Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:That is correct, if you are commited to opposition course and has taken a stand on politics, you have to be careful; defending PAP would carry risks.
For example Yaw Shiong Long, said that he voted for PAP during elections.
But he is WP member.
So what he did was wrong from a political point of view.
Yaw did was wrong from the perspective that he is a member of the WP and that he was a member of AMK GRC competing against PAP. There already exist a conflict of intererst.
Not many people are truly card waving members of any political party. I don't belong to any political party, so I choose to be objective. If PAP needs defending I will do it, if Chiam needs defending I will, if Sylvia needs defending, I will.
I will even go as far as saying if Chee needs defending, I will.... but chee, nah, nothing he has done needed defending.
So having said all that, are you a card waving member of the opposition? Unless you are, you should be objective..... but I think many have realised that being objective is not not one of your strong points.
I don't belong to any political party, so I choose to be objective.
That is not reflected in your posts.
Originally posted by Fantagf:
By saying the above, I don't think you know the ways of LKY. Period.
knowing and caring are two different things. just because i know doesn't mean it matters and i have to care. i'm not a politician, i don't support any side actively. basically i support the govt of sg once they win the election and can govern well.
i'm not as highly educated as some here who can give you eleborate theories, my concerns are rarely above where my next bowl of rice is going to come from and not which leader is going to do what. if possible, migration would be considered if it can give me a better life.
i'm not as noble as those of you who claim to fight for freedom while cursing the deaths of others at the same time. i have my own part to play in society and its not politics. i talk about these issues only as an interest in recent events and not because i want to influence anyone to any side.
plus look at it this way, how many of those who actively participate here again PAP show political maturity? i don't even think they talk that way offline unless they want to be taken as imature, stupid or insane
giving them more seats would not make the opposition stronger
I think more seats in parliament would make opposition's influence in policies stronger.
For eaxmple, PAP dominated parliament recently suka suka amended constitution to deal with reserves.
If parliament opposition had 1/3 seats, PAP cannot do that with impunity.
They will be forced to change their policy.
basically i support the govt of sg once they win the election and can govern well.
So you are happy with PAP?
Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:That is correct, if you are commited to opposition course and has taken a stand on politics, you have to be careful; defending PAP would carry risks.
For example Yaw Shiong Long, said that he voted for PAP during elections.
But he is WP member.
So what he did was wrong from a political point of view.
he's only a member, i don't see any wrong unless he's participating himself. if you want the opposition to be stronger you should strengthen their foundations, not give them more seats they don't deserve, that would only set them up for a fall from a higher place.
if you want the opposition to be stronger you should strengthen their foundations,
I will support both.
Vote for them into parliament and also so called strengthen their foundations.
Originally posted by oldbreadstinks:knowing and caring are two different things. just because i know doesn't mean it matters and i have to care. i'm not a politician, i don't support any side actively. basically i support the govt of sg once they win the election and can govern well.
i'm not as highly educated as some here who can give you eleborate theories, my concerns are rarely above where my next bowl of rice is going to come from and not which leader is going to do what. if possible, migration would be considered if it can give me a better life.
i'm not as noble as those of you who claim to fight for freedom while cursing the deaths of others at the same time. i have my own part to play in society and its not politics. i talk about these issues only as an interest in recent events and not because i want to influence anyone to any side.
plus look at it this way, how many of those who actively participate here again PAP show political maturity? i don't even think they talk that way offline unless they want to be taken as imature, stupid or insane
ha ha ha, by posting the above your are already trying to prove to us you are "noble". You are in fact very damn condescending. Slam others to claim credit to yourself. Not all curse at others, be clear about it.
I am doing my part as a citizen who disagrees with the ways of the ruling party within my own capacity. I am not blind to support any ruling party when we know that they are more self serving than anything. Support should not be given bllindly. Just because they are the ruling party, I must agree and support them, no way! I am not blind and dumb.
Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:So you are happy with PAP?
This is blindly supporting a party which has proven too many times that they are self serving. I don't condone blind support.
Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:I think more seats in parliament would make opposition's influence in policies stronger.
For eaxmple, PAP dominated parliament recently suka suka amended constitution to deal with reserves.
If parliament opposition had 1/3 seats, PAP cannot do that with impunity.
They will be forced to change their policy.
with thats what you have in mind they'll lose their seat after on term once the public find out they're still the same caliber.
Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:So you are happy with PAP?
i'm content i don't get robbed on the way home.
Originally posted by oldbreadstinks:i'm content i don't get robbed on the way home.
ha ha ha, not everyone in every country gets robbed. I don't get robbed. ha ha ha, what a joke.
PAP suka suka have power to amend constitution, that is too dangerous.
I oppose.
I will vote for opposition.
i'm content i don't get robbed on the way home.
You have quite low expectations from government.
Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:PAP suka suka have power to amend constitution, that is too dangerous.
I oppose.
I will vote for opposition.
The prob is no everyone is aware of this fact and even some do they don't see the danger. Sinkaporeans really pathetically are showing indifference and ignorant. NO hope liao!
Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:You have quite low expectations from government.
Sounds very outdated in thinking.
Originally posted by Fantagf:ha ha ha, by posting the above your are already trying to prove to us you are "noble". You are in fact very damn condescending. Slam others to claim credit to yourself. Not all curse at others, be clear about it.
I am doing my part as a citizen who disagrees with the ways of the ruling party within my own capacity. I am not blind to support any ruling party when we know that they are more self serving than anything. Support should not be given bllindly. Just because they are the ruling party, I must agree and support them, no way! I am not blind and dumb.
i don't see how my concern for my own rice bowl makes me noble? never denied i would run if going get bad also? and as for credit, can't see that either? what type of credit am i claiming? my post only shows i'm apathetic where politics are concern.
as for cursing, everyone knows who curses the most here there's no need to clarify anything.
The prob is no everyone is aware of this fact and even some do they don't see the danger. Sinkaporeans really pathetically are showing indifference and ignorant.
Cannot blame.
Their minds are being conditioned and depoliticised by state media.
NO hope liao!
After Lee Kuan Yew is dead, new era will begin.
That is why I want him to die.
Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:You have quite low expectations from government.
i don't see why i need to have high expections from them, i only need them to leave me alone to live my own life.
why don't you tell me what you expect?
Originally posted by oldbreadstinks:i don't see how my concern for my own rice bowl makes me noble? never denied i would run if going get bad also? and as for credit, can't see that either? what type of credit am i claiming? my post only shows i'm apathetic where politics are concern.
as for cursing, everyone knows who curses the most here there's no need to clarify anything.
The prob with you is you are unhappy that people are disagreeing with the ways of the ruling party. If you don't mind their ways of being so self serving does not mean others don't mind.
Originally posted by Fantagf:ha ha ha, not everyone in every country gets robbed. I don't get robbed. ha ha ha, what a joke.
tell that to the people who live in JB. just because not everyone get robbed there doesn't mean its not an issue
why don't you tell me what you expect?
I expect reforms to improve life in Singapore.
It's that simple.
Originally posted by oldbreadstinks:i don't see why i need to have high expections from them, i only need them to leave me alone to live my own life.
why don't you tell me what you expect?
U very naive, how can it be possible that they leave you alone???!! OMG!@!!! By increasing the living costs you are already affected unless your living expenses are paid by them then I can understand that you are not affected. By making it compulsory forcing people to buy annuity with effect from 2013 will afffect you and us who are still living here. So you think they will leave you alone???? Fat hope!
Originally posted by Fantagf:The prob with you is you are unhappy that people are disagreeing with the ways of the ruling party. If you don't mind their ways of being so self serving does not mean others don't mind.
my problem is people with no visible solution want to change the situation with something they don't have but expect it to be given because they have a big flag with the word "righteousness" written on it.
Originally posted by oldbreadstinks:tell that to the people who live in JB. just because not everyone get robbed there doesn't mean its not an issue
Credit does not go to the ruling party if nobody is robbed. OMG!