Campaign for all Singaporean SAF,Police Force
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There are 2000 armed Gurkhas in Singapore and their number grows annually by 140.
This is a dangerous sign.
Gurkhas are not Singaporeans. They are mercenaries. AND Mercenaries work for money.
In other words, Gurkhas can be bought with money. Loyalty is a tricky issue here, for their loyalty is dependent on their having to be satisfied with material reward. AND NOW this has proven to be true with their recent rioting incident in Mount Vernon Camp over pay issues which is very worrying.
I do not know how the trouble makers will be taken to task in this incident and whether or not there will be a coverup because of the way in which the MHA has conducted itself with the lack of transparency in the way it fumbled over the Mas Selamat Kastari escape.
The latest Gurkha rioting incident raises many questions in the minds of Singapore Citizens as to: How this mercenary unit being brought in and being armed? How is this mercenary unit empowered to act in Singapore? How is this mercenary unit subject to law and discipline and control?
Will the rioters be charged and disciplined accordingly? What sort of discipline will they receive?
As seen from the Mas Selamat Kastari escape, our administration will bend over backwards for these foreign mercenaries. The Gurkhas on duty ought to have been charged under the Penal Code but instead they were let off with a slap on their wrists. I believe the negligent Singaporean ISD officers received far heavier sanction compared to the negligent Gurkhas. It is amazing how much better treatment these foreigners are being treated in comparison to their Singaporean counterparts in the Police.
[By the way when Singaporean boys have petty fight in groups, they are often charged with rioting and they go to jail for it, I wonder if our Singapore Police Force is held to any higher standards of conduct]
We can trust that the Singapore Police Force and the Ministry of Home Affairs will do their best to cover up this incident and sweep it under the carpet. As if underneath the carpet is already not dirty enough. I would caution against condoning such coverup and I would also caution against the Singaporean public to be complacent enough to overlook the need to pressure the MHA into revealing the worms in the innards of the Gurkha Contingent.
This is because it is my view that the continued presence of Gurkhas in Singapore is the greatest danger to Singapore itself. My reasons are stated below.
If the PAP administration persists on being unrepentant on their mercenary ways and insist on using mercenaries for their security or should i say “the security of Singapore”, it would not be difficult to imagine the possibility of such attitudes infecting the Gurkha Contingent [which is mercenary in the first place] and resulting in the Gurkha Contingent selling out Singapore in time to come.
Imagine, there are 2000 mercenaries armed and ready. Their allegiance unknown. It is easy for them to even try to eliminate the entire leadership and neutralize the other Singaporean units in the Singapore Police Force should they ever decide to do so. And it would be easy for them to do so because the PAP trusts the Gurkhas more than they trust Singaporean Police Officers, they get the Gurkhas to guard Ministers homes.
Furthermore, the Gurkhas are professional soldiers and mercenaries, they are put constantly under training during their service. They upon completion of their vocational training continue to serve their careers in the position they have been trained for.
Singaporean National Servicemen on the other hand are under training only whilst doing their national service and they only turn operational near to their Run-Out-Date (Operationally ready date) only to be released and returned to their civilian status.
In the Singapore Armed Forces, we all know that in each SAF camp, there are roughly only 10-12 rifles in each aggregated guard detail and maybe 200-300 rounds of ammunition in each guardhouse. Other than that, all other weapons and ammunition are stored separately and drawing of arms and ammunition in times of need will take time.
As of now, we know nothing of the Gurkha Contingent’s weapons drawing protocol and ammunition storage and drawing protocol but there is reason to believe that their ammunition and weapons are stored in the same camp unlike the weapons and ammunition which are stored separately in all SAF units. Therefore, it is my belief that our SAF units cannot react fast enough to be mobilized, armed and ready for action if their was a mobilization call to neutralize the Gurkha Contingent when the need arises.
The red tape from the rules set by our leaders surrounding SAF weapons and ammunition drawing and the inherent fact that our Singaporean National Servicemen stay in the far flung corners of Singapore [with compliments from the Central Posting Centre in Mindef] as opposed to the Gurkhas being accommodated in their camp whilst on duty and being accommodated near their camp whilst off duty will prevent our local units from reacting fast enough to tackle the mercenary unit should the mercenaries turn renegade.
[Please recall that in this incident, the SOC reacted fast enough to deploy Mount Vernon Camp because it was an incident of scuffle and rioting. This situation would be vastly different from the scenario where the entire Gurkha Contingent co-operate and mutiny, there would be no 999 call to the Radio Division Singapore Police Force, there would also be no advance warning call to the Special Operations Command.]
The PAP had better come up with much better reasons for maintaining the need for the Gurkha Contingent.
Should the Gurkha Contingent revolt for reasons unknown, the PAP’s policy of recruiting and arming foreigners heavily on its own soil may prove to be the worst ever decision the administration has made and might in actual fact lead to the downfall of Singapore.
I repeat myself. Gurkhas are not Singaporeans, they are mercenaries and they intend to retire in their homeland when they finish their terms of services. Gurkhas are i believe more heavily armed, from what the photos reveal, with at least Heckler & Koch MP5 submachine guns and M-16 assault rifles as opposed to most of their Singaporean counterparts with their Smith & Wesson 0.38 revolvers. God knows whether or not they have the same heavy weapons as a SAF Infantry Battalion e.g. GPMGs.
