Is the grass really greener on the other side ?
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By Lim Yii Tong, Guest Columnist
During our usual weekend get-together at my mother-in-law’s place at Yong Peng (Malaysia), there will invariably be heated discussions on politics by relatives from both sides of the causeway.
The usual Singaporean complaint about rising costs, ERPs and influx of foreigners seems more of a minor irritant than an important concern to the Malaysians.
“At least your government functions” quipped Chin, my brother-in-law. “Over here, the politicians just talk, NATO only. They have been saying they will renovate the Chinese schools since the 1980s during every election, but once it is over, they disappear as well !”
Another brother-in-law is trying to get his two kids enrol in a primary school in Singapore. “Never mind what school, as long it is in Singapore, it will surely be better here !”, he acclaimed.
I almost want to dissuade him from doing so as I am not keen for my kids to be educated in the Singapore school system.
I am a true blue Singaporean, born here, receive my education from primary to university level here, serve national service, work, married and settled down here in the land of my birth.
I am in my mid 30s, have 2 wonderful kids (a third one coming in December), earn a comfortable working as a system engineer in an IT consultancy film and lives in a private apartment still being paid for by my CPF - a typical middle class Singaporean.
Yet, I still do not feel satisfied or secure about my present life. Will I be able to maintain the same standard of living and qualify of life in the future ?
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The Singapore I live in now is so different from the Singapore I grew up in. I received my primary education at a neighborhood school in Toa Payoh, right in the middle of the HDB heartland.
I had fond memories of the time I spent playing hip-hop, “tor ka” (one-legged catch up), “gor li” (marble), ti-kam and catching frogs and spiders with my friends from all races. There were few foreigners then and life is so much simpler.
Now, I see mainland Chinese and Indians almost everywhere speaking in their native tongues with an unmistakable foreign accent. My company just employed two Chinese IT engineers. My boss likes them - they are “cheap”, good, doesn’t complain as much as Singaporeans and more importantly, they do not need to serve reservist !
I can understand the need for us to import more foreigners in to keep Singapore competitive, but not at the expense of citizens who are born and bred here. It is true that we are a land of immigrants. However, we are the descendents of immigrants who have made Singapore our home compared to those foreigners who just come here and make a living.
During the last economic downturn, a few of my seniors were retrenched with little or no compensation. Their places were replaced by foreigners. I shudder at the thought whether I will end up like them in the future. Why not ? After all, it does make economic sense for the company to recruit a foreign Masters graduate with less pay than a local one. How am I going to start afresh at the age of 40 ? Who is going to employ me ? Can I support my family ?
There is a new security guard in my office building in his mid-50s. He used to be a Warrant Officer in the SAF. Asked why he has taken up this job, he readily admits given a choice, he rather retire and look after his grandchildren, but at his age, he still have to earn a living to support himself as his children are all tied up with their own families.
“The government wants us to work till the age of 85 and now wants us to buy what ‘death insurance’ (annuity) ! Who will know when we will kick the bucket !” he laments. When will I ever see my CPF monies ? Do I have to wait till I am 85, frail, sick and dying before I can “enjoy” the fruits of my years of hard labor?
My eldest boy is 3 years old currently under the care of my parents. I am still pondering whether to send him to a special school for pre-schoolers where they are given “special” education to give them a headstart to life.
My neighbour’s child is in such a school. During the weekend, she has to attend “special” arithmetic, piano and ballet classes. A few weeks ago, there is a furore in the papers over the number of Singaporeans who have to pursue their tertiary education overseas because they are not “good” enough for local universities. At a cousin’s convocation at NTU 2 months ago, almost half the cohort of graduates are foreigners.
Do I really want to send my children to a tough, rigorous and in a way merciless education system where they will be under tremendous stress to perform and excel ? What if they are unable to pursue their interests in life here or their grades are not good enough to qualify for a local university ? Do I have the means to send them overseas for their tertiary education ?
My wife has been persuading me to emigrate to Australia. Her parents are living in Melbourne and apparently according to her, are enjoying the best years of their lives there. “They don’t have to work at all, healthcare is free and the state government even pays them a monthly stipend ! Now every weekend, they just travel around in the countryside, you know Australia is so huge !”, she will whisper repeatedly like a tape recorder into my ears every night before we sleep. “But the aussie taxes are high too !” I retort. “Yeah, but that is the price to pay for security, my dear, security for the future. And the kids, their education is completely free too, we do not have to worry about anything !”
