has the time come to sink a few RMN ship??
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http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporelocalnews/view/30216/1/.html
looks like ... sometimes... words aint enough... must pull out the missiles and send their seamen into the depth of the ocean to make a point...
Frankly... wat guarantee do we have that malaysia wont renegade on our mutual agreement if the ICJ decided that pedra branca belongs to singapore?? afterall... their trustworthiness is paper thin... if we remember the tanjong pajar custom saga...
and seriously i wonder.. when will our DPM tony tan really show his teeth and have some backbone...
His anger during the parliament over malaysian's recent intrusion is unfortunate in my view...
because anger imply that he is not able OR unwilling to deal with the RMN intrusion forcefully... Anger is a sign of weakness...
Why not he remove the gloves off the RSN ships and let the missiles fly... in any case.. its high time those yakkers up north realise that we had enough of their cow dung speeches...
alternatively we can do a tit for tat... they send RMN ship to pedra branca.. we send RSN ship to langkawi... and see wat can they do... they shoot us.. we shoot back ...
maybe we can even send RSAF falcons to do a flypast over KL
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DPM Tony Tan expressed his displeasure in parliment to indicate discontent with Malaysia's blatant intrusions into our waters.
In case u haven't realised, a radar lock on a foreign vessel in disputed waters is considered an act of war.
Neither side truly wants war. Malaysia knows this. They are simply goading us by making these harassments at sensitive times.
It's like slapping an injured bull on the face to see if it gores you.
Restraint is the best answer as Malaysian authorities have not actually set foot on preda branca itself.
Sending a number of vessels to the island will be viewed as a "threat" by the bullish Malaysian govt. That in turn will have them sending their own navy to confront us. That will simply lead to a boorish standoff, wasting time and resources that WE cannot spare. (unless u're refering to war)
These Malaysian actions are typical of their political games to gain popularity and "gardner votes" from their ppl. It's a routine.
We're already used to it.
At the end of the day, the ICJ will still name the island as Preda Branca, sealing an end to their tiresome charade. -
Shall we send our submarines over 4 sum 'routine patrol'?
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Whoa there "tripwire"....
I had once asked if you know what lies on both ends of a "Tripwire"; but got no reply from you.
Anyway, here is the answer :-
At one end of a tripwire is an anchor, while at the other end of the tripwire is a booby trap.... watch this end carefully, it has been known to have killed the guy who prepared it.
While your post mention Tony Tan's anger in Parliament as a sign of weakness, what does your proposed action reveal ?
Strength...?
If you watched tonight's TV news shots, DPM/DM Tony Tan's emotions were under control, and he reflected calm and precision in his statements that exposes Malaysia's undisguised lust - in taking advantage of Singapore's unfortunate accident to advance their own weak territorial claims over Preda Branca.
They had the gall to send an Investigative Form to the Captain of the RSN Patrol Vessel, for him to submit his statement so as to allow the Malaysian Port Authority to investigate the accident which they claimed had occured in territorial waters belonging to Malaysia.
Leave it to the monkeys, and they will come up with more monkey brained ideas which they think will help their claims over Preda Branca (no more reference to it as Pulau Batu Puteh - what kind of name is this anyway..??). -
Indeed, the arrogance of the Malaysian govt knows no bounds.
In case they do not understand their own claims, Predra Branca is in dispute; this means the waters around the rock are also in dispute; which means the accident occured in disputed waters and since it involved no Malaysian vessels, Malaysia has no business to 'conduct' an investigation into the matter.
I sincerely hope those documents be returned (i would rather them torn up and returned but then again, DPM Tony Tan is a gentleman) with prejudice and dislain.
Talk about high-handedness and insensitivity.... -
who knows, it might already be there.Originally posted by MinisterOfDefence:Shall we send our submarines over 4 sum 'routine patrol'? 
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can u guy post a new topic regarding ... are there spies or spies war between singapore n malaysia??
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Could always get an A4 to fly past and pop some flares around their boats, make the message clear, if you have been crazy enough to fight, you've would've been already dead.
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Why not you be the topic starter..Originally posted by KaYaBrEaD:can u guy post a new topic regarding ... are there spies or spies war between singapore n malaysia?? 
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I read in a newspaper before that a few singaporeans got ISA for conducting espionage for a regional country. Also read from somwhere(probably Defending The Lion City:The Armed Forces Of Singapore) that Malaysia caught some of our spies.