Thank God that Singapore still has its Special Operations Command, Police Task Force unit, KINS and PINS. This however does not square the equation because do we have as many as 2000 fighting men in the Special Operations Command? I believe not.
The question is to MHA is this - What function does this unit perform which cannot be performed by true blue Singaporeans?
I hereby declare my intention to campaign for the disarming and disbanding of the Gurkha Contingent and I hope other Singaporeans will rally with me with this call.
Until the administration gets pressured enough to be accountable with how the Gurkhas’ recruitment, training, deployment and weapons access and cost of upkeep, I pray for all Singaporean police officers, especially those in the Special Operations Command, to keep a keen and watchful eye on the Gurkha Contingent for reasons which i need not say more.
No one need to look too far into history to know the dangers of having a foreign armed mercenary unit in Singapore.
-----I posted this as it raises a valid point,following onto the Gurkha protest recently. -
...The political conditions of the latter half of the twentieth century will continue to be dominated by the weapons situation, for, while politics consists of much more than weapons, the nature, organization, and control of weapons is the most significant of the numerous factors that determine what happens in political life.
Surely weapons will continue to be expensive and complex. This means that they will increasingly be the tools of professionalized, if not mercenary, forces.
All of past history shows that the shift from a mass army of citizen-soldiers to a smaller army of professional fighters leads, in the long run, to a decline of democracy.
When weapons are cheap and easy to obtain and to use, almost any man may obtain them, and the organized structure of the society, such as the state, can obtain no better weapons than the ordinary, industrious, private citizen.
This very rare historical condition existed about 1880, but is now only a dim memory, since the weapons obtainable by the state today are far beyond the pocketbook, understanding, or competence of the ordinary citizen.
When weapons are of the "amateur" type of 1880, as they were in Greece in the fifth century B.C., they are widely possessed by citizens, power is similarly dispersed, and no minority can compel the majority to yield to its will.
With such an "amateur weapons system" (if other conditions are not totally unfavorable), we are likely to find majority rule and a relatively democratic political system.
But, on the contrary, when a period can be dominated by complex and expensive weapons that only a few persons can afford to possess or can learn to use, we have a situation where the minority who control such "specialist" weapons can dominate the majority who lack them.
In such a society, sooner or later, an authoritarian political system that reflects the inequality in control of weapons will be established.
At the present time, there seems to be little reason to doubt that the specialist weapons of today will continue to dominate the military picture into the foreseeable future. If so, there is little reason to doubt that authoritarian rather than democratic political regimes will dominate the world into the same foreseeable future...
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With peoples like Mr Poh and Mr Andrew Yap, I support PAP in employing Gukkas Foreign Talents soldiers/police to protect them and our national security agencies.
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...Also related to the problem of internalised controls is the shift of weapons in our society. This is a profound problem. I have spent ten years working on it throughout all of history, and I hope eventually to produce a book if I can find a publisher.
There will be endless analyses of Chinese history, Byzantine history and Russian history and everything else, and the book is about nine-tenths written.
I'd say in the last ten years the shift of weapons in any civilization and, above all, in our civilization, from shock weapons to missile weapons has a dominant influence on the ability to control individuals: individuals cannot be controlled by missile weapons.
Notice that if you go back several hundred years to the Middle Ages, all weapons were shock, that is, you came at the enemy with a spear or a sword. Even as late as 1916, in the First World War, you came at the Germans with bayonets after a preliminary barrage with artillery.
But we have now shifted almost completely to missile weapons. Missile weapons are weapons that you hurl. You may shoot, you may have bombs dropped from an airplane, you may throw a hand grenade: these are missile weapons.
The essential difference between a shock weapon and a missile weapon is this: a missile weapon is either fired or it isn't fired. It cannot be half-fired. Once you let it go, it's out of your control. It is a killing weapon.
But a shock weapon--a billy club or a bayonet-- can be used to any degree you wish. If you say to someone, "Get up and get out of my room," and you pull out a machines gun, or you call in a B-52 bomber, or you pull the pin in a hand grenade....But with a bayonet you can persuade him.
In our society, individual behaviour can no longer be controlled by any system of weaponry we have.
In fact, we do not have enough people, even if we equip them with shock weapons, to control the behaviour of that part of the population which does not have internalised controls.
One reason for that, of course, is that the twenty percent who do have internalised controls are concentrated in certain areas. I won't go into the subject of controls.
It opens up the whole field of guerrilla resistance, terrorism, and everything else; these cannot be controlled by any system or organized structure or force that exists, at least on the basis of missile weaponry.
And, as I said, it would take too many people on the basis of shock weaponry. We have now done what the Romans did when they started to commit suicide: we have shifted from an army of citizens to an army of mercenaries, and those mercenaries are being recruited in our society, as they were in Roman society, from the twenty percent of the population which does not have the internalised controls of the civilization...
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Look, me and most of my gfs cannot just depend on weak legs partime boys as our soldiers and policemen.
