP ON TALKING LIKE THAT ON OZ...THEN MALAYSIA JB HOW???OZ IS DIFFERENT,..U CAN BUY AN AUTOMATIC PISTOL FROM A SHOP N MODIFY IT SO IT CAN GO THRU 20 PEOPLE STANDING IN A STRAIGHT LINE.
AND WHY U SO FRIGHTENED OF GANGSTERS???U SCARED THEY RAPE YOU IS IT??THEY ONLY ATTACK PEOPLE WHO GET CLOSE TO THEM.JUST LIKE GREAT WHITE SHARK...U SWIM IN SEA...N GO NEAR SHARK...U SURE GET EATEN UP!
SO.....U EITHER GET BIG FAT HARPOON TO KILL SHARK........OR BE KILLED BY SHARK IF U DONT PREPARE....OR SIMPLY STAY AWAY FROM THEM AND SURF INTERNET.
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TO LIONNOISY:
MAYBE FROM YER DATA IT INDICATES THAT 90% OF THE BEST ADULT SINGAPOREANS HAVE LEFT SINGAPORE ALREADY.THATS WHEN THERES LESS N LESS LEAVING SPORE NOW!ONLY KIDS OR 20 YR OLDS WHO WILL IMMIGRATE IN FUTURE THAT WILL ADD TO THE DATA IN A DECADE OR SO LATER.
I DUN THINK THE OZ LIKE SPORE AFTER STAYIN HERE FER A FEW YEARS.AFTER A FEW YEARS OZ PEOPLE ALSO RUN AWAY FROM SPORE!!FOOD IS LAUYA TO THEM AND EXPENSIVE ESPECIALLY RAW BEEF ETC.
FOREIGN TALENTS COME......BUT WHAT IS IN IT FOR ME?WE TALK ABOUT HOW GOOD FOREIGN TALENTS ARE WHEN I FIND THE REWARDS ARE WORTH IT TO ME!
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Originally posted by lionnoisy:
lion noist answer under line after ''----''
1) you assume the figure of ppl leaving sg. which makes an ass out of u and me.-----answer:no need to assume.Just check the ICA'' No criminal certificate'' then u know.
2) Thailand. You're obviously just a toad in a well.
3) As far as education fee is concern, why don't you check it up yourself, since you're so good at checking up on OZ? remember to use ratio of pay in sg to uni fee and ratio of pay in aust to uni fee.----U pay less,then tax payers
pay more.How?
** why should i care about other country's citizens when at home we're already having problems? Shouldn't my country, Singapore comes first?
and lastly, you seems to have missed out on: this post dated 03/05/2009 5:06am
4) So you're agreeing with me? but yet playing the number game? Do OZ have workers who don't get their pay on time? and have protest in their M.O.M(i don't know what it is called in OZ).?---Are u sure no such things happen in Oz?
5) Do OZ citizens need to starve when they're out of Job?----who need to starve in SG?
6) Do OZ citizens get priority compared to foreigners?---SG is a market economy.
Market force counts.
Do OZ citizens male citizens need to spend 2 years of cheap labours?----
7) OMG?without cheap labours,flag in Istana will be changed overnight,
Singaporean men will be killed,women raped and children starved to death,like during Japanese Occupation.Do u counts on UN or USA to save our ass?
Do u know every country,medium to very big countries,want to control
Strait of Singapore.If u control this Strait,u control half of China,
Japan,Korea and Taiwan.Why---oil!!So,SG is like a internatioal police
patrolling this Strait,make sure no big country can control thus Strait
and open to all countries.I think i tell u more in military Nuts....
8) Do OZ citizens need to be pwned so badly by their government telling them that their wages is too high and thus uncompetitive?-------PAP better tell us earlier.
Or else SG become another GM,super high cost products and no one buy!!
etc etc....
link: http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/330341?page=16
and by the way, geylang in sg is not a very safe place too.(this is lilian 84)
**Do you know that Singapore is artificially increasing her population via import of foreigners? You've been pwned. Do you know why? let me show you a example:
sg population year 2001: 1,000,000 no. of leavers: 10,000 new citizen: 30,000
for every 10,000 that leaves singapore, 30,000 more are imported to replace and increase the populations. Thus, It will appears that each year, there's lesser and lesser ppl leaving sg. I hope it is not so complicated for your brain to absorb.----
Do u know their are 2 kinds of FT.1 is those working here who contribute
income tax and in turn create profits tax for SG.another is those customers here,like students and medicial tourists.
One FT family here need to rent a HDB flat to a landed house.
In turn,it can save a owner from defaulting paying instalment.