Is the grass really greener on the other side ? I keep asking myself. Life is not too bad for me now. To the Malaysians, Singapore is like a paradise. Why should I forsake my land of birth which has nurtured me all these years ?
Though I have occasional grouses against the government, I must admit that the PAP is a good government which truly take care of its people and have the foresight to plan far ahead into the future when politicians in a neighboring country are still squabbling over who to become the Prime Minister. We Singaporeans do not realize how fortunate we are to have everything running so smoothly in the country.
While I do not doubt the capability of the government, I have little affliation or feelings for them. I cannot claim I support or love them. The only time I hear about our leaders is from the media when they will exhort Singaporeans to do this or that.
I have never voted in my entire life. I do not know which constituency I am in. I can’t even recognize my MPs if I were to meet them down the street. Yet I was told again and again during every election that I gave them the “mandate” to govern my life when I was never given a choice to choose ! Can anybody tell me what is being debated now in Parliament ? Does it matter at all ? Are my opinions ever sought out by the lawmakers ?
There was a report lately that Singapore has the 2nd highest migration rate (26 per 1,000) in the world after Timor Leste (51 per 1,000). The government doesn’t seem to understand why Singaporeans are leaving in droves. From their speeches, it is obvious they have lost touch completely with the ordinary people on the ground.
When they keep urging Singaporeans to continue working for as long as they can, they fail to realize that a majority of us just want to retire and enjoy life in our golden years. They harp on how far Singapore has progressed in terms of facts and figures to convince us that Singapore is the place to be - we have the 2nd highest GDP in Asia after Japan, the most business-friendly country, the best judiciary after Hong Kong etc, but these mean little to me and far less to those old folks you encounter picking card boards and cans from the rubbish heap for a living.
The government cannot blame Singaporeans for being self-centred, unpatriotic and selfish. Human nature is such that we always want the best for ourselves and our familes. Though we live for the 5Cs, we are in fact suckers for 3 simple Ss - serenity, stability and security. A future with little security is a major push factor for many Singaporeans. To those ministers, MPs and top civil servants who are earning an astronomical five to six-figure monthly salary and guaranteed a pension for life upon retirement, it may be too much to ask of them to understand what “security” means for a Singaporean bringing home only a few thousand dollars at the end of the month.
During my NS days, I was a guards officer. I still feel proud of my guards tag on my No 4 when I go for my reservist training. However, I do not feel my contributions to the nation all these years are recognized at the place where I work. My boss treasures the PRC engineers more because in a way, they are “better qualified” than the locals. After all, Singapore is a meritocracy, it doesn’t matter whether you are a citizen or not, the system rewards those who perform best though these high-flyers may only be making use of Singapore as a transit point to greener pastures.
A PRC colleague of mine has got a job in Perth. He just received Singaporean his citizenship last year and now he is making preparations to relocate his entire family to Australia. We got along together quite well. Unlike other foreigners who keep to their own cliques, he mingles around with the locals and appears to be well integrated into our society. Why does he want to leave Singapore after barely settling down here ? “Well, the truth is, Singapore is only a spring board for me. I never want to live here. It’s not too bad a place, but it is too small for me.” he volunteers readily when asked. “Why not you come over to Australia too ? The grass is definitely greener over there.”
Tell me, is this really true ?
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I have never voted in my entire life. I do not know which constituency I am in. I can’t even recognize my MPs if I were to meet them down the street.
Wu Hia Bo?
Don't even know which GRC you are in but come and write political article?
You kid who?
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Originally posted by MoLanYong:
By Lim Yii Tong, Guest Columnist
During our usual weekend get-together at my mother-in-law’s place at Yong Peng (Malaysia), there will invariably be heated discussions on politics by relatives from both sides of the causeway.
The usual Singaporean complaint about rising costs, ERPs and influx of foreigners seems more of a minor irritant than an important concern to the Malaysians.
“At least your government functions” quipped Chin, my brother-in-law. “Over here, the politicians just talk, NATO only. They have been saying they will renovate the Chinese schools since the 1980s during every election, but once it is over, they disappear as well !”
Another brother-in-law is trying to get his two kids enrol in a primary school in Singapore. “Never mind what school, as long it is in Singapore, it will surely be better here !”, he acclaimed.
