WAKE UP YOUR IDEA LAH DONT VOTE FOR PAP LIAO
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Alright, I'm really lazy to answer your first 2 questions so lets give it a rest shall we? For a bit of trivia the other is JB Jeya's son. Whats his name i forgot
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I'm 16, can't vote.
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I'm 17, neither can i
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The problem now is that most of the oppositions don't seem to have capable people. Look at Gomez! Can't even lie properly, how to be politician?! Got CCTV also never notice... haiz...
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Originally posted by Vendettus:
I'm 16, can't vote.
u 16, me 6 years old only -
The Youths today INHERITED the same genes as their parents.
Majority of these Parents Voted for them.
I am not trying to discourage you.
Its the fact. There will be no change.
Just look at the face of the youths.
ask them something about social issues, they cry and complain you bully them with unfair questions. They memorised too much good news.
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They are not trained in critical or analytical skills, so they are easy to hoodwink using propaganda.
Feed them some fucking state propaganda in the mainstream media, repeat some fucking slogans a few times and they will be influenced.
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I support the FTs conversion course to new citizens.
Know why?
Whenever I look at the faces of todays youths, I feel there is no hope and future.
No wonder the locals are being replaced easily by 3 rd world people with some kind of cert. many kinds of certs can replace locals. proven.
Now I suspect i know why so many migrate. They know what is to come in their face. As in, what is to come in future, in their face.
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PAP regime is hell bent on producing depoliticised people to brainwash.
I will forever be opposed to them.
This type of fucking regime, how to go and support?
Forever want to stifle people's mind.
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cannot vote >.> i 19 only.. few more days 20 lol
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We youth feel so sad that Uncles today still unable to overcome the current ruling party, and in the inability to do it, they try to force us to do it, saying we are coward, influenced by media, inheritance voting and all kinds of nonsense, what are they trying to prove when they cannot even wins a single election after all these years. With these types of Uncles, PAP is for sure to take the next election into their advantage. Cos they knew that Sg Uncles are only good in talking like a cockerel, but when the master come, they keep quiet and blame the younger one.
You Uncles cannot change the govt during your time, u want to brainwash us to do it for you, must be joking. Ya, we inherited the talk cock only, nothing else. So please hor, sg uncles, show us some progress and dun talk cock, otherwise take your medicines, lie down and wait for the time to come.
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I read through this post and I found several interesting comments by the people here. I'll list them here and explain why.
"Last time CSJ also shout at Kopi tiam at Goh Chok Tong, i was very young then, but even as young as i am, i still find the opposition very barbaric and ungentlemen to call the then PM of Singapore, "Woei, Lau Goh..."
CSJ shout at Goh Chok Tong barbaric and ungentlemen?
1) Link: http://www.fu-singapore.uni.cc/videos/pm_lee_fix_the_opposition.html
If the Opposition gets voted in, PM Lee will spend time FIXING them instead of devising the right policies for Singapore.
Is this what you would call gentlemanly?
2) Link: http://www.ibanet.org/images/downloads/07_2008_July_Report_Singapore-Prosperity_versus_individual_rights.pdf
Read the IBA 72-page report on rights in Singapore.
Defamation laws (Page 29-30)
"Dissenting political opinion is further deterred by reports that no PAP leader has ever lost a defamation suit against an opposition figure in court. This has raised further questions about the independence of the judiciary in Singapore when considering free expression cases."Defamation cases in Singapore 1959-1997 (Page 60-61)
"In the information above, it is evident that in just six cases, PAP officials have been awarded over S$9 million in damages. This excludes those cases, such as the one discussed above regarding the Financial Times, which were settled out of court. Meanwhile, the total for all seven non-PAP litigant cases is just S$307,350. This disparity is of serious concern for the independence of the judiciary."Is this what you would call unbarbaric and gentlemanly? Your view, your call, your opinion.
"DO YOU HAVE A BETTER IDEA HOW TO RUN THIS COUNTRY?"
