lionnoisy

18 Oct 08, 11:28

My English is so bad becos the foundation of grammer is so weak,

among other things.

So,i am sad to know that Aussie school dunt care grammer!

Hard to believe!! Pl read all before u says I am talking rubbish,mates.

Grammar to make a classroom comeback in national English curriculum

Justine Ferrari, Education writer | October 17, 2008

GRAMMAR will return to the classroom under the national English curriculum, along with punctuation, spelling, pronunciation and phonics, for all students from the first years of school.

The draft curriculum, to be released today by the National Curriculum Board, is unequivocal in including the explicit teaching of the basic structures of the English language.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24508917-601,00.html

1.English goes back to basics

Kevin Donnelly | October 17, 2008

THE release of the national English curriculum initial advice paper will lead to Australia's education progressives suffering apoplexy.

For years, groups such as the Australian Association for the Teaching of English have turned their backs on teaching formal grammar and literature.

While The Australian has led the campaign for a back-to-basics approach to English, as a result of falling standards and a dumbed-down curriculum, the AATE and the Australian Curriculum Studies Association have argued that talk of a crisis is a media beat-up.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24508876-5015664,00.html

2.

"School, uni must be closer on English"

Justine Ferrari, Education writer | October 17, 2008

THE nation's only professor of Australian literature, Robert Dixon, has called for a closer working relationship between schools and university English departments.
The draft national English curriculum, released today, retains the use of critical literacy, a sociological tool for uncovering political and ideological bias in language.

The Australian reported today that grammar will return to the classroom under the curriculum, along with punctuation, spelling, pronunciation and phonics, for all students from the first years of school.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24510661-12332,00.html

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i cant believe my eyes reading this:

"grammar will return to the classroom"

I am more suprised that Englisg teachers against teaching grammer!!

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u can view some of English Tecahers' views here.

I find some of the sentences are too long.

http://www.englishteacher.com.au/stateNatCurric.php

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I am not saying English of Oz is good or bad.

What i shock me is the news!!

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What did the Report about teaching of grammar:

The teaching of grammar in English
Over some decades the teaching of grammar as part of English in Australia has been a topic of contention for teachers, universities, schools and the general community. Whether grammar should be taught at all, when, how much and what particular form(s) of grammar should be taught have all been strongly contested.

As part of a strong commitment to equity and quality, the teaching of grammar, progressively building knowledge and fluency over the full course of the school years, will be a significant feature of the national English curriculum. This commitment includes traditional word- and sentence-level grammar, text-level grammar that teaches text types and patterns, and the functional relations between these levels.
In summary, in Australia the related fields of English language, literature and literacy education owe much of their richness and sophistication to the conduct of debates such as these. The development of a national English curriculum presents the opportunity to clarify important points of coalition. These and other debates will continue to influence decisions in schools and regions as the curriculum is further developed, implemented and adapted across the country.

http://www.ncb.org.au/verve/_resources/English_Initial_Advice_Paper.pdf

page 8 and 9

u can read all reports here.

http://www.ncb.org.au/communications/publications.html

Publications

This section contains publications produced by and associated with the (Australia)National Curriculum Board.

Pl bear with me for copy and paste.

i judt do the good deed for parents!!

Lionnoisy shall attend asap!!

angel7030

18 Oct 08, 15:30

My grammar is also very bad, becos my Ah ma teached me

whiskers

18 Oct 08, 16:58

you tink hor, our singaporean english very good meh, you tink hor I speak wat i learn in singpaore, u tink those BBC ppl will understand me or no? But i got C6 for campbridge lah, so mus be tokkong, sry i mean powderful lah!

SingaporeTyrannosaur

18 Oct 08, 20:03

My English is so bad becos the foundation of grammer is so weak,

among other things.

So,i am sad to know that Aussie school dunt care grammer!

So you saying Aussie english education better or worse then ours?

If worse and Sg better, then how come still produce pple like you?

Our government already tell us to improve our english.

Why you dunt want to?

maurizio13

18 Oct 08, 20:21

I find this coming from lionnoisy to be a joke.

Shouldn't this be in the Jokes and Humour section?

SingaporeTyrannosaur

18 Oct 08, 20:45

I think lionnoisy is trying to get people to stop pointing out his bad english...

But unfortunately he just wrote another long post about Australian english in such bad english that nobody understands his post meaning that instead of achieving what he wanted to do it only ended up making things worse, if anything now pple will notice even more his inability to express himself in english.

Casin

19 Oct 08, 17:09

Don't worry ,I can understand singlish too,there is no reason that other people can't understand singlish.American english is the hardest to hear though I studied english according to American accent.

eagle

19 Oct 08, 17:22

wah lau, lionnoisy

Throwing the face of Singaporeans away.

SingaporeTyrannosaur

19 Oct 08, 20:45

Anyway if you all want to know more about lionnoisy:

He is a well known troll and troublemakers in sgforums, in fact he even resorted to the use of fake user accounts in order to create "support" for himself...

MAKEPEACE, MAKE CLONES?

A REPORT ON ATTEMPTED ASTROTURFING AND SOCKPUPPETING BY LIONNOISY

a lion puppet

For those who wondered what happened.

Lionnoisy created a clone called "makepeace" which he used in speakers corner to further his own agenda, trying to give people the impression that there are others out there that would agree with him.

Unfortunately he did a very poor job of hiding it.

This kind of behaviour is called sockpuppeting, ie. creating a false online identity to praise, defend or create the illusion of support for one’s self, allies or company.