One foreign student can increase a HDB family income
by providing Foods and lodging to the student....How come u just see the down
side of more population here.Do u want SG become Detroit!!
1) I'm saying that you assume. Do you agree with it? just for recap, this is your sentense: "1) SG-- 1) assume 5000 leaving,ie 1515 per million citizen.So??"
2) You're pwned here.
3) In Singapore, uni fee up, tax payer also pay more. what's the logic behind your statement?
4) Then again, how sure are you?
5) It's always on the newspaper. YOU DON'T READ? or you can't read?
6) Don't crap around with me. What market force you talk about in sg??????
7) So you're agreeing with me that serving army is a form of cheap labour? Let's get the facts right, from the way you talk, I'm 100% certain that you've not been through the army in Singapore. You don't know that 50% of the time is wasted on waiting. You also don't know that most of the work is paper work. You don't know anything about Army. So you have no rights to tell me that you're going to tell me anything about Army, CAUSE I'VE BEEN THROUGH IT!!!!!!
8) What talking you? when pay is not in-line with cost of living??? When cost of living goes up, but salary remains the same or lower. so what are you suggesting? anyway, cost of living is government controlled.
9) IN CASE YOU DIDN'T KNOW, THEY'RE NOT PART OF THE POPULATION AND CONTRIBUTES NOTHING TO THIS POST.
My statement. Which part of it mentioned FT?
"sg population year 2001: 1,000,000 no. of leavers: 10,000 new citizen: 30,000"
Despite being borned with a fully functional brain some ppl just refuse to use their brain to think? what good is a brain if that brain can't think? just throw it away?? :D
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Originally posted by leilan84:
1) I'm saying that you assume. Do you agree with it? just for recap, this is your sentense: "1) SG-- 1) assume 5000 leaving,ie 1515 per million citizen.So??"
2) You're pwned here.
3) In Singapore, uni fee up, tax payer also pay more. what's the logic behind your statement?
4) Then again, how sure are you?
5) It's always on the newspaper. YOU DON'T READ? or you can't read?
6) Don't crap around with me. What market force you talk about in sg??????
7) So you're agreeing with me that serving army is a form of cheap labour? Let's get the facts right, from the way you talk, I'm 100% certain that you've not been through the army in Singapore. You don't know that 50% of the time is wasted on waiting. You also don't know that most of the work is paper work. You don't know anything about Army. So you have no rights to tell me that you're going to tell me anything about Army, CAUSE I'VE BEEN THROUGH IT!!!!!!
8) What talking you? when pay is not in-line with cost of living??? When cost of living goes up, but salary remains the same or lower. so what are you suggesting? anyway, cost of living is government controlled.
9) IN CASE YOU DIDN'T KNOW, THEY'RE NOT PART OF THE POPULATION AND CONTRIBUTES NOTHING TO THIS POST.
My statement. Which part of it mentioned FT?
"sg population year 2001: 1,000,000 no. of leavers: 10,000 new citizen: 30,000"
Despite being borned with a fully functional brain some ppl just refuse to use their brain to think? what good is a brain if that brain can't think? just throw it away?? :D
well well well.a bright brain here wo.
ok ok .where r u staying now?if u are not in SG,then i salute u.
becos u put you walk your words.
If u still in SG.May I ask why?Too young?Have to take care family?
Kept by bond?
2.The problems in SG just like in other places,incl Oz.We have problems which
Oz dunt have.Or vice versa.
3.If u want to chz SG.There are two ways.Ballots or bullets.
4.NS life,to some,is a waste of time.I agree.But there is no perfect policy
in life.To be fair,every eligible boy must serve NS,at some costs.
Why dunt u consider turn this 2 year waste into
productive years.Say try to study during the free time,learn somethings etc.
Just learn a good type writing will help u a lot in the future.
I mean type without looking at key board.Learn a new language etc
u have to adapt to life....
4A.Paper work---Do u know how to set priority in doing paper work,
suppose u have a 20 cm think paper work waiting for u?
Do u konw IMPORTANT & URGENT COMBINATION?
There are 4 types.search google to train your self to be a
top paper worker.U need this skill when u are in uni or
working.
4.Do we need NS?
If SAF (incl NSF,Regular & NS Op) is not strong enough,
anyone one just call Istana anytime and demand any things.
''Good morning,Mr Prime Minister.I am sorry to disturb you
in this wee hours.U know i need xx billions in Infrastructure Development.
i happen to know u have xx billions in xx company.Can u transfer
to this acct in 12 hours.Or else my gun boats needs some parctice....''
