SEOUL - NORTH Korean state media on Sunday reported official activities by leader Kim Jong-Il but a new report indicated his health may be worse than earlier believed following a stroke.
Mr Kim, 66, sent birthday greetings to Russian President Dmitry Medvedev, said the Korean Central News Agency, which has not reported any public appearances by the 'Dear Leader' since August 14.
Kim Jong Il, when are you going to die?
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Sep 14, 2008Kim suffers blackouts
Mr Kim also suffered heart and kidney problems last year.TOKYO - NORTH Korean leader Kim Jong Il has suffered blackouts since April and was not been well enough to make important government decisions, a Japanese report said on Sunday.South Korean officials have said Mr Kim suffered a stroke and underwent brain surgery last month, heightening uncertainty about the future of the nuclear-armed country.
Government officials in Seoul have tended to stress that the 66-year-old leader of the impoverished nation is recovering fast and still in control.But media reports speak of ongoing health problems, raising concerns about the future leadership of the secretive, hardline communist state.
The Mainichi Shimbun newspaper quoted a Chinese official saying Mr Kim has been occasionally losing consciousness since April and not been fully able to instruct on policy affairs.
Mr Kim also suffered heart and kidney problems last year, the paper said, quoting the unnamed official who is privy to North Korean affairs, and has cut back his duties to concentrate on medical treatment.
However a meeting between Kim and China's vice president Xi Jinping in July in Pyongyang was successful, after he underwent two months of clinical treatment, it said.
Sunday's report came after South Korea's intelligence agency told parliament last week Kim suffered a stroke but is still able to run the country and will recover, confirming earlier media reports about Mr Kim's illness.
His health comes amid deadlock in a six-nation nuclear disarmament deal with North Korea and fears the nation, which tested an atomic bomb in October 2006, intends to restart its programme.
Another report in the Yomiuri Shimbun said the North has not replied to a new US proposal to verify Pyongyang's nuclear facilities, which is part of the deal, the Yomiuri said, citing an unnamed senior US government official.
The US has not received any direct response to the August proposal, and the US official said 'what we can do is only to wait,' the report said.
The official pointed to the possibility that Mr Kim may not be able to order a response because of the stroke, it said.
Mr Kim's health has been the subject of intense speculation since he took over from his father, who died in 1994, in the communist world's only dynastic succession. He has not publicly nominated any successor. -- AFP
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North Korea's Kim died in 2003; replaced by lookalike, says Waseda professor
Is Kim Jong Il dead? Yes, North Korea’s “Dear Leader” is no more, having passed away in the fall of 2003, writes Waseda University professor Toshimitsu Shigemura in Shukan Gendai (Aug 23-30).
A one-time Mainichi Shimbun journalist posted in Seoul, Shigemura is introduced by the magazine as a leading authority on the Korean Peninsula. His latest book, released this month, is titled “The True Character of Kim Jong Il.”
If true, the implications are potentially vast. Among them: former Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi’s summit partner during one or both of his landmark visits to Pyongyang in 2002 and 2004 was not Kim himself but a dummy—the stand-in Shigemura claims has been fooling the world for at least five years.
A dictator having one or multiple doubles is a familiar notion since Iraq’s Saddam Hussein was shown to have deployed them. But Saddam was alive at the time. Kim, in Shigemura’s scenario, was not manipulating a look-alike; he was replaced by one.
Of course it’s fantastic—but in North Korea, says Shigemura, fantasy and reality are not mutually exclusive. “Japanese common sense cannot take the measure of North Korea’s uniqueness,” he writes. “For example: Kim came to Tokyo six times in the 1980s.”
Then as now, North Korea and Japan had no diplomatic ties. Kim, then heir to the throne under his father, “Great Leader” Kim Il Sung, apparently traveled incognito by ship. His purpose: to take in the magic shows staged by magician Hikita Tenko at the upscale Cordon Bleu show pub in Akasaka.
Shigemura cites as sources (without naming them) several people close to Kim’s family. He hears from them that Kim’s diabetes took a turn for the worse early in 2000. From then until his supposed death three and a half years later he was confined to a wheelchair.