I almost want to dissuade him from doing so as I am not keen for my kids to be educated in the Singapore school system.
I am a true blue Singaporean, born here, receive my education from primary to university level here, serve national service, work, married and settled down here in the land of my birth.
I am in my mid 30s, have 2 wonderful kids (a third one coming in December), earn a comfortable working as a system engineer in an IT consultancy film and lives in a private apartment still being paid for by my CPF - a typical middle class Singaporean.
Yet, I still do not feel satisfied or secure about my present life. Will I be able to maintain the same standard of living and qualify of life in the future ?
Read rest of article here
if u look at the link
in the quote above,
the wrong info,as quoted by SDP Dr CHEE SOON JUAN appears again.
The original writer ,a PROFESSOR,thinks that SG is the second
worst country in the world in losing population.In fact,he misinterpretated CIA
info.The fact is just the opposite.
THE WRONG INFO,MISUNTERPRETATED CIA INFO
There was a report lately that Singapore has the 2nd highest migration rate (26 per 1,000) in the world after Timor Leste (51 per 1,000).
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2112rank.html
16Singapore 6.88 2008 est. An excess of persons entering the country is referred to as net immigration (e.g., 3.56 migrants/1,000 population); an excess of persons leaving the country as net emigration (e.g., -9.26 migrants/1,000 population).
can u see it is postitive?Thats is net increase!!
FYI,SG total population increase by 13% or 575,000 from 2005 till 2008.
Statistics Singapore - Theme on Population
While 2 migrate to AUSTRALIA,one leave
Again,it is about perception,reality and figures.
I am not saying Oz is no good.
But is it fair when u say it is damn good in Oz,
why dunt u tell the reality?
But i suspect how many people know
While 2 migrate to AUSTRALIA,one leave.
Among those leave,half were born in Australia!!
below--while 2 join Oz.But another one leave.
5.1 PERMANENT ARRIVALS AND PERMANENT DEPARTURES, Australia
below---among those leave,half born in Oz!!
5.3 PERMANENT DEPARTURES, Australia - Country of birth
http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/[email protected]/Latestproducts/3412.0Feature%20Article22006-07?opendocument&tabname=Summary&prodno=3412.0&issue=2006-07&num=&view=
My wife has been persuading me to emigrate to Australia. Her parents are living in Melbourne and apparently according to her, are enjoying the best years of their lives there. “They don’t have to work at all, healthcare is free and the state government even pays them a monthly stipend ! Now every weekend, they just travel around in the countryside, you know Australia is so huge !”,
My point----
if oz is so damn good,why 60,000 leave in a year?
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again,this writer just show u one side of the coin
how baout those leaving?
Housing may be flat, but its future has a solid foundation
Further out, fundamentally positive factors remain in place. Immigration - a key factor in the long-term up-trend of house prices - remains high. Immigration is at 188,000-a-year against a long-term average of 110,000.
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net migration is one thing...
migration is another....
fact is... 26 per 1000 migration is still very high.
even though there is actually more people coming in.
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I do hope there are heavens,in overall better than the one i am staying.
It is naive, if not foolish ,just to look at one or certain
points.However,many just remember one or few things
which they are not happy in the current country.
They forget they are ok or enjoying many other benefits.
My point is do a overall assessment.
For example,many think Oz provide many welfares.
I have no objections becos i dunt know the details.
i assume it is.ok?
But have do u know other current or potential problems?
Eg few hospitails cant get enough supplies for dailt \operation,like cottons!!
Some threats:
'Now or never' to act on Queensland nurse shortage
The Queensland Nurses Union said the state needs an extra 14,000 nurses within six years and condemned the Bligh government's piecemeal approach to the looming problem.
can u train a nurse in overnight?
u may not happy with some foreign nurses in SG,make up a quarter of nurse force...
But which options u prefer:
lack of nurses in SG or
enough nurses but one in four is foreign nurses?
There is no prefer policy,mates.
There is only the best policy.But many of the best policy are
politically NOT correct,but practically correct.
Unfortunately.many politicians too afraid losing votes and make
the public favours policy!!
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THE busiest maternity hospital in NSW is on track to deliver 5500 babies this year, despite being built for only 4000, raising fears for patient safety.