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Our frens in this forum are very smart.they know wat is right or wrong.
I got plenty of of interest in thread like
Oz girl gang raped twice.Rapists jailed/probatin aft AG appeal--
9 men released aft plead guilty gang raped aged 10
each of the above got over 6000 hits,not bad for the low traffic forums
like SC!!
Now,i invite u guys to discuss if the judge is right to discharge a
teenager on the reasons of ''TECHNICAL RAPE MORE ON AN ADOLESCENT ERROR..."
The victim girl told boy ''NO''.But the boy pressed on....
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,25691411-661,00.html
Fury as 'adolescent error' boy walks free
<!-- Split page --> <!-- Lead Content Panel -->Fiona Hudson
June 26, 2009 12:00am
EXCLUSIVE: A MAGISTRATE is under fire for letting a teenage rapist go free and declaring the boy's crime "an adolescent error".
Experienced judge Rowan McIndoe found the 16-year-old had sex with a girl without her consent, but labelled it "a technical rape".
Victims' groups said the decision was offensive, and warned it sent a confusing message to young men.
A Supreme Court judge who reviewed the ruling on appeal last week said the magistrate's words were "at the very least unfortunate".
"There is no such thing as a technical rape. Rape is a serious criminal offence," Justice Beach said.
He dismissed an appeal by the boy's lawyers and ruled a rape conviction should stand.
The sex assault occurred in 2007 when the girl - then 17 - visited the boy, whom she once went out with for about two months.
After watching TV, she got into bed with him and they kissed and performed other consensual acts until he forced himself on her.
She gave evidence she told him to stop and get off and said "he kept having sex with me after I'd said I didn't want to".
In a police interview tendered to the magistrate, the boy admitted hearing the girl object. "She said - she did say, 'No', but like very quietly," he told police.
Later in the interview, he added: "But like, she didn't push me off or anything."
He changed his evidence in court, but Magistrate McIndoe said the victim was "a most persuasive witness" and accepted her account of events.
"And I think there is no doubt the evidence . . . by the prosecution establishes as fact that there was absence of consent," he said.
Having found the charge proved in March last year, Mr McIndoe discharged the matter the following day. The court register records the order as: "Defendant discharged. Other reasons: A technical rape more an adolescent error . . ."
The order would likely have stayed hidden behind secrecy laws shielding Children's Court cases if not for last week's Supreme Court appeal judgment.
Victorian Centres Against Sexual Assault convener Karen Hogan said the magistrate's comments were disappointing.
"If someone says no, it means no. Rape is rape," she said. "(The boy) has committed an offence and the judge has said, 'yes, you have, but we'll ignore it'. What does that say to the victim?"
National Association of Services Against Sexual Violence chair Karen Willis said there was no such thing as "a technical rape".
"I think the average 16-year-old understands no. It's not an error," she said.
"If he got drunk and drove his car into people, would that be a mistake too?"
Mr McIndoe was appointed a magistrate in the 1980s.
GGGG
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lionnoisy:
haiya,,,,why like that?actually its more than 2 years of national service.the average sporean actually serves 365 days of which 200 days/year are forced allocated for athelete remedial trainings and reservist trainings!failure to turn up for any of them is liable to jail and fine!like that .....who wants to protect spore???its only people like me who will fight for spore with my life even though they have wronged me.....because i want to see god faster and i thirst for human blood and flesh!other than that...i dun see any reason for being in spore.why u fight for spore??are u like me?
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national service is up to 40-45 years old for sporeans,not just 2 years.
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to lionnoisy:
as you stay complaining bout oz n how good spore has rewarded u.....i have started designing and building my scaled down 10 men military submarine by myself.the submarine is a replica of HMS VANGUARD.
IM BLESSED BY FACT THAT I HAVE NEVER STOPPED LEARNING AND UNLEARNING ALL TECHNICAL ASPECTS EVEN WHEN I FINISHED STUDYING......THESE TECH ASPECTS CANT EVEN BE FOUND IN THE BEST SCHOOLS N UNIVERSITIES IN THE WORLD.MORE LIKE TRADE SECRETS THAT I INVENTED N DISCOVERED.
I KNOW U ARE TRYING TO CONSOLE YERSELF THAT SPORE IS GOOD LEFT N RIGHT,,,,,,,,,,,,BUT......TRUTH IS I CANT GET ANYTHING TO BUILD AS ALL THE MAJOR SUPPLIERS FOR MY PARTICULAR PROJECTS HAVE VANISHED FROM SPORE.....LEFT ONLY 1 SUPPLIER NOW....USED TO BE 5 ....>>>10 YEARS AGO.
