Draconian law has its benefits
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Look at countries like Australia, Canada, New Zealand. What has democracy done to those countries? Criminals escaping under the the hood of "Human Rights" and criminal cases drag on too long in courts due to democracy?
Mobs and gangs exist and has grown in Australia significantly over the last few years. well, these countries , do they have any power to totally eradicate crime? No. It is because of democracy and human rights laws. Ask yourself why is Singapore such a safe country. Its because its draconian in nature. Draconian brings about social safety.
LKY is right on this. Western style democracy will do u no good.
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Look at countries like Australia, Canada, New Zealand. What has democracy done to those countries? Criminals escaping under the the hood of "Human Rights" and criminal cases drag on too long in courts due to democracy?
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Mobs and gangs exist and has grown in Australia significantly over the last few years. well, these countries , do they have any power to totally eradicate crime? No. It is because of democracy and human rights laws.
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What is human rights?
Human rights refers to the "basic rights and freedoms to which all humans are entitled."[1] Examples of rights and freedoms which are often thought of as human rights include civil and political rights, such as the right to life and liberty, freedom of expression, and equality before the law; and social, cultural and economic rights, including the right to participate in culture, the right to food, the right to work, and the right to education.
"All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood."
—Article 1 of the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR)
Though a system which ensures the basic human liberty is subject to abuse by some, we should endeavour not to diverge from it, for without it we would be no better than the people in Burma, North Korea and Iraq (by Saddam). Where basic rights of humanity are obliterated to facilitate the rule of dictatorships.
Human rights are often misunderstood by folks from a lower social strata (the under achievers), thus you see many citizens from Third World countries not recognizing the needs.
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can u explain why mobs and gangs have grown in aus over the last few years?
Partly due to massive emigration into Aus. But lack of draconian laws is the main fault. People who have lived and worked overseas wil understand.
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And the kicker is - and I don't think anyone can prove me wrong -Singapore just happens to be the safest place in the world at present. I have walked in deserted streets at 2am here with money in my pocket and not felt in the least bit unsafe.In complete contrast - I remember nearly soiling myself at the unhealthy hour of 11pm while taking a train ride from Kings Cross to Luton last year when a group of shaven headed tattoo bedecked teenagers boarded my compartment and gave me some distinctly unfriendly looks.
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Most people have a lot to say about how draconian Singapore's laws are. I used to feel the same way and realised (the hard way) that littering carries a fine of about $500. But over time - it's only fair. The only things the government fines you for are things you shouldn't be doing in the first place. Come here with heroin - you will be hanged. Spit in public - you will be fined. Most private institutions work with the same mentality these days. - fake a bill or leak company secrets - you will be fired. And it's enforcing these kind of laws that has made Singapore one of the safest places to live in today.
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Originally posted by SPLIT SECOND:
Mobs and gangs exist and has grown in Australia significantly over the last few years. well, these countries , do they have any power to totally eradicate crime?
Eh.. This is an issue of incompetent policing than rather democracy. Get your logic right first. You can have all the laws out there, but if the police is not an effective law enforcement agency, what´s the point of even having the law in the first place?
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Originally posted by geodome:
Eh.. This is an issue of incompetent policing than rather democracy. Get your logic right first. You can have all the laws out there, but if the police is not an effective law enforcement agency, what´s the point of even having the law in the first place?
can the police in supposedly democratic countries break up a group of men who possibly harbours ill intent ? What about 10-100 groups in different areas of the city ?
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The world will be a better place if we adopt the system of governance from Burma or North Korea.
And we thought communism was dead.
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unfortunately, after a few billion years, no one has an answer on how to make the world a better place..
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What's next?
TS going to complain about the poverty created by capitalism and suggest Marxism as a solution for the world's problem?
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Originally posted by kramnave:
can the police in supposedly democratic countries break up a group of men who possibly harbours ill intent ? What about 10-100 groups in different areas of the city ?
You might be surprised but the answer is YES.
What human rights mean in such countries is that the policeman himself cannot make the decision to do this without approval from the Police Commissioner.
These measures are in place to keep the police from abusing the law.
Yet at the same time, the Police Commissioner is accountable to the public and independent judiciary. He may face impeachment if found guilty of abusing his power.