No I don't. Simply because I'm not paid peanuts like our dear and beloved ministers. However, without a better idea on running this country, do I lose the right to voice my view and opinion or criticise on their policies?
How many people who can't play soccer for nuts but yet shout at the TV set at the players saying that they should do this, they should do that, etc.
Besides, this is just me, I've seen articles suggesting solutions/ideas on running this country more efficiently.
"Yes there was a poll on that my dear, its called the general elections."
Using the general election as a gauge of how happy/satisfied Singaporeans are is an ineffective measure.
"I'll vote for PAP this year, boy, because you enlisting into the army, I don't want things to happen to you." - My Mum, a few years back.
"I'm applying for HDB flat this time round, I better vote for PAP this election."
One word; FEAR
Think about it, look around, listen to your neighbours, you'll find out the interesting reasons they have for voting for the PAP.
Secondly, Carrot dangling is another factor, although it did not work to the extent that the PAP would want it to during the last election.
MM Lee says there are no money politics in Singapore. I have to agree with him. There are only 1) Progressive Packages, 2) GST Rebates, 3) HDB upgrading, etc
Third, yes there are anonymous voting in Singapore. Hey, what's this serial number on my ticket?
"No, Poh i'm not a PAP supporter, but i don't really think the things you say here about PAP are true."
Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Action_Party
"Internet
In February 2007, The Straits Times reported that PAP's "new media" committee, chaired by Ng Eng Hen, has initiated an effort to counter critics in the Internet. It has members posting anonymously at Internet forums and blogs to rebut anti-establishment views.[6]"
I notice one thing about PAP supporters, they would almost ALWAYS start off with "I'm not a PAP supporter but..."
Now, I'm not saying you belong to PAP "new media" committee, I just hope you are an ordinary Singaporean with a different view and opinion. It would be totally pointless for me to talk to PAP's loyal best friend, if you understand what I mean.
"We youth feel so sad that Uncles today still unable to overcome the current ruling party, and in the inability to do it, they try to force us to do it, saying we are coward, influenced by media, inheritance voting and all kinds of nonsense, what are they trying to prove when they cannot even wins a single election after all these years."
They didn't win because...
1) Fear factor - See above
2) Carrot dangling - See above
3) Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerrymandering - Scroll down to Singapore."Singapore
In recent decades, critics have accused the ruling People's Action Party (PAP) of unfair electoral practices to maintain significant majorities in the Parliament of Singapore. Among the complaints are that the government uses gerrymandering.[21]
The Elections Department was established as part of the executive branch under the Prime Minister of Singapore, rather than as an independent body. [22] Critics have accused it of giving the ruling party the power to decide polling districts and polling sites through electoral engineering, based on poll results in previous election. [23]Opposition parties have alleged that the Elections Department decisions have given unfair advantage to the ruling party and have affected the outcome of some electoral battles.[24][25]
Critics point out the dissolution of the Group Representation Constituencies (GRC) of Cheng San GRC and Eunos GRC. Each was dissolved by the Elections Department with voters redistributed to other constituencies after opposition parties gained ground in elections. [26] Such action was controversial. Critics have speculated about the possibility of the Elections Department's dissolving next the Aljunied GRC in the next General Elections, likely in 2010 or 2011. The opposition Workers' Party gained ground there in the General Elections in 2006, when it earned approximately 44% of the votes.
PAP strongholds, such as Tanjong Pagar GRC and Ang Mo Kio GRC, where Minister Mentor Lee Kuan Yew and Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong respectively contest, have seldom been contested by the opposition. When Ang Mo Kio GRC was last contested in 2006, the PAP has won 66% of the votes."
4) High electoral fees
5) Other factorsOf course, other factors would/might include the possibility that the opposition are not up to standard or expectations.
However, I'm sure all these factors interact with one another to present the current beautiful situation in Singapore.
"Cos they knew that Sg Uncles are only good in talking like a cockerel..."
I've seen several arguments challenging oppositions or pro-oppositions to present a better idea to run singapore, to take action and not just talk.
Have you ever wondered what CAN we do?