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the good thing about mercenaries is that they are not willing to die for political ideals. and they will stay loyal to the contract because not doing so is bad for the publicity, which equates to bad business.
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Originally posted by angel7030:
Look, me and most of my gfs cannot just depend on weak legs partime boys as our soldiers and policemen.
what about full time macho soldiers and policeman?
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Sardaukar-Prime
I agree with each and every word you wrote.
I agree with your concern and fear.
But what LKY fear most are not the Gurkha but the locals and he created the Gurkha Contingent precisely for this purpose (he must have done his sum).
Ages ago, he said something along this line
"if the Chinese rebels, do I send a Malay contingent?
if the Malay rebels, do I send a Chinese contigent?"
What you are touching on can be classified as a state's top secret stuff. You will not get any answer from the net or from the authority.
Having goen thru' NS, I have seen first hand that Sg and Malaysia also have secret state-to-state arrangement.
(Now don't interpret it as me implying that Malaysia will intervent in event of Gurkha rebellion. I am not saying or implying that.
I would only say that I have been there, first hand. In other crisis, where suddenly you realise that it is a state-to-state agreement that the ordinary folk would never know - until the crisis strikes.) -
"If I have to shoot 200,000 students to save China from another 100 years of disorder, so be it." - Minister Mentor Lee Kuan Yew evoking the ghost of Deng Xiaoping whilst endorsing the Tiananmen Square massacre, Straits Times, Aug 17, 2004
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Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:
"If I have to shoot 200,000 students to save China from another 100 years of disorder, so be it." - Minister Mentor Lee Kuan Yew evoking the ghost of Deng Xiaoping whilst endorsing the Tiananmen Square massacre, Straits Times, Aug 17, 2004
what would you choose?
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Originally posted by 4sg:
Sardaukar-Prime
I agree with each and every word you wrote.
I agree with your concern and fear.
But what LKY fear most are not the Gurkha but the locals and he created the Gurkha Contingent precisely for this purpose (he must have done his sum).
Ages ago, he said something along this line
"if the Chinese rebels, do I send a Malay contingent?
if the Malay rebels, do I send a Chinese contigent?"
today is different, if the chinese rebels, you can contact me, i can send a group of PRC gals and aunties for them to enjoy.if the malay rebel, I got Indonesia gals contacts to send a whole contingent of batam and bintan gals here.
I also got indian gals for indian rebels and other races.
What LKY worry is, if the sg gals rebel, all these foreign gals will not able to tame us down, so they send in a contingent of handsome gukkas for standing by
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what would you choose?
Get rid of Lee Kuan Yew.
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Originally posted by angel7030:
today is different, if the chinese rebels, you can contact me, i can send a group of PRC gals and aunties for them to enjoy.if the malay rebel, I got Indonesia gals contacts to send a whole contingent of batam and bintan gals here.
I also got indian gals for indian rebels and other races.
What LKY worry is, if the sg gals rebel, all these foreign gals will not able to tame us down, so they send in a contingent of handsome gukkas for standing by
woah... you sure are well connected. can i have your namecard so i can contact you for "services"
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Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:
Get rid of Lee Kuan Yew.
i mean the shooting and 100 years disorder part. deng xiaoping had to choose one of the option. what would you choose?
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i mean the shooting and 100 years disorder part. deng xiaoping had to choose one of the option. what would you choose?
I would use force, but not excessive force.
Although it is true that such questions are not easy to answer.
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Originally posted by skythewood:
woah... you sure are well connected. can i have your namecard so i can contact you for "services"
unless there is a crisis, what services do you want in peacetime?? -
Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:
Get rid of Lee Kuan Yew.
Then Lee H loong will be very happy to acent to the throne. Thank you Uncle POH -
Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:
I would use force, but not excessive force.
Although it is true that such questions are not easy to answer.
i agree, a hard question, with no real best solution answer.
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Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:
I would use force, but not excessive force.
Although it is true that such questions are not easy to answer.
Want to do it, do it excessively, if not half standard type, please dun do it, go home and sleep. -
Dear Mr Poh,
you copy and pasted 2 whole big chunks of text, but have still not stated your view or opinion so you post already also equal no post.
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Originally posted by angel7030:
unless there is a crisis, what services do you want in peacetime??today is different, if the chinese rebels, you can contact me, i can send a group of PRC gals and aunties for them to enjoy.
the enjoy part.is a service, no?
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you copy and pasted 2 whole big chunks of text, but have still not stated your view or opinion so you post already also equal no post.
Then your view on gurkha issue?
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Originally posted by skythewood:
the enjoy part.is a service, no?
That is during a rebel, to curb a rebel in singapore is as easy as abc, just close down geyland, chinatown and joo chiat, all surrender liao. -
Originally posted by rain-coat:
Dear Mr Poh,
you copy and pasted 2 whole big chunks of text, but have still not stated your view or opinion so you post already also equal no post.
He is training his cut and paste skill, he do not need to give opinon. -
That is during a rebel, to curb a rebel in singapore is as easy as abc, just close down geyland, chinatown and joo chiat, all surrender liao.What about Chee?
Is Chee going to surrender?