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fyi.. lionnoisy is NOT a singaporean.
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Originally posted by tERMINATOR20000000:
national service is up to 40-45 years old for sporeans,not just 2 years.
Ya.Therefore ,we have a strong force of 350,000
----standing force 75,000(NSF,Regular)
__Op Ready NS---270,000.
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I have said many times.Staying in any country is like a dinner menu.
Value for money.U cant expect a 70 cent ice cream in Raffles Hotel .
If u stay in Oz,u just take all the good and not so good itmes there.
Same as u stay here.
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This is the 9 th Most Livable City in the world---Sydney.
I am wandering if the city is ruled by Laws or the bikies.
Bullet kills loving father
STILL in shock following Bob Knight's shooting death, his wife paid tribute to her husband - a "wonderful man" and "a lovely grandfather".
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Oz police seldom mentioned number of shots fired.
Investigations at this point have ruled out links to
Sydney bikie wars - full coverage
Sydney attack: KFC 'innocent bystander' killed
u can get more crimes records here--
www.police.nsw.gov.au/
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TO LION NOISY:
IF THEY SHOOT,,,THEN SHOOT BACK .......CARRYING A GUN ILLEGALLY IS NO BIG DEAL.U CAN EVEN BUY SILENCER IF U ARE RICH.SPORE TRAIN U SO HARD N U SWEAT SO MUCH BLOOD SO THAT GANGSTERS CAN RUN OR RUIN YER LIFE???U SCARED GANGSTER FOR WAT????THEN U SEE GHOST HOW?HEY.....IF U SEE GANGSTER THEY GOT GUN N APPROACH U.....JUST SHOW THEM YOUR HAND GRENADE,,,WITH PIN IN YOUR MOUTH,,I GUARANTEE U THE ENTIRE GANGSTER LAND WILL REMEMBER .....MAYBE EVEN INVITE U TO BE THEIR BOSS OR HENCHMAN,,,,,I LIVE IN A VERY VIOLENT WORLD.....IM PRACTICING FOR WORLD WAR 3.
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TO LION NOISY:
SO WAT U MAKING LION NOISE FOR WHEN U SAY EVERY COUNTRY IS MEAL MENU???
IF U FIND LAKSA NO GOOD...THEN DONT EAT.....U KEEP COMPLAININNG AFTER LAKSA LONG TIME GONE WHATS THE POINT??
GO DO SOME SHOPPING FOR PORN DVD INSTEAD......IT HELPS ALOT...
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Originally posted by tERMINATOR20000000:
TO LION NOISY:
IF THEY SHOOT,,,THEN SHOOT BACK .......CARRYING A GUN ILLEGALLY IS NO BIG DEAL.U CAN EVEN BUY SILENCER IF U ARE RICH.SPORE TRAIN U SO HARD N U SWEAT SO MUCH BLOOD SO THAT GANGSTERS CAN RUN OR RUIN YER LIFE???U SCARED GANGSTER FOR WAT????THEN U SEE GHOST HOW?HEY.....IF U SEE GANGSTER THEY GOT GUN N APPROACH U.....JUST SHOW THEM YOUR HAND GRENADE,,,WITH PIN IN YOUR MOUTH,,I GUARANTEE U THE ENTIRE GANGSTER LAND WILL REMEMBER .....MAYBE EVEN INVITE U TO BE THEIR BOSS OR HENCHMAN,,,,,I LIVE IN A VERY VIOLENT WORLD.....IM PRACTICING FOR WORLD WAR 3.
pl dunt write in capital letter.your key board get problem??
A gun is to heavy for me...I just wnt to carry a umbrella...
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Originally posted by lionnoisy:
well well well.a bright brain here wo.
ok ok .where r u staying now?if u are not in SG,then i salute u.
*becos u put you walk your words.
**If u still in SG.May I ask why?Too young?Have to take care family?
Kept by bond?
***2.The problems in SG just like in other places,incl Oz.We have problems which
Oz dunt have.Or vice versa.
****3.If u want to chz SG.There are two ways.Ballots or bullets.
*****4.NS life,to some,is a waste of time.I agree.But there is no perfect policy
in life.To be fair,every eligible boy must serve NS,at some costs.
******Why dunt u consider turn this 2 year waste into
productive years.Say try to study during the free time,learn somethings etc.
Just learn a good type writing will help u a lot in the future.
I mean type without looking at key board.Learn a new language etc
u have to adapt to life....
*******4A.Paper work---Do u know how to set priority in doing paper work,
suppose u have a 20 cm think paper work waiting for u?