Submit articles to the media? Voice out opinions at Channel news asia forums? Freedom of speech? Sounds good, until you realize that everything is censored. You are reading what they WANT you to read.
To conclude this, I would strongly encourage all pro-pap Singaporeans to read the IBA-72 page report, it should give you a some insight on the current situation in Singpaore.
However, if you belong the "new media" commitee of the PAP, I would instead suggest you sue IBA for defamation/slander/libel or whatever to prove them wrong. For years, oppositions have been sued if they said anything deemed wrong by the PAP. Since the PAP said that the IBA is wrong, why not sue them? Else, you would be admitting to the authencity of the 72 page report.
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Never given a chance to....
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I think its logical to vote for the sensible party......
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Rome wasn't build in a day...
Oppo people nt capable now. what opposition need now is our support... If people keep on pouring cold water over them, dun support them, how to grow? Whenever the pappy come hikie hike hike, u whine whine whine....
But people tried to speak up for you u say he is mad, u say he ah beng...????
Liddat u tell me how lah singapore? Die road one way lah.... SKK... -
Originally posted by likedatosocan:
They are number 1!They are Good Good!
They are majority's choice since day 1 non-stop, everyday for 43 years!
I support all HIKES!
More hikes should come our way!
Should remain salary competitive!
Must welcome FTs and their family tree!
Must position ourselves nice nice to warmly welcome them and say "Please Enter!".
Huat Ah!
All these HIKES I assume are contributing to progress? You think so right!!! yeah!!
Then the more the merrier leh!!!
Sporeanos have the most Unique behavior in this world. This we must admit.
pap good opposition bad!
ft good singaporeans bad!
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Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:
Why?
Why? Isn't it because the country is on a path and projecting a bright future for its people and the people are enjoying peace, stability, and safe?Rebels are not required in this country and certainly don't have a valid cause to be rebellious.
Only fools would want to rebel and think they can bring BETTER peace, stability and safety to the country and its people.
Such fools would be better off selling their attitude, services to a worse country who really need rebels and where those rebels would be more welcomed and appreciated.
Try North Korea ok?
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Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:
Imagine Obama and McCain debate.
McCain keep on attacking Obama and Obama's mouth is sealed.
That is Singapore politics for you.
Now let's look at american politics shall we? Where the republicans is allowed to use defamation, outright lies, libel image to smear Obama? And a US politican cannot sue those people simply because they will look bad? Saying they pander around with terrorist, using politically incorrect terms to attack a politicans, and say he is an arab(so what wrong with being an Arab in the US? )http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=RfIV1ntYggc
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/15/gop-site-california-removes-waterboard-obama-graphic/
You are allowed to use lies and defamation in US politics and you cannot do anything using the law to correct those people, or sue them.
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Starseven i notice that you like to drone on and on about free speech. Now thats really being a typical sg uncle. Since you don't have a better idea on how to run this country what are you gonna talk about? Complain more? Now if you'll notice, every political party in the world does everything they can to stay in power. If te republicans could do this kind of thing, I'm very sure they would, but the american system simply does'nt allow them to. But then again, the US is a place where i can sue macdonalds because i'm fat. The solution is very simple, if the majority of people vote against the PAP, they would not be in power. But people still do. And if you know the PAP are using carrot-dangling tactics on you why can't you see through it and vote for the opposition instead? Are you claiming that the majority of Singaporeans are brainwashed? Because in the end brainwashed or not PAP still wins, and frankly they don't give a fuck how they win as long as they win and we're happy. People in Africa are worrying about their next meal and here you are complaining about our government. Now i think this is really dumb. Again i reitarate my stance, if you have a better idea how to run this country, go do it
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G. Recommendations
The IBAHRI calls on Singapore to implement the following recommendations:
Recommendation one:
Singapore should ratify the ICCPR without reservations and implement its
provisions at the earliest opportunity.
Recommendation two:
Singapore should immediately bring its restrictions on free expression in line
with recognised international customary law.
