Race and Nationality ?
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Originally posted by rockfire:
Agree with u 70%, I don't believe in coincidental. There are reasons behind something we do. That why we do it
Nobody can help you if you don't believe in coincidental.Maybe you want to ask Deng Xiaoping and Mao Zedong?
It's just a label, I wouldn't worry too much into it.
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Originally posted by googoomuck:
Also from Wiki:
The concept is coined by Tunku Abdul Rahman. A number of ethnic groups collectively become bumiputras. It has become a race. It does not have to be stated in identity cards. It's in the constitution.
The reason is to prevent the minority non-natives from controlling the country's economy.
What's wrong with nationality Chinese for PRC workers? They are Chinese, aren't they? I have not yet seen any PRC workers from other minor ethnic groups except the Hans.
Don't talk nonsense. Where can you find PURE HAN people in China and the world nowadays?During the Qing Dynasty, the Manchurians already liberated China and dignified all the Chinese women with their babies.
Check your family tree lor, you might be the descendants of Yelu Qi, but I'm the descendants of Yang Guo and Xiao Longnv.
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Originally posted by parn:
Don't talk nonsense. Where can you find PURE HAN people in China and the world nowadays?During the Qing Dynasty, the Manchurians already liberated China and dignified all the Chinese women with their babies.
Check your family tree lor, you might be the descendants of Yelu Qi, but I'm the descendants of Yang Guo and Xiao Longnv.
Who's talking nonsense?
Did I say pure? So, no Manchu women married Han men?
What's the population of the Manchus? Is Manchu language an Official language in China? It's the Manchus who has assimilated with the Hans, not the other way round.
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Originally posted by Short Ninja:
I have a suggestion,why not call everybody SIngaporean and forget about putting the race in the ID just like the Thais.You can call yourself a SIngh ,Malay ,Chinese or anything at home but the moment you meet other people outside you become one with them.
I totally agree, do away with race in the ID and just call ourselves Singaporeans. There is no need to differentiate by race.
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Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:
That is true, could be part of a PAP regime's agenda of destroying the chinese dialects groups in Singapore.
Indian, malay groups, they divide them up, keep them divided, while chinese they may want to destroy all dialect groups and unite them into one solid solid group.
A futile effort if there is indeed such a policy.
You have to go ask Lee Kuan Yew.
It's all about cohesion and communication. Like you are communicating in English in this forum and not your dialect.
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Originally posted by googoomuck:
Who's talking nonsense?
Did I say pure? So, no Manchu women married Han men?
What's the population of the Manchus? Is Manchu language an Official language in China? It's the Manchus who has assimilated with the Hans, not the other way round.
then what about the Mongol?? just wondering why all of us make a big fuss over the race column in our IC, we should be proud of our own race, otherwise you are a total disgrace. -
Originally posted by googoomuck:
Who's talking nonsense?
Did I say pure? So, no Manchu women married Han men?
What's the population of the Manchus? Is Manchu language an Official language in China? It's the Manchus who has assimilated with the Hans, not the other way round.
It means the HAN people that you're looking for, does not exists in this world anymore.If you not looking for pure Han...then why you use the word Hans people? You don't know how to use the word Chinese Nationals is it?
All of them already become rojak descendants....unlike me, descendant of Yang Guo and Xiao Long nv.
Would you like to see my Ice Bed?
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Whats with the word RACE..
Ethnicity is a much better word .
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It's all about cohesion and communication. Like you are communicating in English in this forum and not your dialect.
If only it was that simple.
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Racials riots are things of the past dont you feel more civilise now as a Singaporean?
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Racials riots are things of the past dont you feel more civilise now as a Singaporean?
Can you clarify?
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I dont think that the 21st century Singaporeans are ethnocentric people.It was a good thing to get rid of the dialect groups so as to make the Chinese feel more unified and might be good for the Indians too,as for the Malays they don't seem to have a racial identity problem
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Originally posted by Short Ninja:
I dont think that the 21st century Singaporeans are ethnocentric people.It was a good thing to get rid of the dialect groups so as to make the Chinese feel more unified and might be good for the Indians too,as for the Malays they don't seem to have a racial identity problem
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Originally posted by parn:
Don't talk nonsense. Where can you find PURE HAN people in China and the world nowadays?During the Qing Dynasty, the Manchurians already liberated China and dignified all the Chinese women with their babies.
Check your family tree lor, you might be the descendants of Yelu Qi, but I'm the descendants of Yang Guo and Xiao Longnv.
So parn does not exist in real world but only in novel world? -
Originally posted by yamizi:
How do you define getting rid of dialect groups for the Chinese?Like this means I have to quote Poh Ah Pak 'You have to ask Lee Kuan Yew'
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It was a good thing to get rid of the dialect groups so as to make the Chinese feel more unified
What about migration issue?
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Chinese go out more Chinese come in =What issue>LOL
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Nation building failure.
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Originally posted by angel7030:
when all things had changed, why u still pledge a 60's motto, time to change ya
from what i know i start to learn the pledge in 80s. don't know if it from 60s ? -
Originally posted by googoomuck:
Also from Wiki:
The concept is coined by Tunku Abdul Rahman. A number of ethnic groups collectively become bumiputras. It has become a race. It does not have to be stated in identity cards. It's in the constitution.
The reason is to prevent the minority non-natives from controlling the country's economy.
What's wrong with nationality Chinese for PRC workers? They are Chinese, aren't they? I have not yet seen any PRC workers from other minor ethnic groups except the Hans.
I don't want to comment about tunku cause i scare out of my topic.
There is nothing wrong about nationality of PRC but i just want to know. with one is correct, Race chinese for singapore IC or nationality chinese for PRC Work permit? Example (nationality) people of India is indian. singapore singaporean, malaysia is malaysian thailand is thais ?
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I think use "citizenship" as a term is better.
Citizenship: PRC
Ethnic: Mongolian
Citizenship: Singapore
Ethnic: Sikh
etc.
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Pls brother & sister stay in the course don't run of the topic I don't want to cause any unhealthy incident. Thanks brother & sister from different race and ethnic. my topic is what is the different in Race & Nationality. not only Chinese but for all singaporean. we have alot of Race in singapore.
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For Singaporean Chinese the race in the IC stated Chinese, for china worker holding work permit their Nationality it stated Chinese, so just wandering Chinese is it a nationality or a race?
In this case, "chinese" is used as ethnic description in my opinion.
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Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:
I think use "citizenship" as a term is better.
Citizenship: PRC
Ethnic: Mongolian
Citizenship: Singapore
Ethnic: Sikh
etc.
yeah agree with u broo about citizenship. you bring up about sikh from what i know correct me if I am wrong, you can't have religion stated on your IC, Silk is a religion, singh is their ethnic or Race. Any singh can correct me? thanks -
According to wiki:
Most Sikhs are from the Punjabi people and now come from the Punjab region, although significant communities exist around the world.