Do u konw IMPORTANT & URGENT COMBINATION?
There are 4 types.search google to train your self to be a
top paper worker.U need this skill when u are in uni or
working.
********4.Do we need NS?
If SAF (incl NSF,Regular & NS Op) is not strong enough,
anyone one just call Istana anytime and demand any things.
''Good morning,Mr Prime Minister.I am sorry to disturb you
in this wee hours.U know i need xx billions in Infrastructure Development.
i happen to know u have xx billions in xx company.Can u transfer
to this acct in 12 hours.Or else my gun boats needs some parctice....''
* What talking you?? or is my english so lousy that i can't understand you??
** Are you trying to tell me/us that this is what keeps us, Singaporean, in Singapore now?
*** So you're agreeing with me that my stand has been right?
**** I believe all of us is rational enough not to choose the latter.
***** So you're agreeing with me that NS is a waste of time? The cost of NS? 2 years of my youth. Isn't it too much to ask for? When I'm protecting what's theirs and yet, they're still taking more out of me???
****** Glad that you agreed that 2 years is a waste of time. However, you still don't get me, do you? The suggestion that you've suggested, theoritically is great! But you'll not get a chance to study. Go serve army and you'll know why I said that.
******* YOU DO NOT SET THE PRIORITY IN ARMY!!!! YOUR SUPERIOR SET IT FOR YOU!!!! Their Priority is your Priority, your Priority is not a Priority! Get it?
******** How sure are you that this is not happening or happening??
Before i start nailing you, please think before you reply me. I enjoy constructive discussion, but not rubbish.
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Before i start nailing you, please think before you reply me. I enjoy constructive discussion, but not rubbish.
You are going to be very dissapointed if you expect constructive discussion from lionnoisy.
lionnoisy has no intention whatsoever, of engaging anybody in constructive discussion, his only objective here is to be as Rah-Rah for Singapore no matter the cost, even if it stems to irrationally finding fault with Australia.
Why Australia? Because he feels threatened by the fact that Australia is viewed by many Singaporeans as a prime location to migrate to, hence he feels the need to try to feel better about his Rah-Rah feelings about Singapore by trying to "prove" that Australia is a living hell and the people that go there are fools for leaving Singapore, the "best" nation in the world.
Unfortunately this person does not know anything about the meaning of being a patroit, or a true Singaporean.
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In fact, lionnoisy is so desperate to slime Australia, that when not getting any support for his threads in here, he actually created another account to pose as a user to "support" his own threads:
http://politics.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/315326
To this day after being exposed, he refuses to answer to the question as to why he did such a thing. Ask him this, he'll be very quiet and pretend nobody asked the question.
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Anyway if you all want to know more about lionnoisy:
He is a well known troll and troublemakers in sgforums, in fact he even resorted to the use of fake user accounts in order to create "support" for himself...
MAKEPEACE, MAKE CLONES?
A REPORT ON ATTEMPTED ASTROTURFING AND SOCKPUPPETING BY LIONNOISY
a lion puppet
For those who wondered what happened.
Lionnoisy created a clone called "makepeace" which he used in speakers corner to further his own agenda, trying to give people the impression that there are others out there that would agree with him.
Unfortunately he did a very poor job of hiding it.
This kind of behaviour is called sockpuppeting, ie. creating a false online identity to praise, defend or create the illusion of support for one’s self, allies or company.
A sockpuppet is an online identity used for purposes of deception within an Internet community. In its earliest usage, a sockpuppet was a false identity through which a member of an Internet community speaks while pretending not to, like a puppeteer manipulating a hand puppet.[1]
In current usage, the perception of the term has been extended beyond second identities of people who already post in a forum to include other uses of misleading online identities. For example, a NY Times article claims that "sock-puppeting" is defined as "the act of creating a fake online identity to praise, defend or create the illusion of support for one’s self, allies or company."[2]
The key difference between a sockpuppet and a regular pseudonym (sometimes termed an "alt") is the pretense that the puppet is a third party who is not affiliated with the puppeteer.
To "flame wars" and "phishing" we can now add "sock puppet." A sock puppet, for those still boning up, is a false identity through which a member of an Internet community speaks while pretending not to, like a puppeteer manipulating a hand puppet. Recently, a senior editor at The New Republic got in trouble for some particularly colorful sock puppetry.
When Lee Siegel began blogging for The New Republic, he found, as many others have, that Internet posters tend to be fairly outspoken — and a good number of the posters on the blog were harshly critical. An exception was ''sprezzatura,'' who regularly offered extravagant praise. After Mr. Siegel was criticized for his writing about Jon Stewart, host of ''The Daily Show,'' sprezzatura wrote: ''Siegel is brave, brilliant and wittier than Stewart will ever be. Take that, you bunch of immature, abusive sheep.'' A reader charged that sprezzatura was in fact Mr. Siegel, but sprezzatura denied it.