Was the flurry of diplomatic activity in which the world saw Kim engaged during those years mere sleight of hand? The “hermit kingdom” seemed all of a sudden to grow remarkably outgoing. In June 2000 Kim hosted the historic summit with South Korean President Kim Dae Jung. The following month, he received Russian President Vladimir Putin. In October his guest was U.S. Secretary of State Madeleine Albright. In January 2001 he visited China; in August, Russia. In September 2002 there occurred the first summit with Koizumi, culminating in Kim’s admission, after decades of denial from Pyongyang, that North Korean agents had kidnapped Japanese nationals. August 2003 saw the launch of the Six Party talks aimed at North Korea’s nuclear disarmament.
“Then suddenly,” writes Shigemura in Shukan Gendai, “the pace slows.”
The second Kim-Koizumi summit, in 2004, lasted all of 90 minutes. Scheduled meetings with other foreign dignitaries were abruptly canceled. Kim’s retreat from the public eye was almost total. State television in October 2003 showed him touring a collective farm, but mention of the date of the visit was conspicuously absent.
Kim’s family, meanwhile, was in a state of upheaval. His wife died—of breast cancer, said official reports; assassinated, according to persistent rumors. His favorite sister, a high-ranking Communist Party official, suddenly moved to Paris. Her husband lost his post. Clearly something was afoot.
In the spring of 2006, says Shigemura, American spy satellites succeeded in photographing Kim. An analysis of the photographs led to an astonishing conclusion: Kim had grown 2.5 cm!
“Recently,” Shigemura proceeds, “someone who was in contact with a Kim family member told me he heard the family member say, ‘There’s been a promise not to decide on Kim’s successor so long as the current shogun is alive.’”
“‘Shogun’ was Kim’s nickname,” Shigemura explains “If Kim were alive, the family member would simply have said, ‘the shogun’—not ‘the current shogun.’ The stress on ‘current’ seems to suggest that the person in question is someone other than Kim Jong Il.”
Shukan Gendai asks a government official who helped plan Koizumi’s Pyongyang visits what he thinks of all this. His reply: “Rumors of a dummy Kim began circulating after the summit. Some of us said we should have Kim’s voice prints analyzed. But if we did that and proved the prime minister had been conferring with a double, it could have destroyed the Koizumi administration. So we didn’t proceed.”
http://www.japantoday.com/category/kuchikomi/view/north-koreas-kim-died-in-2
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Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:
North Korea's Kim died in 2003; replaced by lookalike, says Waseda professor
Is Kim Jong Il dead? Yes, North Korea’s “Dear Leader” is no more, having passed away in the fall of 2003, writes Waseda University professor Toshimitsu Shigemura in Shukan Gendai (Aug 23-30).
A one-time Mainichi Shimbun journalist posted in Seoul, Shigemura is introduced by the magazine as a leading authority on the Korean Peninsula. His latest book, released this month, is titled “The True Character of Kim Jong Il.”
If true, the implications are potentially vast. Among them: former Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi’s summit partner during one or both of his landmark visits to Pyongyang in 2002 and 2004 was not Kim himself but a dummy—the stand-in Shigemura claims has been fooling the world for at least five years.
A dictator having one or multiple doubles is a familiar notion since Iraq’s Saddam Hussein was shown to have deployed them. But Saddam was alive at the time. Kim, in Shigemura’s scenario, was not manipulating a look-alike; he was replaced by one.
Of course it’s fantastic—but in North Korea, says Shigemura, fantasy and reality are not mutually exclusive. “Japanese common sense cannot take the measure of North Korea’s uniqueness,” he writes. “For example: Kim came to Tokyo six times in the 1980s.”
Then as now, North Korea and Japan had no diplomatic ties. Kim, then heir to the throne under his father, “Great Leader” Kim Il Sung, apparently traveled incognito by ship. His purpose: to take in the magic shows staged by magician Hikita Tenko at the upscale Cordon Bleu show pub in Akasaka.
