Petition for a political debate
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Hmm...I was wondering if it is too hard to ask for a political debate between the PAP and the Opp parties?
If a petition managed to catch the public attention as a whole...it will look embrassing for the PAP to reject a public debate. And I don't think it is too hard to ask, for the parties to debate on a national level and address the issue of the country as a whole, not in a town.
The opposition parties need to be more daring...debate on national issues, and not about the lift upgrade issues once again.
Can the opposition even address national issues like international relation, trade issues, economy in general and so on?
So perhaps we can start a public petition when the next election is approaching?
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You are new in Singapore?
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Lee Kuan Yew won't allow opposition to be seen on TV.
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for one i supported the political debate on TV during election, so that the party can square off one against another on key issues so that singapore whether stupid or not can have better understandingof the key agenda that each party is trying to push across.
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Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:
Lee Kuan Yew won’t allow opposition to be seen on TV.
Got, in the parliament, i got see the oppositions. I noticed them becos beside the speaker, they are the ones staying awakes, the rest MPs and judges and orderlies are in dreamland. -
Originally posted by angel7030:
Got, in the parliament, i got see the oppositions. I noticed them becos beside the speaker, they are the ones staying awakes, the rest MPs and judges and orderlies are in dreamland.You are funny.
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who wants a debate when PAP has the defamation sword to slice you to pieces, talk only get damation charges not to mention debate
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Originally posted by charlize:
You are funny.
my job is to make forumers staying awake with funny stuffs, otherwise some uncles will go to sleep and may not wake up. -
Originally posted by angel7030:
my job is to make forumers staying awake with funny stuffs, otherwise some uncles will go to sleep and may not wake up.
zzzzzzz -
Originally posted by 4sg:
zzzzzzz
or at least half awake with lower case z -
Originally posted by angel7030:
or at least half awake with lower case zangel so cute until i wanna sian =P
haha
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Originally posted by yamizi:
angel so cute until i wanna sian =P
haha
i think quite difficult to "sian" her. from what i have observed, she has very high expectations for her other half... not easy but not impossible... don't let obstacles hinder you. do us men on this forum proud!
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Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:
Lee Kuan Yew won’t allow opposition to be seen on TV.
Which is the whole point of having a petitionIf enough people know and sign the petition, the PAP will forced to give us a public debate.
Force the PAP into a corner using legal means...
Sigh, you guys talk about changing the leading party..and when asked to do so, you guys just think it is impossible.
Sigh, is singapore in such a pathetic state?
Where the most vocal anti-PAP people here only dare to talk about actions.
The last time I've read in regards about the law, a petition is legal.
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Lee Kuan Yew must be dead first before there can be any political change in Singapore.
That is my position.
As long as that bastard is alive, few would want to make moves.
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Political debate??? No need debate, PAP always wins. lky ever stated that it is not a fair game.
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TS still does not know the PAP well. Shake my head. Naive.
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FEER defamed PM, MM
23Sep08To nobody’s surprise, Lee Kuan Yew and Lee Hsien Loong have won their defamation suit against the Far Eastern Economic Review. Straits Times:
THE High Court has ruled that the publisher and editor of the Far Eastern Economic Review (Feer) defamed Minister Mentor Lee Kuan Yew and Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong in a July 2006 article in the magazine.
The Lees were awarded damages, which will be assessed at a later date.
Review Publishing and Mr Hugo Restall are also restrained from publishing, selling or disseminating the libellous allegations in Singapore. …
In its defence, the Hong Kong-based magazine argued that the article - titled ‘Singapore’s ‘Martyr’, Chee Soon Juan’ - was based on facts and fair comment, concerned matters of public interest and was a neutral report.
But Justice Woo said Feer’s defences failed or did not apply in Singapore.
http://leewatch.info/2008/09/23/feer
Dow Jones seen to appeal Singapore ruling
Dow Jones is expected to appeal a defamation ruling by a Singapore supreme court judge against the Far Eastern Economic Review that was brought by two of the city-state’s top officials, potentially setting the stage for a legal showdown in Hong Kong, where the monthly magazine is based.
Although the Singapore courts have not yet held a hearing to assess damages, Feer has no assets in Singapore that could be seized. If Lee Hsien Loong, the Singapore prime minister, and Lee Kuan Yew, his father and former prime minister, decide to collect damages, they would have to go to the Hong Kong courts.
If that happens, Feer will seek to prevent enforcement of the Singapore judgment in Hong Kong. One of the arguments they plan to make against enforcement will involve a challenge to the impartiality of the Singapore judicial system.
The looming legal battle comes as the Singapore government this month sued the Asian edition of the Wall Street Journal, another Dow Jones publication, for contempt of court after it published editorial comments that “impugn the impartiality, intergrity and independence of the Singapore judiciary,” according to Walter Woon, the city-state’s attorney general.
“Our editorial pages have a history of defending free speech and free markets, while providing a forum for a diverse range of views. We will continue to defend our right to fulfill our mission and fully intend to contest the contempt proceedings brought against us by the Attorney-General of Singapore,” Dow Jones said on Thursday.
Woo Bih Li, a supreme court judge, ruled this week that Feer had defamed the Lees in an 2006 article.
The judge held that the article in which Chee Juan Soon, an opposition politician, compared the government to a local charity that had engaged in mismanagement constituted “defamation by implication.”
Feer argued that the article amounted to fair comment, but the judge dismissed the defence and said it did not apply in Singapore.