The reader turned out to be right. ...
After making some lame and hasty excuse about his account being hacked, lionnoisy suddenly abandoned all this threads in which him being sockpuppeting was being mentioned. Unfortunately his excuse cannot stand up to logic as he was seen responding to and talking back TO HIS OWN ACCOUNT.
This is what happened:
29th April 0932hrs a "user" called "makepeace" that had never posted before created a lionnoisy-sounding titled thread called "Oz Judge ban TV drama & interview glorify gangland wars "
Already suspisions were raised because the structure and phrasing of the title was signature of lionnoisy. The first post by this "makepeace" was as such:
Originally posted by makepeace:
Oz Supreme Judge Justice Betty King
bans TV drama serices & interviews
glorifying those in the gangland war.The bans to prevent
jurors to be affected while the trial of a murder case is in progress.
U hardly expect democratic and free country like Oz will
ban TV programmes .Right?
U wont know TV programmes on Oz gangsters
are so hot there.Right?
u wont know ganglang wars there also so frequent.Right?
1.Judge cuts down(TV) Nine's Underbelly
Milanda Rout | February 12, 2008
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23200497-7582,00.html
2.Judge bans 'crime mums' interview
Peter Gregory | April 22, 2008
Barbara Williams and Judith Moran,
the mothers of defendant Evangelos Goussis
and the widow of the murdered Lewis Moran
respectively,were interviewed.
Its damn interesting that this news was under
Entertainment section!!
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/news/entertainment/judge-bans-underbelly-report/2008/04/21/1208742836107.html?s_cid=rss_news
3.The Morgan family----the story of the murdered
http://www.melbournecrime.bizhosting.com/moran.family.htm
4.The story of the Boss ,Carl Williams,behind the killing
http://www.melbournecrime.bizhosting.com/carl.williams.htm
5.u can learn more by seraching Justice Betty King
in www.yahoo.com.au
6.Questions
A.Why the media want to air the interview while the trial
is still on?
B.How are the gang activities in Down Under?
C.Am i look like anti--Oz?
D.How true are the postings in 3 and 4 listed above.
i dunt expect the there are so many details about
Oz gangsters.Can any one tell me more?
Note that other then for the user name, this post is virtually indistinguishable from the countless of other lionnoisy posts we can compare it with. The excessive reliance on the media, posting of hyperlinks, using warped logic that takes issues out of their context, and most tellingly the horrible english which make typos and grammatical errors right down to what lionnoisy would EXACTLY make is exactly what you'd expect from lionnoisy.
Hence lionnoisy must have been someone disappointed because after 20 minutes still nobody bothered to reply to his post under makepeace. Hence he decided to bump his own thread.
But after a few lackluster replies, he finally decided to "talk" to makepeace
Originally posted by lionnoisy:
3.The Morgan family----the story of the murdered
http://www.melbournecrime.bizhosting.com/moran.family.htm
4.The story of the Boss ,Carl Williams,behind the killing
http://www.melbournecrime.bizhosting.com/carl.williams.htm
I cant believe there are so many killings
in the above links !!!
More excited than Holloywood movies!!
Note the bad acting, where he pretended to be "excited" and "surprised" about what he wrote himself.
Now this is the funny part, if his account was really hacked as he claimed it to be, he would certainly not be replying back to his "hacked" account so happily in such a way.
But in any case when he was exposed he made this very funny, frantic and desperate post trying to suddenly divorce himself from the actions of his sockpuppetry by claiming he was hacked. Unfortunately all a basic look at the thread will reveal what really happened, and that is nothing other then lionnoisy was caught red-handed sockpuppeting.
Originally posted by lionnoisy:
Why did u check IP and English of forumers?
i just know my acct has been hijacked and u post it!!
It seems u are faster than me?Looks so strange!!
Looks like it is a cyber crime and /or frame up.
Hv anyone(u know who i mean) hacked into my e mails and computers ?
Do i have to hire armed guards to stay outside my
pigeon hole?
I am seeking helps from ISD,CIA,FBI,MI 5 and 6,
PRC Kong Ang, etc to check who hijack my acct
and make me appearing as ''makepeace'' after
i click submit.How safe in this forum??
I will buy you Ya Kun coffee if your info can lead to
catch the criminal,
Forums owners and mods are hereby notified my formal ,written and distressing complaints to cyber crimes!!