A sockpuppet is an online identity used for purposes of deception within an Internet community. In its earliest usage, a sockpuppet was a false identity through which a member of an Internet community speaks while pretending not to, like a puppeteer manipulating a hand puppet.^[1]

In current usage, the perception of the term has been extended beyond second identities of people who already post in a forum to include other uses of misleading online identities. For example, a NY Times article claims that "sock-puppeting" is defined as "the act of creating a fake online identity to praise, defend or create the illusion of support for one’s self, allies or company."^[2]

The key difference between a sockpuppet and a regular pseudonym (sometimes termed an "alt") is the pretense that the puppet is a third party who is not affiliated with the puppeteer.

To "flame wars" and "phishing" we can now add "sock puppet." A sock puppet, for those still boning up, is a false identity through which a member of an Internet community speaks while pretending not to, like a puppeteer manipulating a hand puppet. Recently, a senior editor at The New Republic got in trouble for some particularly colorful sock puppetry.

When Lee Siegel began blogging for The New Republic, he found, as many others have, that Internet posters tend to be fairly outspoken — and a good number of the posters on the blog were harshly critical. An exception was ''sprezzatura,'' who regularly offered extravagant praise. After Mr. Siegel was criticized for his writing about Jon Stewart, host of ''The Daily Show,'' sprezzatura wrote: ''Siegel is brave, brilliant and wittier than Stewart will ever be. Take that, you bunch of immature, abusive sheep.'' A reader charged that sprezzatura was in fact Mr. Siegel, but sprezzatura denied it.

The reader turned out to be right. ...

After making some lame and hasty excuse about his account being hacked, lionnoisy suddenly abandoned all this threads in which him being sockpuppeting was being mentioned. Unfortunately his excuse cannot stand up to logic as he was seen responding to and talking back TO HIS OWN ACCOUNT.

This is what happened:

29th April 0932hrs a "user" called "makepeace" that had never posted before created a lionnoisy-sounding titled thread called "Oz Judge ban TV drama & interview glorify gangland wars "

Already suspisions were raised because the structure and phrasing of the title was signature of lionnoisy. The first post by this "makepeace" was as such:

Originally posted by makepeace:

Oz Supreme Judge Justice Betty King

bans TV drama serices & interviews

glorifying those in the gangland war.The bans to prevent

jurors to be affected while the trial of a murder case is in progress.

U hardly expect democratic and free country like Oz will

ban TV programmes .Right?

U wont know TV programmes on Oz gangsters

are so hot there.Right?

u wont know ganglang wars there also so frequent.Right?

1.Judge cuts down(TV) Nine's Underbelly

Milanda Rout | February 12, 2008

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23200497-7582,00.html

2.Judge bans 'crime mums' interview

Peter Gregory | April 22, 2008

Barbara Williams and Judith Moran,

the mothers of defendant Evangelos Goussis

and the widow of the murdered Lewis Moran

respectively,were interviewed.

Its damn interesting that this news was under

Entertainment section!!

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/news/entertainment/judge-bans-underbelly-report/2008/04/21/1208742836107.html?s_cid=rss_news

3.The Morgan family----the story of the murdered

http://www.melbournecrime.bizhosting.com/moran.family.htm

4.The story of the Boss ,Carl Williams,behind the killing

http://www.melbournecrime.bizhosting.com/carl.williams.htm

5.u can learn more by seraching Justice Betty King

in www.yahoo.com.au

6.Questions

A.Why the media want to air the interview while the trial

is still on?

B.How are the gang activities in Down Under?

C.Am i look like anti--Oz?

D.How true are the postings in 3 and 4 listed above.

i dunt expect the there are so many details about

Oz gangsters.Can any one tell me more?

Note that other then for the user name, this post is virtually indistinguishable from the countless of other lionnoisy posts we can compare it with. The excessive reliance on the media, posting of hyperlinks, using warped logic that takes issues out of their context, and most tellingly the horrible english which make typos and grammatical errors right down to what lionnoisy would EXACTLY make is exactly what you'd expect from lionnoisy.

Hence lionnoisy must have been someone disappointed because after 20 minutes still nobody bothered to reply to his post under makepeace. Hence he decided to bump his own thread.

But after a few lackluster replies, he finally decided to "talk" to makepeace

Originally posted by lionnoisy:

3.The Morgan family----the story of the murdered

http://www.melbournecrime.bizhosting.com/moran.family.htm

4.The story of the Boss ,Carl Williams,behind the killing

http://www.melbournecrime.bizhosting.com/carl.williams.htm

I cant believe there are so many killings

in the above links !!!

More excited than Holloywood movies!!

Note the bad acting, where he pretended to be "excited" and "surprised" about what he wrote himself.

Now this is the funny part, if his account was really hacked as he claimed it to be, he would certainly not be replying back to his "hacked" account so happily in such a way.

But in any case when he was exposed he made this very funny, frantic and desperate post trying to suddenly divorce himself from the actions of his sockpuppetry by claiming he was hacked. Unfortunately all a basic look at the thread will reveal what really happened, and that is nothing other then lionnoisy was caught red-handed sockpuppeting.

Originally posted by lionnoisy:

Why did u check IP and English of forumers?

i just know my acct has been hijacked and u post it!!

It seems u are faster than me?Looks so strange!!

Looks like it is a cyber crime and /or frame up.

Hv anyone(u know who i mean) hacked into my e mails and computers ?

Do i have to hire armed guards to stay outside my

pigeon hole?

I am seeking helps from ISD,CIA,FBI,MI 5 and 6,

PRC Kong Ang, etc to check who hijack my acct

and make me appearing as ''makepeace'' after

i click submit.How safe in this forum??

I will buy you Ya Kun coffee if your info can lead to

catch the criminal,

Forums owners and mods are hereby notified my formal ,written and distressing complaints to cyber crimes!!