“It is notable that court has determined that the public interest privilege that is available in the UK and other commonwealth countries, is not applicable in Singapore,” said Dow Jones. Singapore, a former British colony, bases its legal system on that of the UK.
Mr Woon told Reuters this week that the Journal had previously “accused our judges of being biased” and “this smacks to me of an ideological campaign.”
Singapore’s government and leaders have sued other leading foreign publications for defamation, saying the suits are necessary to protect the country’s reputation for integrity.
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Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:
FEER defamed PM, MM
23Sep08To nobody’s surprise, Lee Kuan Yew and Lee Hsien Loong have won their defamation suit against the Far Eastern Economic Review. Straits Times:
THE High Court has ruled that the publisher and editor of the Far Eastern Economic Review (Feer) defamed Minister Mentor Lee Kuan Yew and Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong in a July 2006 article in the magazine.
The Lees were awarded damages, which will be assessed at a later date.
Review Publishing and Mr Hugo Restall are also restrained from publishing, selling or disseminating the libellous allegations in Singapore. …
In its defence, the Hong Kong-based magazine argued that the article - titled ‘Singapore’s ‘Martyr’, Chee Soon Juan’ - was based on facts and fair comment, concerned matters of public interest and was a neutral report.
But Justice Woo said Feer’s defences failed or did not apply in Singapore.
http://leewatch.info/2008/09/23/feer
Dow Jones seen to appeal Singapore ruling
Dow Jones is expected to appeal a defamation ruling by a Singapore supreme court judge against the Far Eastern Economic Review that was brought by two of the city-state’s top officials, potentially setting the stage for a legal showdown in Hong Kong, where the monthly magazine is based.
Although the Singapore courts have not yet held a hearing to assess damages, Feer has no assets in Singapore that could be seized. If Lee Hsien Loong, the Singapore prime minister, and Lee Kuan Yew, his father and former prime minister, decide to collect damages, they would have to go to the Hong Kong courts.
If that happens, Feer will seek to prevent enforcement of the Singapore judgment in Hong Kong. One of the arguments they plan to make against enforcement will involve a challenge to the impartiality of the Singapore judicial system.
The looming legal battle comes as the Singapore government this month sued the Asian edition of the Wall Street Journal, another Dow Jones publication, for contempt of court after it published editorial comments that “impugn the impartiality, intergrity and independence of the Singapore judiciary,” according to Walter Woon, the city-state’s attorney general.
“Our editorial pages have a history of defending free speech and free markets, while providing a forum for a diverse range of views. We will continue to defend our right to fulfill our mission and fully intend to contest the contempt proceedings brought against us by the Attorney-General of Singapore,” Dow Jones said on Thursday.
Woo Bih Li, a supreme court judge, ruled this week that Feer had defamed the Lees in an 2006 article.
The judge held that the article in which Chee Juan Soon, an opposition politician, compared the government to a local charity that had engaged in mismanagement constituted “defamation by implication.”
Feer argued that the article amounted to fair comment, but the judge dismissed the defence and said it did not apply in Singapore.
“It is notable that court has determined that the public interest privilege that is available in the UK and other commonwealth countries, is not applicable in Singapore,” said Dow Jones. Singapore, a former British colony, bases its legal system on that of the UK.
Mr Woon told Reuters this week that the Journal had previously “accused our judges of being biased” and “this smacks to me of an ideological campaign.”
Singapore’s government and leaders have sued other leading foreign publications for defamation, saying the suits are necessary to protect the country’s reputation for integrity.
Singapore’s government and leaders have sued other leading foreign publications for defamation, saying the suits are necessary to protect the country’s reputation for integrity.
Tell the evil lees not to make use of the reputation of the country to get what they want. It is their selfish interests, their own personal reputation they are protecting not the country. Singapore = lky and lhl ---> X
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it's not LKY fault that the foreign publications is defective and cannot make reports that won't get sued. if they have the proper source and stuff to back up their claims, and their reports are true, how to sue them?
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Sigh, is singapore in such a pathetic state?
Political situation yes.
It is quite pathetic.
You must understand that Singapore is an autocratic state under the rule of the PAP.
But humans can't live forever.
Once you reach the age of 85, how many more years can you go?
You tell me, how many more years?
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I hope this ruling doesnt succeed. Imagine if an over the border sue for 'defamation' succeeds i don't see where this will end anymore, there will be no place safe from the grasp of the SG judciary over 'defamation'.. And defamation man WTF does a government need reputation in the first place
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LHL will be shaking in his boots the day that happens. Rote learning ministers have no balls to debate I bet u.
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Originally posted by skythewood:
it's not LKY fault that the foreign publications is defective and cannot make reports that won't get sued. if they have the proper source and stuff to back up their claims, and their reports are true, how to sue them?
Their source is Dr Chee.
What a laugh!
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Oh man! Now watching the McCain - Obama debate live.
They are tearing into each other very subtlely. Cool....Imagine that debate happening between Low Thia Khiang, Sylvia Lim (or even CSJ!) and LHL or Wong KS.
They'd wld be shaking in their boots!
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Originally posted by yamizi:
angel so cute until i wanna sian =P
haha
Sian your head!!! u r suppose to be practising monkhood, how can u sian a gal from joo chiat pubs. Are u out of your mind.
And how come u didn't turn UP..me wait n wait at the counter of club 88