Another paethetic, and desperate reply from him when he was cornered:
Originally posted by lionnoisy:
oh it is good.Then can help me saving time to see counsellors How to get rid of computers addicts!!bye
Those who want to see what happened can go here:
http://sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/315326
And some screencaps, so the evidence is preserved:
"mysterous" makepeace appears:
and of course his own excited and poorly acted "reply" to his own clone.
and his own desperate and feeble attempts to wriggle out of the situtation:
LOL, what a joker!
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lionnoisy's nemesis.
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Welcome back,Sg Ty,
long time no see?How are you ,mate?
Can i share some new stuff with u abt Down Under?
I think it is a system break down!Ya! Break Down.
We lose one inmate,whoever it was,was a big news.
BUT NOT IN DOWN UNDER.The mates there could cover it up
pretty well.
NOT 1,not 2 ,but damn number 6!!
WT Fxxking sys?
Prison authorities' silence: Escapes cover up claim
Corrective Services accused of culture of "cover up" as the sixth inmate breaks free in the last three months.
http://www.smh.com.au/national/great-escapes-cover-up-claim-20090702-d63c.html@@@@@@@@@@@@@do i need to say anything more?Dunt tell me Oz is big...Do they govern state by state,city by city.... -
Anyway if you all want to know more about lionnoisy:
He is a well known troll and troublemakers in sgforums, in fact he even resorted to the use of fake user accounts in order to create "support" for himself...
MAKEPEACE, MAKE CLONES?
A REPORT ON ATTEMPTED ASTROTURFING AND SOCKPUPPETING BY LIONNOISY
a lion puppet
For those who wondered what happened.
Lionnoisy created a clone called "makepeace" which he used in speakers corner to further his own agenda, trying to give people the impression that there are others out there that would agree with him.
Unfortunately he did a very poor job of hiding it.
This kind of behaviour is called sockpuppeting, ie. creating a false online identity to praise, defend or create the illusion of support for one’s self, allies or company.
A sockpuppet is an online identity used for purposes of deception within an Internet community. In its earliest usage, a sockpuppet was a false identity through which a member of an Internet community speaks while pretending not to, like a puppeteer manipulating a hand puppet.[1]
In current usage, the perception of the term has been extended beyond second identities of people who already post in a forum to include other uses of misleading online identities. For example, a NY Times article claims that "sock-puppeting" is defined as "the act of creating a fake online identity to praise, defend or create the illusion of support for one’s self, allies or company."[2]
The key difference between a sockpuppet and a regular pseudonym (sometimes termed an "alt") is the pretense that the puppet is a third party who is not affiliated with the puppeteer.
To "flame wars" and "phishing" we can now add "sock puppet." A sock puppet, for those still boning up, is a false identity through which a member of an Internet community speaks while pretending not to, like a puppeteer manipulating a hand puppet. Recently, a senior editor at The New Republic got in trouble for some particularly colorful sock puppetry.
When Lee Siegel began blogging for The New Republic, he found, as many others have, that Internet posters tend to be fairly outspoken — and a good number of the posters on the blog were harshly critical. An exception was ''sprezzatura,'' who regularly offered extravagant praise. After Mr. Siegel was criticized for his writing about Jon Stewart, host of ''The Daily Show,'' sprezzatura wrote: ''Siegel is brave, brilliant and wittier than Stewart will ever be. Take that, you bunch of immature, abusive sheep.'' A reader charged that sprezzatura was in fact Mr. Siegel, but sprezzatura denied it.
The reader turned out to be right. ...
After making some lame and hasty excuse about his account being hacked, lionnoisy suddenly abandoned all this threads in which him being sockpuppeting was being mentioned. Unfortunately his excuse cannot stand up to logic as he was seen responding to and talking back TO HIS OWN ACCOUNT.
This is what happened:
29th April 0932hrs a "user" called "makepeace" that had never posted before created a lionnoisy-sounding titled thread called "Oz Judge ban TV drama & interview glorify gangland wars "
Already suspisions were raised because the structure and phrasing of the title was signature of lionnoisy. The first post by this "makepeace" was as such:
Originally posted by makepeace:
Oz Supreme Judge Justice Betty King
bans TV drama serices & interviews
glorifying those in the gangland war.The bans to prevent
jurors to be affected while the trial of a murder case is in progress.
U hardly expect democratic and free country like Oz will
ban TV programmes .Right?
U wont know TV programmes on Oz gangsters
are so hot there.Right?
u wont know ganglang wars there also so frequent.Right?