"During one 24-hour period last week, staff at Royal Prince Alfred Women and Babies in Camperdown delivered 25 babies in a unit designed for 14 a day."
Safety fears as maternity units overflow in NSW
FYI, SINGAPORE is the safest place to deliver a baby in
the WORLD!!
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2091rank.html
..Ranking...............................................Infant mortality rate
...................................................................(deaths/1,000 live births)196 out of 222Australia 4.82....... 2008 est. 222 out of 222Singapore 2.30...... 2008 est. ,,,,
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Originally posted by skythewood:
net migration is one thing...
migration is another....
fact is... 26 per 1000 migration is still very high.
even though there is actually more people coming in.
They are trading in bad people for good people.
Bad money drives out good money. -- Gresham Law.
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Who cares whether it is greener on the other side or not.
The important thing is to make this a less stressful place to live by getting rid of dishonorable public money grabbing despots.
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Whether the grass is greener or browner on the other side is very subjective, it's up for the individual to decide based on the merits of both countries, I seriously anyone could provide an unbias judgement. You might like bananas, but others might like kiwi fruit.
What the PAP cadres are trying to do here is damage control, trying to dissuade potential emigrants from making the move. If you truly want a fair representation, then maybe they should release statistics for those who immigrated and those who returned because they thought they made a mistake about the pastures over on the other side, like out of the 100% that emigrated, how many actually returned back to be Singaporeans.
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i have never seen anyone like LN that has a such a great dislike for oz, and could be due to the fact that his application IS REJECTED by the Oz immigration. and what do sour grapes people do? yup, they will go on posting heaps of msgs to discredit the land of oz so that the effort can have some temporary soothing effects on his hurt ego.
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Originally posted by fishbuff1:
i have never seen anyone like LN that has a such a great dislike for oz, and could be due to the fact that his application IS REJECTED by the Oz immigration. and what do sour grapes people do? yup, they will go on posting heaps of msgs to discredit the land of oz so that the effort can have some temporary soothing effects on his hurt ego.
lionnoisy will be rejected for immigration application for ALL Alphabets using countries.
Maybe lionnoisy can consider emigrating to countries that still uses hieroglyphics.
Makes one wonder doesn't it, does language have any influence on one's level of intelligence.
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What makes the grass greener on the other side ?
How does one measure this ?
Should we determine the "Value for money" aspect - as a form of measure ?
How much can you stretch the money that you earn each month to fulfill "all that you hoped or dream for" ?
There will always be a list of issues that irks the individuals, some are irritating, while some can be more troublesome, and others even burning.
Why not create a list of issues and find out how many issues are in each categorized weighted list of "burning", "troublesome" and "irritating" ?
As far as I can see, with the changes in the social contract that this PAP Government has created following the 2002 Economic Downturn, where Singaporeans are now encouraged to accept "Short Term Employment Contract" - that provide employers to hire and fire at time of economic recessions - Singaporeans are no longer in any position to plan long term.
Housing will become the most burning issue in this new socio-economic arrangement that the PAP Government has created.
Can home ownership continue in the old ways, where 20 + 20 per cent of a worker's wage is locked up in the CPF ?
During economic downturn - with no social welfare and the CPF locked - the worker is expected to survive on his own ingenuity even as the short-term renewable contract give the employer the trump card in some fixed retrenchment pay-out.
Under such new arrangement, long term planning to fund the home-ownership, the continuing education of one-self and the children becomes a more challenging task, and add new stress to one's life.
Added to these problems will be the Cost-of-Living issues - in which the growth rate of our wages are fixed by the NWC and not by "free market" mechanism, while the necessities that we need are subject to the whims of "supply and demand" influences that no mechanism can control.
The list can continue in any way according to our individual priorities, and compare with our individual perception of what has been researched from the other side of the Fence, it is left to our own value judgment to determine if the otherside is greener.
If the "Political Issues" on both sides of the Fence are pushed aside, and our vision focused on the immediate issues of the three listed above, one can see that the Grass can be greener on the other side.
Having established this fact, one has to look at other issues that include "Security - public and personal", "Opportunities for oneself or one's family" to progress or to regress, and of course the very subjective "Quality of Life" compare to the present experience.
The "Quality of Life" is based on a very subjective value system tied to one's preferences and idiosyncracies that no one can describe or even criticise.