Shigemura cites as sources (without naming them) several people close to Kim’s family. He hears from them that Kim’s diabetes took a turn for the worse early in 2000. From then until his supposed death three and a half years later he was confined to a wheelchair.
Was the flurry of diplomatic activity in which the world saw Kim engaged during those years mere sleight of hand? The “hermit kingdom” seemed all of a sudden to grow remarkably outgoing. In June 2000 Kim hosted the historic summit with South Korean President Kim Dae Jung. The following month, he received Russian President Vladimir Putin. In October his guest was U.S. Secretary of State Madeleine Albright. In January 2001 he visited China; in August, Russia. In September 2002 there occurred the first summit with Koizumi, culminating in Kim’s admission, after decades of denial from Pyongyang, that North Korean agents had kidnapped Japanese nationals. August 2003 saw the launch of the Six Party talks aimed at North Korea’s nuclear disarmament.
“Then suddenly,” writes Shigemura in Shukan Gendai, “the pace slows.”
The second Kim-Koizumi summit, in 2004, lasted all of 90 minutes. Scheduled meetings with other foreign dignitaries were abruptly canceled. Kim’s retreat from the public eye was almost total. State television in October 2003 showed him touring a collective farm, but mention of the date of the visit was conspicuously absent.
Kim’s family, meanwhile, was in a state of upheaval. His wife died—of breast cancer, said official reports; assassinated, according to persistent rumors. His favorite sister, a high-ranking Communist Party official, suddenly moved to Paris. Her husband lost his post. Clearly something was afoot.
In the spring of 2006, says Shigemura, American spy satellites succeeded in photographing Kim. An analysis of the photographs led to an astonishing conclusion: Kim had grown 2.5 cm!
“Recently,” Shigemura proceeds, “someone who was in contact with a Kim family member told me he heard the family member say, ‘There’s been a promise not to decide on Kim’s successor so long as the current shogun is alive.’”
“‘Shogun’ was Kim’s nickname,” Shigemura explains “If Kim were alive, the family member would simply have said, ‘the shogun’—not ‘the current shogun.’ The stress on ‘current’ seems to suggest that the person in question is someone other than Kim Jong Il.”
Shukan Gendai asks a government official who helped plan Koizumi’s Pyongyang visits what he thinks of all this. His reply: “Rumors of a dummy Kim began circulating after the summit. Some of us said we should have Kim’s voice prints analyzed. But if we did that and proved the prime minister had been conferring with a double, it could have destroyed the Koizumi administration. So we didn’t proceed.”
http://www.japantoday.com/category/kuchikomi/view/north-koreas-kim-died-in-2
For your info, ALL satellites are not able to accurately measures HEIGHT.
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Originally posted by skythewood:Sep 14, 2008Kim suffers blackoutsMr Kim also suffered heart and kidney problems last year.TOKYO - NORTH Korean leader Kim Jong Il has suffered blackouts since April and was not been well enough to make important government decisions, a Japanese report said on Sunday.
South Korean officials have said Mr Kim suffered a stroke and underwent brain surgery last month, heightening uncertainty about the future of the nuclear-armed country.
Government officials in Seoul have tended to stress that the 66-year-old leader of the impoverished nation is recovering fast and still in control.KIM SENDS GREETINGS TO RUSSIAN LEADER AMID SPECULATION ON HEALTHSEOUL - NORTH Korean state media on Sunday reported official activities by leader Kim Jong-Il but a new report indicated his health may be worse than earlier believed following a stroke.
Mr Kim, 66, sent birthday greetings to Russian President Dmitry Medvedev, said the Korean Central News Agency, which has not reported any public appearances by the 'Dear Leader' since August 14.But media reports speak of ongoing health problems, raising concerns about the future leadership of the secretive, hardline communist state.
The Mainichi Shimbun newspaper quoted a Chinese official saying Mr Kim has been occasionally losing consciousness since April and not been fully able to instruct on policy affairs.
Mr Kim also suffered heart and kidney problems last year, the paper said, quoting the unnamed official who is privy to North Korean affairs, and has cut back his duties to concentrate on medical treatment.