1.Judge cuts down(TV) Nine's Underbelly
Milanda Rout | February 12, 2008
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23200497-7582,00.html
2.Judge bans 'crime mums' interview
Peter Gregory | April 22, 2008
Barbara Williams and Judith Moran,
the mothers of defendant Evangelos Goussis
and the widow of the murdered Lewis Moran
respectively,were interviewed.
Its damn interesting that this news was under
Entertainment section!!
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/news/entertainment/judge-bans-underbelly-report/2008/04/21/1208742836107.html?s_cid=rss_news
3.The Morgan family----the story of the murdered
http://www.melbournecrime.bizhosting.com/moran.family.htm
4.The story of the Boss ,Carl Williams,behind the killing
http://www.melbournecrime.bizhosting.com/carl.williams.htm
5.u can learn more by seraching Justice Betty King
in www.yahoo.com.au
6.Questions
A.Why the media want to air the interview while the trial
is still on?
B.How are the gang activities in Down Under?
C.Am i look like anti--Oz?
D.How true are the postings in 3 and 4 listed above.
i dunt expect the there are so many details about
Oz gangsters.Can any one tell me more?
Note that other then for the user name, this post is virtually indistinguishable from the countless of other lionnoisy posts we can compare it with. The excessive reliance on the media, posting of hyperlinks, using warped logic that takes issues out of their context, and most tellingly the horrible english which make typos and grammatical errors right down to what lionnoisy would EXACTLY make is exactly what you'd expect from lionnoisy.
Hence lionnoisy must have been someone disappointed because after 20 minutes still nobody bothered to reply to his post under makepeace. Hence he decided to bump his own thread.
But after a few lackluster replies, he finally decided to "talk" to makepeace
Originally posted by lionnoisy:
3.The Morgan family----the story of the murdered
http://www.melbournecrime.bizhosting.com/moran.family.htm
4.The story of the Boss ,Carl Williams,behind the killing
http://www.melbournecrime.bizhosting.com/carl.williams.htm
I cant believe there are so many killings
in the above links !!!
More excited than Holloywood movies!!
Note the bad acting, where he pretended to be "excited" and "surprised" about what he wrote himself.
Now this is the funny part, if his account was really hacked as he claimed it to be, he would certainly not be replying back to his "hacked" account so happily in such a way.
But in any case when he was exposed he made this very funny, frantic and desperate post trying to suddenly divorce himself from the actions of his sockpuppetry by claiming he was hacked. Unfortunately all a basic look at the thread will reveal what really happened, and that is nothing other then lionnoisy was caught red-handed sockpuppeting.
Originally posted by lionnoisy:
Why did u check IP and English of forumers?
i just know my acct has been hijacked and u post it!!
It seems u are faster than me?Looks so strange!!
Looks like it is a cyber crime and /or frame up.
Hv anyone(u know who i mean) hacked into my e mails and computers ?
Do i have to hire armed guards to stay outside my
pigeon hole?
I am seeking helps from ISD,CIA,FBI,MI 5 and 6,
PRC Kong Ang, etc to check who hijack my acct
and make me appearing as ''makepeace'' after
i click submit.How safe in this forum??
I will buy you Ya Kun coffee if your info can lead to
catch the criminal,
Forums owners and mods are hereby notified my formal ,written and distressing complaints to cyber crimes!!
Another paethetic, and desperate reply from him when he was cornered:
Originally posted by lionnoisy:
oh it is good.Then can help me saving time to see counsellors How to get rid of computers addicts!!bye
Those who want to see what happened can go here:
http://sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/315326
And some screencaps, so the evidence is preserved:
"mysterous" makepeace appears:
and of course his own excited and poorly acted "reply" to his own clone.
and his own desperate and feeble attempts to wriggle out of the situtation:LOL, what a joker!
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SITS BACK N WATCH machinegun fire between lionnoisy and tyranosaur.
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*brings out popcorn and coke and watch the two of them sludge it out
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kp (New South Wales) Having moved to Australia & been shooting in both countries I can say that the NZ laws are lightyears ahead. Aussie has a slow, bureaucratic system that takes no account at all of the person's mental competence, yet makes it difficult and expensive to legally get a gun. Criminals, of course, have no problem!
Dosen't anyone remember WW2? The first thing any totalitarian Govt does is confiscate all the registered weapons. and everyone who is thinking "it could never happen here" should remember that's what the German people thought too. as Hitler rounded up the Jews.
Remember, Governments killed more civilians in the 20th century than anyone else, so the 1/4 million gun owners in NZ are not the problem!click here
Do New Zealand's gun ownership laws need to be strengthened?
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