BTW, anyone knows about the incident where a female soviet spy seduce a Singaporean worker working in the Singapore embassy in Russia to get some secret codes? The Straits Times says that this incident is mentioned in the booklet about ISA given to students. -
Now they are furious over tt book..Defending the Lion City...I bought it on the 1st day it came out..
what are they furious for? -
cos they are scared..Originally posted by MinisterOfDefence:Now they are furious over tt book..Defending the Lion City...I bought it on the 1st day it came out..
what are they furious for? -
I don't think we need to get worked up by these intrusion, not leastOriginally posted by tripwire:looks like ... sometimes... words aint enough... must pull out the missiles and send their seamen into the depth of the ocean to make a point...
it is another attempt by the Malaysian gov. to meddle the already
tense relation. We know for the last +1yr of track record, the
Malaysian institutions had gone overdrive to create new issues with
the Republic rangimg from supply of chillies, water, book, land
reclaimation and tourism.
If they believe that by sending in naval vessels into Singapore's
territorial water to make a strong case in the ICJ after winning
their claims against the Indonesians, then they're wrong big time. -
ANGER... Where has it started...?
Gentlemen... Though the current issues of how Malaysia has been 'taking advantage' and threatens has almost become deaf-threatening, I personally feel that we really don't know where my finger should point to and which topic to start....?
Sometime ago when the ISSUE of terrorist was still FRESH on our mind, many things happened... ACTIONs demanded as precaution against the terrorist... Singapore being a non-Muslim country amist Malaysia and Indonesia has been thought of as a possible target.... THEN AGAIN, UN and US have been pretty concerned in regard to possible hidings of terrorist leaders in South-East Asia.... Malaysia (thankfully to Singapore?
) was under bombardment too... I could have imagined the kind of frustrations faced by the Malaysia government back then.... Doing so much only to be facing criticism and more 'red alerts' by the words of our government.... I don't really know what was the intention of our government back then... (whether it's solely for security or more...?) But one thing certainly leads to another...? Now that the storm has somehow simmer down a little, its not hard for me to imagine that angers all bottled up under Malaysia government.... Talk about bilateral relationship...? Certainly it all seems not like wise moves...?
And SURELY there are things we can dig out from the PAST HISTORY between Malaysian & Singapore.... Which reminds me of my OWN HISTORY....? When I was around 11 my aunt told me not to dig out things of the past... Especially the revengeful ones.... They'll just put you in an endless spinning cycle.... If I had not took her advice seriously I most probably couldn't have been who I am TODAY.... (not to mention if there would even be a 'me' today...?)
What are we doing SO MUCH for...? Ourselves...? Our future generation...? If you cut one of your hands & one of your legs today what kind of future do you think you would have in store for you.....? TODAY.... Or TOMORROW......? -
while i understand the desire to settle the current spate with malaysia as peacefully as possible.. but lets not decieve ourselves...
THEY SEND warships to our water!!... if that is not provocation.. wat is it??
IF we didnt response strongly now... i mean NOW!!... will they next send RMN to patrol our keppel harbour??
Face it.. they are testing our tolerance level.. and they are doing it in style.. in steps... in phases... we need to tell them either they STOP it now.. or else.. eat bullet...
The TNI-AL for all its lack of funding, technology and moral ... on the other hand has shown that its no push over when the malaysians tried the same tactics on them at sipadan and ligitan..
the TNI-AL... gave them a warning.. the Malaysian no chap... the TNI-AL bullets starts flying.. that is wat is called courage.. fuck the malaysian RMN to hell... after that.. the RMN ship never got anywhere near a TNI-AL ship...
RSN with all its high tech weapon, ships and so called strong govt.. seems rather meek in my view.. and i fear.. that would become the view of the RMN as well...
IF we keep up tolerating their nonsense.. pray tell.. arent we looking for war?? if MAF percieve SAF as weak or unwilling to go to war? they are gonna push us again and again until we decided to go for an all out strike..
IF the above is to be avoided.. then i feel the DPM should let the RSN have a free hand..
IF the malaysian govt wants war.. our tolerance and benevolence is not gonna change their war-mongering...attitude..
IF the malaysian govt dont want war.. a few bullet holes on their precious ships are not going to be enough incentives for them to go to war either... but it will sure as hell ... make them rethink their actions...