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Originally posted by kramnave:
can the police in supposedly democratic countries break up a group of men who possibly harbours ill intent ? What about 10-100 groups in different areas of the city ?
Precisely, they cant.
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Originally posted by geodome:
You might be surprised but the answer is YES.
What about organised crime and gang hit and run incidents?
They occur because gangs are allowed to exist in the first place.
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Originally posted by SPLIT SECOND:
What about organised crime and gang hit and run incidents?They occur because gangs are allowed to exist in the first place.
Gangs exist regardless of the law.It is like saying people should not flock together although they have the ability to flock together. Things happen because they can. Even this is true in draconian Singapore.
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can u explain why mobs and gangs have grown in aus over the last few years?
Partly due to massive emigration into Aus. But lack of draconian laws is the main fault. People who have lived and worked overseas wil understand.
draconian law will reduce crime rate by immigrants in australia?
the problem to me more like the type of immigrants they are allowing into the australia that are causing the problems. such as refugees, loopholes in their immigration laws thus attracting heaps of low skills, low education immigrants who could barely speak english. i dont think any draconian laws would make any difference to these ppl. try draconian laws in afgans. see whether you will be shot while trying to enforce it, or they pay fines to you.
it work in singapore is unique case,coz singaporeans are very obedient type of citizens.
very uniquely singapore! that why, it not hard to spot singaporeans when you are oversea, such as australia, HK, MACAU, china, etcc.
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You breathe a bolt of lightning at A sentinel.
Your blast of lightning IMMOLATES A sentinel! (709 Dmg)You breathe forth a cone of fire.
Your blast of flame -<* CLEAVES *>- A sentinel! (436 Dmg)You breathe out a cone of frost.
Your blast of frost -=EXTERMINATES=- A sentinel! (531 Dmg)You spit acid at A sentinel.
Your blast of acid -<* CLEAVES *>- A sentinel! (446 Dmg)You breathe out a cloud of poisonous gas.
Your blast of gas -=- EVISCERATES -=- A fur trader! (158 Dmg)
Your blast of gas -<* CLEAVES *>- A sentinel! (317 Dmg)These are known as Draconians breaths
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Human rights.. to live outside of jail wow
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A self defeating statement. That is all.
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Draconian laws can only be served up to a limited degree, and should be greatly tempered and considered before even allowing it's use.
Human lives are precious. Humans are not infalliable. Humans are prone to errors. Perfection does not exist in humans. The application of 'draconian laws' are nothing more than to 'force' an unnatural act upon humans to be perfect.
Herein lies the dangers of 'Draconian laws' - Whose model of perfection should we adopt? From another equally flawed equal human being?
And where should the line of living in an equal society be drawn before the application of 'draconian laws' be applied? eg, cutting off limbs for thieves, fire immolation for widows to prevent them a chance to murder their husbands, governmental robbery from citizens of their savings for innocent transgression, etc?
Who decides that line? What right do they have, being only an equally flawed human, to apply such laws? And if we agree to a line, what makes it impossible that the line be redrawn to greater lengths, virtually giving absolute dictatorial powers to the person who determines lines?
Mankind are nothing more than beasts of the wild who through eons of years, learnt to cultivate themselves to form civilisations, rising above their beastly instincts.
Education is the only way to enforce mankind's acceptance of a rule based society - living together sharing similar space in peace. It is only thru cultivation can we become more naturally intuned to living together in peace.
Man are emotional beings. Performance which is natural will come out with willingness and a desire to conform. That which is enforced will only beget bitterness and strife.
Mobs and criminal activities are nothing more than mankind's basic instincts being played out, regardless if there were draconian or no draconian laws being passed. It must and can be eradicated, thru education and cultivation opportunities. No man willingly desires to live outside society and be an outcaste.
To allude that only draconian laws can ensure conformaty to society's rule is be ill-inform and a be a willing puppet to be manipulated by unevolved humans who are living relics of our neanderthal past.
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Originally posted by xtreyier:
Draconian laws can only be served up to a limited degree, and should be greatly tempered and considered before even allowing it's use.
Human lives are precious. Humans are not infalliable. Humans are prone to errors. Perfection does not exist in humans. The application of 'draconian laws' are nothing more than to 'force' an unnatural act upon humans to be perfect.