Recommendation three:
Singapore should immediately abolish defamation as a criminal offence,
or in the alternative and should abolish heavy sanctions for defamation offences; prohibit public
officials from instituting criminal defamation; and review the existing defences to ensure they are in
line with international standards.
Recommendation four:
The Singapore Government should pass legislative limits on civil defamation
pay-outs, and certainly on cases initiated by government officials.
Recommendation five:
A defence of qualified privilege for comments made about government
officials should be made available and enforced by the courts in appropriate cases.
Recommendation six:
The Singapore Government should take steps to encourage, not discourage,
opposition participation and debate.
Recommendation seven:
Singapore Government officials should stop initiating defamation claims
for criticisms made in the course of political debate.
Recommendation eight:
The Singapore Government should increase the freedom of the press
– both domestic and foreign – to report on political issues impacting on the people of Singapore.
Recommendation nine:
The Newspaper and Printing Presses Act should be amended so as to ensure
that there are checks and balances on the decision to restrict the circulation of publications under
the Act.
Recommendation ten:
The Newspaper and Printing Presses Act should be amended to allow
reasonable comment on the domestic politics of Singapore by foreign publications.
Recommendation eleven:
Singapore should remove personal responsibility for internet hosts for
information published on their hosted sites or should clarify the limitations on material that may not
be posted.
Recommendation twelve:
Steps should be taken to ensure that internet bloggers are free to make
reasonable statements in the public interest.
Recommendation thirteen:
Security of tenure should be granted to all judges.
Recommendation fourteen:
Transfer of judges between executive and judicial roles should be
abolished.
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Prosperity versus individual rights? Human rights, democracy and rule of law in Singapore July 2008
Recommendation fifteen:
The situations in which demonstrations may take place should be
expanded to include all peaceful assemblies.
Recommendation sixteen:
Limitations on penalties for peaceful assembly should be introduced as a
matter of urgency.
Recommendation seventeen:
The Singapore Government should respect the right of the Singapore
Law Society to engage in debate on law reform and should immediately repeal the prohibition on
the Singapore Law Society commenting on legislation.
Recommendation eighteen:
The Singapore Law Society should ensure that it is actively participating
Heres a list of "recommendations" in this so called "IBA report" I think i can summerize the entire thing for you,
1. Give complete freedom of speech to the public
2. Stop sueing people for defamation
Heres an idea, while you're at it, why not abolish our entire legal system as well?
And why not ERP? Go ahead, give freedom of speech, i seriously think all we'll hear are more complaints and inceasingly personal attacks on ministers -
Aiyah, why talk so much? At the end of day, SGeans get their $600+ will vote wif the other 66.6% again!!
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if the govt is good, they have nothing to worry when the election come. but from the results of past elections, the number of people voting for them are getting lesser and lesser. i believe something is seriously wrong over here.
for example, your child taking exam. 1st term 90+ marks. then after every terms, the results keep dropping. are you going to do something about it or wait till he start failing?
i believe that is the same thing for the PAP. started off with very good voting percentage and then started dropping. is there something wrong with the policies that anger the people so much that they decided to vote for the oppositions?
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Originally posted by Chris88110:
Starseven i notice that you like to drone on and on about free speech. Now thats really being a typical sg uncle. Since you don't have a better idea on how to run this country what are you gonna talk about? Complain more? Now if you'll notice, every political party in the world does everything they can to stay in power. If te republicans could do this kind of thing, I'm very sure they would, but the american system simply does'nt allow them to. But then again, the US is a place where i can sue macdonalds because i'm fat. The solution is very simple, if the majority of people vote against the PAP, they would not be in power. But people still do. And if you know the PAP are using carrot-dangling tactics on you why can't you see through it and vote for the opposition instead? Are you claiming that the majority of Singaporeans are brainwashed? Because in the end brainwashed or not PAP still wins, and frankly they don't give a fuck how they win as long as they win and we're happy. People in Africa are worrying about their next meal and here you are complaining about our government. Now i think this is really dumb. Again i reitarate my stance, if you have a better idea how to run this country, go do it
shouldnt you be comparing our country to a 1st world country instead of Africa?