Amongst individuals, there maybe some points that will co-incide in appearing on the same list, but will probably hold different prioritised positions in the list.
All in all, when push come to shove, and there are no longer familiar ties to hold one down, and the magnetic pull is stronger from the other side - when one has to go, one will go.
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Originally posted by fishbuff1:
i have never seen anyone like LN that has a such a great dislike for oz, and could be due to the fact that his application IS REJECTED by the Oz immigration. and what do sour grapes people do? yup, they will go on posting heaps of msgs to discredit the land of oz so that the effort can have some temporary soothing effects on his hurt ego.
Camels have been successfully merged into the Australian environment, so has rabbits, and some other animals that followed the early migrants.Lions being a fast breeder will surely pose a danger to all existing warm blooded animals, and obviously had to be prevented by all means from being accepted into Ozland.
Can the kangaroo exist to compete with the Lions ?
One has to go, and since Ozland has never been a natural habitat for lions, it is easy to bar it from entering - as it pose a danger not only to all warm blooded animals but to Humans living and trekking freely in the open range.
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when one has to go, one will go.
after u confirm u will stay in any country for good,
pl mail back your Passport and withdraw all your CPF
which the poor SG gavaman have to pay u 2.5% to 4%
GUARANTEE interest to various acounts.
Thanks.
Dunt tell many bad things of Singapore every day.But every year
receive the benefits via CPF accounts while collecting
good rentals from HDB,condo and landed in SG!!
Be a man.Dunt step on two boats!!
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1.RB accepts $8.7bn ANZ and Westpac loans - RNZ
8:05AM Sunday Oct 26, 2008
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10539469
2.ANZ, Westpac units internally securitise NZ$8.7 b RMBS
A$100 billion worth of RMBS have been securitised internally by banks in Australia,
.http://www.hemscott.com/news/static/tfn/item.do?newsId=69140383554390
Have Oz and NZ Reserve Banks socialised the loss of banks by buying
residential mortgage-backed securities (RMBS)?
Of course it will help the liquity of banks.
But how do u value RMBS?
Will the taxpayers in the end become LONG TERM UNWILLING mortgagees?
Will the accounts books of reserve banks swamped with
forecloused empty houses?
More than A$100 billion (NZ$65.88 billion) worth of RMBS have been securitised internally by banks in Australia, where the central bank also now accepts them as collateral.
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Originally posted by lionnoisy:
after u confirm u will stay in any country for good,
pl mail back your Passport and withdraw all your CPF
which the poor SG gavaman have to pay u 2.5% to 4%
GUARANTEE interest to various acounts.
Thanks.
Dunt tell many bad things of Singapore every day.But every year
receive the benefits via CPF accounts while collecting
good rentals from HDB,condo and landed in SG!!
Be a man.Dunt step on two boats!!
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Yes.
They pay you 2.5% to 4% (medisave which you can never withdraw and they always increase the medical cost), after they get total shareholder returns of 20% from Temasek.
Why not pay CPF members what Temasek is earning?
The profits from Temasek comes from overcharging, like Singapore Power, the Telcos, "Public" Transport and Cable TV.
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Originally posted by lionnoisy:
after u confirm u will stay in any country for good,
pl mail back your Passport and withdraw all your CPF
which the poor SG gavaman have to pay u 2.5% to 4%
GUARANTEE interest to various acounts.
Thanks.
Dunt tell many bad things of Singapore every day.But every year
receive the benefits via CPF accounts while collecting
good rentals from HDB,condo and landed in SG!!
Be a man.Dunt step on two boats!!
,,,Lionnoisy.. aiyo.. why you so childish one ?
You know what the GIC do with the money or not har ? If you donno.. please go find out can ?
One of your parent don't have a degree issit ?
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lionnoisy,
With the interest rates they are paying in CPF, I doubt anybody can afford retirement.
With CPF interest rates of 2.5%, while inflation at 6.5%, after 10 years, you will find your plate of chicken rice costing $5.63, while the $3 you have in your CPF will only accumulate to $3.84.
How can the average Singaporean afford retirement?
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Originally posted by jojobeach:
Lionnoisy.. aiyo.. why you so childish one ?
You know what the GIC do with the money or not har ? If you donno.. please go find out can ?
One of your parent don't have a degree issit ?
One of your parent don't have a degree issit ?
That's a good one.