However a meeting between Kim and China's vice president Xi Jinping in July in Pyongyang was successful, after he underwent two months of clinical treatment, it said.
Sunday's report came after South Korea's intelligence agency told parliament last week Kim suffered a stroke but is still able to run the country and will recover, confirming earlier media reports about Mr Kim's illness.
His health comes amid deadlock in a six-nation nuclear disarmament deal with North Korea and fears the nation, which tested an atomic bomb in October 2006, intends to restart its programme.
Another report in the Yomiuri Shimbun said the North has not replied to a new US proposal to verify Pyongyang's nuclear facilities, which is part of the deal, the Yomiuri said, citing an unnamed senior US government official.
The US has not received any direct response to the August proposal, and the US official said 'what we can do is only to wait,' the report said.
The official pointed to the possibility that Mr Kim may not be able to order a response because of the stroke, it said.
Mr Kim's health has been the subject of intense speculation since he took over from his father, who died in 1994, in the communist world's only dynastic succession. He has not publicly nominated any successor. -- AFP
I wish Kim Jong IL to suffer the slowest and most excruciating illness and without death.
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Originally posted by parn:
I wish Kim Jong IL to suffer the slowest and most excruciating illness and without death.
what did he do to you?
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Originally posted by skythewood:
what did he do to you?
I also don't know why, but I really hate that retard.This shows that some humans will never find forgiveness in my heart.
Don't we all have something we hate in our lives, like insects.......I guess I hate him like I hated a certain type of insect, it's my instinct.
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Originally posted by parn:
I also don't know why, but I really hate that retard.This shows that some humans will never find forgiveness in my heart.
Don't we all have something we hate in our lives, like insects.......I guess I hate him like I hated a certain type of insect, it's my instinct.
i think you hate him because he look ugly bah. I think his hair is stupid though....
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I also don't know why, but I really hate that retard.
Could be due to influence of anti-Kim propaganda.
Here are some pro-Kim propaganda to counter:
Kim Jong Il The Great Warrior
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2ST
Kim Jong Il The Great Diplomat
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q
Kim Jong Il The Great Economist
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Originally posted by parn:
I wish Kim Jong IL to suffer the slowest and most excruciating illness and without death.
Lol!!! watch ur word, later he send nuclear bombs to singapore!!!! -
Kim Jong Il The Great Media Man
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssJ
Kim Jong Il The Great Architect
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v
Kim Jong Il The Great Traveller
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v
Kim Jong Il The Great Athlete
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v
Kim Jong Il Master Of The Arts
Kim Jong Il The Great Dietetician
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Originally posted by sirAdrian:
Lol!!! watch ur word, later he send nuclear bombs to singapore!!!!
Unless China finally decides to sell their rocket technology to North Korea, then everyone in the world will be worried....not just Singapore will be in danger. -
Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:
Kim Jong Il The Great Media Man
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssJ
Kim Jong Il The Great Architect
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v
Kim Jong Il The Great Traveller
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v
Kim Jong Il The Great Athlete
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v
Kim Jong Il Master Of The Arts
Kim Jong Il The Great Dietetician
got the great lover?
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Dont worry about NKorea.
They have formal diplomatic relations with Singapore.
In fact, George Yeo just visited NKorea not long ago.
Also, ASEAN and NKorea have signed a treaty of non-agression.
There is too much propaganda against NKorea. Actually they are just worried about SKorea + USA, thats all.
Thats why they made nuclear weapon.
They dont have any intention or hostile interest towards anyone else. Except maybe historical resentment against Japan. But for that, even SKorea also have similar sentiment.
For me, the way I look at NKorea, is a little bit with sadness. Mainly due to welfare issues. I hope China and Vietnam can persuade NKorea to reform their economic system abit.
Meat Pao
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Originally posted by parn:
Unless China finally decides to sell their rocket technology to North Korea, then everyone in the world will be worried....not just Singapore will be in danger.