MONKEY dont know how to talk and listen like a gentlemen.. they only understand big big words like BOOM BANG BLAST....
thus.. why do we seek to act like a gentlemen infront of a monkey?? wont the monkey laugh at our 'gentlemen' look as if looking at an overdress clown?? -
lastly.. i believe that SAF and the singapore govt have a tolerance limitations...
thus.. assuming that the malaysians keep up their intrusion or perhaps increase the level of intrusion over time..
There will reach a time when RSN or RSAF might be force to shoot back.. just as anyone will EVENTUALLY push back when being push around continuously...
THUS ... unless malaysia stops its provocative actions.. one day.. bullets will fly..
AND since bullet will EVENTUALLY fly... why not now at the early stages when both country are not ready for war?? a short skirmish and war of words now would be far more better then a major war in the future as both sides gears up for an all out war due to repeated sabre-rattleing...over time??
I recommend we start shooting now!! show them the undersea view and let their politician scream all they want...
IN FACT.. a short naval skirmish now... could auctually help mahatir UMNO party to win the next GE with extreme high probability of recapturing the 2 states lost to PAS... -
Yeah i agree... give them an inch, they'll take a mile. We can't let them think we're weak... but blowing holes in their crappy mat ships would constitute a declaration of war, which in the end, is expensive and is a waste of lives. We should just hire some Osama wannabe and get him to knock down their petronas twin lan jiao towers. That'll show them.
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For gods sake...no one in their right mind would think that Singapore is weak. Why the hell do you think Malaysia is always so pumped up about every little thing?? They've got nothing else to do....
With a population almost 4 times that of Singapore they have a currency thats valued at less than half...and thats WITH petroleum and palm oil plantations larger than the Republic itself. Wont you war mongers stop thinking about killing and maiming, its sooooo backdated.
You should know perfectly well that Singapore can kick major ass when it wants to. Don't u think Malaysia knows that as well? The best thing Singapore should do is to get those desalination plants up and running. Once you sever the water link the ministers up north are going to have a lot less to talk about and more of a problem hiding the country's real problems behind newspaper selling stunts. -
you wait long long... those monkeys will simply cook up something else to complain...Originally posted by awestruck:For gods sake...no one in their right mind would think that Singapore is weak. Why the hell do you think Malaysia is always so pumped up about every little thing?? They've got nothing else to do....
think you might be underrating the malaysians a bit too far low...
With a population almost 4 times that of Singapore they have a currency thats valued at less than half...and thats WITH petroleum and palm oil plantations larger than the Republic itself. Wont you war mongers stop thinking about killing and maiming, its sooooo backdated. think you too idealistic....
You should know perfectly well that Singapore can kick major ass when it wants to. Don't u think Malaysia knows that as well? The best thing Singapore should do is to get those desalination plants up and running. Once you sever the water link the ministers up north are going to have a lot less to talk about and more of a problem hiding the country's real problems behind newspaper selling stunts. -
Yeah i read that incident before. May i know which newspaper did you read the incident from? When was it? Thanks. Four Singaporean were caught by the Malaysia ISA for espionage. Too bad those four Singaporean were later HANG by the Malaysian government. Then Singapore and Malaysia relationship become sour.Originally posted by eurofighter:I read in a newspaper before that a few singaporeans got ISA for conducting espionage for a regional country. Also read from somwhere(probably Defending The Lion City:The Armed Forces Of Singapore) that Malaysia caught some of our spies.
BTW, anyone knows about the incident where a female soviet spy seduce a Singaporean worker working in the Singapore embassy in Russia to get some secret codes? The Straits Times says that this incident is mentioned in the booklet about ISA given to students.
It is much safer to conduct espionage in USA rather than in Malaysia. Becuase in America you don't get hang for conducting espionage. -
think the malaysians wanna make sure everyone knows the price for undermining its security...
Another reason is probably to limit or impede or raise the cost of intelligience operations by singapore in malaysia though harsh punishments.
as to hanging of the 4 singapore operatives... its unfortunate.. but that is the risk of their jobs....hopefully they managed to garther sufficient information from the mission to provide singapore... -
4 Singaporean espionage agents? SO THEY CLAIM! If they had any evidence that they were spies, would they hang them quietly?
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no , they are release . I believe it is not a release , but an exchange of our agents caught overseas.
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let them think we are weak..when the time cums..we'll show our true capabilities...
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let them think we are weak..when the time cums..we'll show our true capabilities...