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Will Melbourne suffer serious water shortage in near future?
who dunt want to get the best place to stay?
The question is where is the best place to suit u!!
u have to decide your priority.
your careers prospects
your kids education
your parents
freedom and democracy
free from drugs ,gangsters.
water supply!!---no joke.
Dunt take it for granted!!
Melbourne going to get lowest water storge in 11 years--
but research says it is temporary
What if they are wrong.
I think it is critical when the storage level below 40%.
But they seem not so worry.How?
Lowest water storage level in 11 yrs for Mel.
http://www.melbournewater.com.au/content/water/water_storages/water_storages.asp#1
Enlarge graph and view data interactively
In few years,storage can drop 20 percentage points in a calendar year,
Pl note not 20%.eg 2004,it dropped from 60% to 40%.
What will happen if water level drop 15% each year for 2009 and 2010?
Water worries temporary: report
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Christian sure is not the only religion in the world,as in Oz.
But why do
"the Lord's Prayer recited at the beginning of each day of (AUSTRALIA)
federal Parliament."?
Have they considered the feeling of non--Christian?
What do they write in the Oz Constitution?
And u cal this free and democratic country?
Govt, Opposition united in prayer stance--OMG!!
But the Greens want the prayer replaced with a period of reflection and a conscience vote in both houses on the issue.
Speaker of the House of Representatives, Harry Jenkins, has called for a public debate about whether the daily prayer should be rewritten or replaced.
He said the prayer was the most controversial aspect of parliamentary procedure and had been raised with him by MPs and members of the public.
His call has been met with protests from the Australian Christian Lobby and expressions of support for the prayer from Prime Minister Kevin Rudd and Opposition Leader Malcolm Turnbull.
A spokeswoman for Mr Rudd said the Prime minister viewed the prayer as an important tradition that should not be broken.
"The Lord's Prayer is a long-standing tradition of the Australian Parliament and the Prime Minister believes it should continue," she said.
Opposition Leader Malcolm Turnbull and Nationals leader Warren Truss issued a joint statement, saying the removal of the prayer would be unacceptable.
There is nothing more important than Votes,mates!!
So lets keep on praying.
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Originally posted by lionnoisy:
after u confirm u will stay in any country for good,
pl mail back your Passport and withdraw all your CPF
which the poor SG gavaman have to pay u 2.5% to 4%
GUARANTEE interest to various acounts.
Thanks.
Dunt tell many bad things of Singapore every day.But every year
receive the benefits via CPF accounts while collecting
good rentals from HDB,condo and landed in SG!!
Be a man.Dunt step on two boats!!
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Who are you to make apologies for the SG Government, who had created the crisis situation that Singaporeans are experiencing today ?
SG Government poor ?
Surely you must be stupid to attempt to rub salt into the sores created by the "Million Dollar" Ministers - who will ensure that Singapore Wages is controlled even as the Cost of Living has exceeded the wage increases by 1.5 times ?
Either you are dumb to believe that the benefits paid annually into our CPF is a sign of generosity, or you are blind to the fact that the PAP Government is embarrassed by the huge Annual Budget SURPLUS that they have collected through the various tax and revenue collecting mechanism - so much so that they have to pacify the struggling population by returning it to our CPF, which is used again by the Government as cheap loan, or sucked back by the high medical charges.
It is too embarrassing for the PAP Government to cut off the electrical and water supply to the poor, who can hardly keep up to pay rent for their one-room HDB slum, and the MILLION DOLLAR Ministers will pat each others back for the many new ways to design obscure schemes to help the poor that will require the poor to know where to get the help and also to respond to get the help needed.
With the poor out of social circulation and not able to afford a newspaper, can they be expected to know of such help ?
Financial help left un-used will only benefit the Sg Gov, who will boast of even bigger surplusses that justify their higher wage increases.
Meanwhile, more schemes are designed to suck more money from Singaporeans.
Has your lioness stop hunting the food that you need, or has she also gone on strike due to your stupidity in not directing your noise in the right direction ?
Be a man, and stop being a pet Lion that makes noise whether you need food or not - are you depending on the scraps from the table only ?
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Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:
Who cares whether it is greener on the other side or not.
The important thing is to make this a less stressful place to live by getting rid of dishonorable public money grabbing despots.
And replace them with dishonorable public moeny grabbing despots?