Y need to buy rocket techhnology when they have their own??? They do have nuclear weapon already in some where hidden in their country. -
Originally posted by Meat Pao:
Dont worry about NKorea.
They have formal diplomatic relations with Singapore.
In fact, George Yeo just visited NKorea not long ago.
Also, ASEAN and NKorea have signed a treaty of non-agression.
There is too much propaganda against NKorea. Actually they are just worried about SKorea + USA, thats all.
Thats why they made nuclear weapon.
They dont have any intention or hostile interest towards anyone else. Except maybe historical resentment against Japan. But for that, even SKorea also have similar sentiment.
For me, the way I look at NKorea, is a little bit with sadness. Mainly due to welfare issues. I hope China and Vietnam can persuade NKorea to reform their economic system abit.
Meat Pao
Which country threatens to nuke North Korea? Does NK need Nuke capabilities when the govt cannot even combat famine?
If SK indeed has plans to unify the North, the intention should be a good one for no country would be crazy enough to inherit a starving population. Korea should be unified for the betterment of her people but not under the rule of commies.
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Which country threatens to nuke North Korea?
Korea: Forgotten Nuclear Threats
...On 9 December MacArthur said that he wanted commander's discretion to use atomic weapons in the Korean theatre. On 24 December he submitted "a list of retardation targets" for which he required 26 atomic bombs. He also wanted four to drop on the "invasion forces" and four more for "critical concentrations of enemy air power".
In interviews published posthumously, MacArthur said he had a plan that would have won the war in 10 days: "I would have dropped 30 or so atomic bombs . . . strung across the neck of Manchuria". Then he would have introduced half a million Chinese Nationalist troops at the Yalu and then "spread behind us - from the Sea of Japan to the Yellow Sea - a belt of radioactive cobalt . . . it has an active life of between 60 and 120 years. For at least 60 years there could have been no land invasion of Korea from the North." He was certain that the Russians would have done nothing about this extreme strategy: "My plan was a cinch"
Cobalt 60 has 320 times the radioactivity of radium. One 400-ton cobalt H-bomb, historian Carroll Quigley has written, could wipe out all animal life on earth. MacArthur sounds like a warmongering lunatic, but he was not alone. Before the Sino-Korean offensive, a committee of the JCS had said that atomic bombs might be the decisive factor in cutting off a Chinese advance into Korea; initially they could be useful in "a cordon sanitaire [that] might be established by the UN in a strip in Manchuria immediately north of the Korean border". A few months later Congressman Albert Gore (2000 Democratic candidate Al Gore's father, subsequently a strong opponent of the Vietnam war) complained that "Korea has become a meat grinder of American manhood" and suggested "something cataclysmic" to end the war: a radiation belt dividing the Korean peninsula permanently into two... -
Faced with possible nuclear annihilation by USA, North Korea had no choice but to develop nuclear weapons to deter the nuclear threat of the USA.
The strategy worked as can be seen from the fact that USA did not attack North Korea, which had nuclear weapons, but attacked the weaker Iraq, which had no nuclear weapons.
Kim Jong Il was wise to do so.
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Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:
Korea: Forgotten Nuclear Threats
...On 9 December MacArthur said that he wanted commander's discretion to use atomic weapons in the Korean theatre. On 24 December he submitted "a list of retardation targets" for which he required 26 atomic bombs. He also wanted four to drop on the "invasion forces" and four more for "critical concentrations of enemy air power".