Herein lies the dangers of 'Draconian laws' - Whose model of perfection should we adopt? From another equally flawed equal human being?
And where should the line of living in an equal society be drawn before the application of 'draconian laws' be applied? eg, cutting off limbs for thieves, fire immolation for widows to prevent them a chance to murder their husbands, governmental robbery from citizens of their savings for innocent transgression, etc?
Who decides that line? What right do they have, being only an equally flawed human, to apply such laws? And if we agree to a line, what makes it impossible that the line be redrawn to greater lengths, virtually giving absolute dictatorial powers to the person who determines lines?
Mankind are nothing more than beasts of the wild who through eons of years, learnt to cultivate themselves to form civilisations, rising above their beastly instincts.
Education is the only way to enforce mankind's acceptance of a rule based society - living together sharing similar space in peace. It is only thru cultivation can we become more naturally intuned to living together in peace.
Man are emotional beings. Performance which is natural will come out with willingness and a desire to conform. That which is enforced will only beget bitterness and strife.
Mobs and criminal activities are nothing more than mankind's basic instincts being played out, regardless if there were draconian or no draconian laws being passed. It must and can be eradicated, thru education and cultivation opportunities. No man willingly desires to live outside society and be an outcaste.
To allude that only draconian laws can ensure conformaty to society's rule is be ill-inform and a be a willing puppet to be manipulated by unevolved humans who are living relics of our neanderthal past.
keeping society safe from crime doe snot depend on individual. it is based on universal law enforcement
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Originally posted by SPLIT SECOND:
People who have lived and worked overseas wil understand.
I've lived in Melbourne since 1994. I certainly don't understand your point of view. As far as I can tell, all you're doing is consoling yourself for living in a gilded cage.
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Originally posted by SPLIT SECOND:
In complete contrast - I remember nearly soiling myself at the unhealthy hour of 11pm while taking a train ride from Kings Cross to Luton last year when a group of shaven headed tattoo bedecked teenagers boarded my compartment and gave me some distinctly unfriendly looks.
So you soil yourself easily. Apart from that, what's your point?
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Originally posted by reyes:
it work in singapore is unique case,coz singaporeans are very obedient type of citizens.
Beat a dog often enough and it will be submissive. That's just jim friggin' dandy as long as you're not the dog.
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The Spore system towards tackling crime is:-
1. Public monitoring system - Spore is small and easily monitored. As long as enforcement agencies are deemed to be friendly and people orientated, the public would willingly help by cooperating with them thru reporting of suspicious activities or even attending court as witnesses.
2. Education:- rather than to spend vast sums on building prisons and feeding prisoners for years, such funds were channelled instead on guiding our young and weaning them off their natuaral basics instincts.
3. Opportunities:- We are a loser society - one that will hold itself back so that the weak may catch up instead of being a winner society where one cares not a hoot about others. We believe a chain is only as strong as its weakest link, similary, so too our society, The rich and well off take pains to spread wealth, create employment for all, white or black, so that there will be no opportunities for the poor to use the lack of it to rob or steal.
4. Asians:- We are asians, natuarally docile and not as confrontational as our western brothers. Thus, if there were softer options, we would go for it than to wreck lives.
5. Rehabilitation: Our prisons are not cesspits, but have programmes to reform and rehabilitate the criminal to adjust his mentality back in tune to our society. These criminals are treated not as animals, but as human beings and singapore citizens, whose forefathers had played a role in making our society successful.
Thus, it is not just 'draconian laws' that made Spore having lower crime rates. It is active citizenry at work, a model the rest of the world can follow.
However, there still are some draconian laws in place in our society. There is a critical need for it to prevent massive harm to society such as drugs.But do not be proud of such a fact, for as long as such draconian laws are not repealled, it only mean we had failed as a society to help and rehabilitate our fellow singaporeans into being productive citizens and will not harm our fellow members.
The only difference between a robber and his/her victim is opportunity in life. The victim probably lived in a safe environment conducieve for growth but the robber never knew,or had the mentality to grasp such opportunities.
Education and opportunities, and not draconian laws, are the long term solutions to create a better world for our children to inherit.