In interviews published posthumously, MacArthur said he had a plan that would have won the war in 10 days: "I would have dropped 30 or so atomic bombs . . . strung across the neck of Manchuria". Then he would have introduced half a million Chinese Nationalist troops at the Yalu and then "spread behind us - from the Sea of Japan to the Yellow Sea - a belt of radioactive cobalt . . . it has an active life of between 60 and 120 years. For at least 60 years there could have been no land invasion of Korea from the North." He was certain that the Russians would have done nothing about this extreme strategy: "My plan was a cinch"
Cobalt 60 has 320 times the radioactivity of radium. One 400-ton cobalt H-bomb, historian Carroll Quigley has written, could wipe out all animal life on earth. MacArthur sounds like a warmongering lunatic, but he was not alone. Before the Sino-Korean offensive, a committee of the JCS had said that atomic bombs might be the decisive factor in cutting off a Chinese advance into Korea; initially they could be useful in "a cordon sanitaire [that] might be established by the UN in a strip in Manchuria immediately north of the Korean border". A few months later Congressman Albert Gore (2000 Democratic candidate Al Gore's father, subsequently a strong opponent of the Vietnam war) complained that "Korea has become a meat grinder of American manhood" and suggested "something cataclysmic" to end the war: a radiation belt dividing the Korean peninsula permanently into two...That was then. The NK army was the invading force and the targets MacArthur wanted to nuke were military targets. His plan was to prevent futher adventures from the North for another 60 years or so, as your posted article said.
NK decided to hv nuke capabilities to counter US threats after 50 long years, at the expense of starving the population?
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I wonder who is going to lock this thread also>hahaha
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North Korea's nuclear program is shrounded in secrecy.
No one really knows at what date they acquired nuclear weapons.
North Korea began building nuclear reactors in the 1960s.
May-June 1965
North Korea receives a 2MW IRT-nuclear research reactor from the Soviet Union. In exchange for the reactor, North Korea exports the spent fuel from the reactor back to the Soviet Union. The reactor is a pool-type reactor that uses highly-enriched uranium for fuel. In addition to the reactor, the Soviet Union supplies North Korea with a small 0.1MW critical assembly. Both the reactor and critical assembly are installed at Yongbyon and placed under International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) safeguards.
1967
North Korea’s 2MW IRT-research reactor reportedly becomes operational. The reactor is presumably used to produce radioactive isotopes for medicine and industry, as well as for purposes of scientific research.
Joseph S. Bermudez Jr., Jane’s Intelligence Review, September 1991, p.406.
http://cns.miis.edu/research/korea/nuc/chr4789.htm
It is likely that North Korea started its project to develop nuclear weapons in the 1970s in order to deter the USA nuclear threat.
A history of U.S. Nuclear Weapons in South Korea
The United States deployed nuclear weapons in South Korea for 33 years. The first weapons arrived in January 1958, well after the ending of the Korean War, and four years after forward deployment of nuclear weapons began in Europe. Over the years the numbers and types of nuclear weapons in South Korea changed frequently. At one point in the late 1960s, as many as eight different types were deployed at the same time (see chart)...
http://www.nukestrat.com/korea/koreahistory.htm
See also;
U.S. Nuclear Strike Planning Against North Korea
http://www.nukestrat.com/korea/koreaplanning.htm
In order to counter the USA nuclear military threat, DPRK develop nuclear weapons.
This is a wise move in my opinion.
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See also:
History of South Korea's Nuclear Program
South Korea's peaceful nuclear program dates from the late 1950s, when South Korea began to establish the infrastructure to sustain a nuclear development program.South Korea began to operate its first research reactor in November 1962 and its first power reactor in April 1978. By the mid 1970s, South Korea was actively pursuing the development of nuclear weapons...
http://cns.miis.edu/pubs/week/0411
South Korea Nuclear Project Detailed
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alot of links... yah, so kim jong il has a secret nuclear project.
no surprise there.... now is he dead or dying?
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Originally posted by sirAdrian:
Y need to buy rocket techhnology when they have their own??? They do have nuclear weapon already in some where hidden in their country.
Their rockets not able to reach other countries that are far away from them, accuracy is also one of their problems too.They have nuclear like India, but without the technology to hit targets far away from them with accuracy, their own rockets might just balik kampung back to themselves.
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Originally posted by skythewood:
alot of links... yah, so kim jong il has a secret nuclear project.
no surprise there.... now is he dead or dying?
he alive or dead, dun worry lah, still got Kim jong III, kim jong IV, kim jong V, Kimchi I, Mah Jong II to take over..be cool ya -
but will they have his unique hair or not? so retro... maybe the next one will have afro...