USA has plundered world wealth with dollar: China paper
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Originally posted by Stevenson101:
http://www.jpri.org/publications/workingpapers/wp76.html
I believe this is the only response i need to give.
For those who are afraid that it's a virus link, lemme just post a quote.
The fact that any wrong doings are exposed shows that the system is open and honorable even if there are some black sheep.
In despots run countries, the "exposures" are carefully staged for dissidents are routinely silenced and the press thwarted from doing its job of digging up and informing the public.
If a country is open and free and there is little corruption exposed, that is admirable. When a country has the official secrets act and the press censored/self censored and there is apparently no corruption.... that is despicable and dishonorable.
The article you quoted by the way is from 2001.
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Originally posted by Short Ninja:
As we all know it politics is dirty but if you understand Japanese style government you would surely shake your head.There are so many father/son prime ministers like the previous Mr Fukuda (and akan datang Mr Nakasone in a few years time.Even Aso's father was notorious for running a mine company that used allied prisoners as slaves.
Are opposition members in Japan harrassed and "fixed" by those in power? Is the Japanese press castrated and cannot perform? Are you talking about past history or current affairs?
If you can say "yes" to the first two questions, I will have to conclude that you are delusional. If you say "current" to the third, ditto.
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Whenever there is power struggle, there will be blood shed and those are mainly contributed by the weak.
Eventually, the strongest will take all and the weak find themself in no difference from the past.
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Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:
Everyone can see that the Japanese are honorable people and conducting their affairs with transparency and openness.
haha so now its any fart you can't smell won't stinks eh? -
Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:
The fact that any wrong doings are exposed shows that the system is open and honorable even if there are some black sheep.
In despots run countries, the "exposures" are carefully staged for dissidents are routinely silenced and the press thwarted from doing its job of digging up and informing the public.
If a country is open and free and there is little corruption exposed, that is admirable. When a country has the official secrets act and the press censored/self censored and there is apparently no corruption.... that is despicable and dishonorable.
The article you quoted by the way is from 2001.
look, why don't you go and find something thats so clear as a piece of evidence on PAP corruption you won't get your pants sued off your ass and then get it to straits times and see if they'll publish it, if not i'm sure just about any foreign paper would pay you to do it. point is you need ammo to take them down, concrete proof instead of something you pull from another guy's article who in turn pluck it out of thin air. -
Originally posted by Go:
Whenever there is power struggle, there will be blood shed and those are mainly contributed by the weak.
Eventually, the strongest will take all and the weak find themself in no difference from the past.
2000 thousand years ago, yes. You seem to have forgotten that we are living in the 21st century.
Can you imagine what would happen if George Bush simply pass the US presidency to his son or crony?
Can you imagine if George Bush sued Obama for defamation and "fixed" him?
The strongest will, like in gorilla society and baboon society, prevail, but in human society, the weak will gang up against the strong and choose who they want as leaders. Unfortunately, Chinese and Silliporean societies are still living like the apes.
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Originally posted by oldbreadstinks:
look, why don't you go and find something thats so clear as a piece of evidence on PAP corruption you won't get your pants sued off your ass and then get it to straits times and see if they'll publish it, if not i'm sure just about any foreign paper would pay you to do it. point is you need ammo to take them down, concrete proof instead of something you pull from another guy's article who in turn pluck it out of thin air.You have never heard of the official secrets act?
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A more recent one then.
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1625862,00.html
The point i'm trying to make here however, is that corruption will always exist. You talk as if a drastic change in local government would automatically removed such scandals. Free press or no free press. When history has actually showed the opposite, as shown in Chen Shui Bian of Taiwan.
In his defense however, i believe the corruption was neccessary to consolidate his power in a KMT dominated parliament.
If a country is open and free and there is little corruption exposed, that is admirable
Or it could mean they're just not caught until the next big scandal.
But ultimately i'm just saying all this for others to hear the other perspective. You have no interest in discussion, only forcing your views on others. And quite frankly, exactly the behaviour we hate getting from the PAP.
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Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:
You have never heard of the official secrets act?
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Originally posted by Stevenson101:
A more recent one then.
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1625862,00.html
The point i'm trying to make here however, is that corruption will always exist. You talk as if a drastic change in local government would automatically removed such scandals. Free press or no free press. When history has actually showed the opposite, as shown in Chen Shui Bian of Taiwan.
In his defense however, i believe the corruption was neccessary to consolidate his power in a KMT dominated parliament.
Or it could mean they're just not caught until the next big scandal.
But ultimately i'm just saying all this for others to hear the other perspective. You have no interest in discussion, only forcing your views on others. And quite frankly, exactly the behaviour we hate getting from the PAP.
Sure individuals will succumb to corruption and that is why it is important that no individual gets to retain power by dishonorable means. That is why it is iomportant that no individual or party can be allowed to suppress the press from doing its job. No individual or party can suppress opposition and dissident voices.
Dishonorable despots must be cursed to the third generation Father son and grandchildren.
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Originally posted by oldbreadstinks:
you've never thought of a way to get past it?We already have Dr Chee Soon Juan, support him.
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Originally posted by Stevenson101:
But ultimately i'm just saying all this for others to hear the other perspective. You have no interest in discussion, only forcing your views on others. And quite frankly, exactly the behaviour we hate getting from the PAP.
thats what i told him the last time, he's no different from the PAP, he just wants PAP out for his own ideals with little regard to the people he claims he's fighting for, other then adding us as a footnote in his arguments. -
Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:
We already have Dr Chee Soon Juan, support him.
well then most unfortunately for him i happen to hold the same view of him as i do of you -
well then most unfortunately for him i happen to hold the same view of him as i do of you
Why?
Have you met and spoken to Chee Soon Juan?
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Japan will come out on top because they do not have to play nice to the USA for the simple reason that their Prime Ministers are honorable people and are willing to step down anytime.
I don't think your logic or facts are correct.
See:
...Nowhere has this been more the case in Japan, whose economy has remained in the doldrums ever since its bubble burst in 1990. For seventeen years straight, quarter after quarter, Japanese land prices fell, and so did stock market prices – and hence, the collateral pledged as backing for loans. This quickly left Japan’s banks with negative equity. The Bank of Japan’s response was to devise a way for them to rebuild their balance sheets – to “earn their way” out of the bad loans they had made.
The policy was not to revive the faltering domestic market in Japan or its industrial corporations. From 1945 through 1985, Japanese had a model industrial banking system. But in 1985, U.S. diplomats asked Japan to please commit economic suicide.Angered by the striking success of Japanese industry, U.S. officials asked their compliant Japanese counterparts to raise the yen’s exchange rate so as to make its industrial exporters less competitive, and in due course to flood its own economy with credit so as to lower interest rates, thereby enabling the Federal Reserve to flood the U.S. market with enough cheap credit to give a patina of prosperity to the Reagan Administration.
This policy – announced in the Plaza Accord of 1985 – led economist David Hale to joke that the Bank of Japan was acting as the Thirteenth Federal Reserve District and the Japanese government as the Republican Re-election Committee.
http://www.counterpunch.org/hudson1027
China is the one standing up to USA, not Japan.
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Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:
Why?
Have you met and spoken to Chee Soon Juan?
nope never, neither have i met mister yap either. but the way he carried himself from clips i've seen of him, his track record, plus the fact that we share different views made it clear enough to me i'm no supporter of him and a view very unlikely to change even in the far future. -
but the way he carried himself from clips i've seen of him
Hope that those clips are not from state media.
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Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:
Hope that those clips are not from state media.
why? because they don't carry a flattering image of him similar what his supporters think? what if i don't think his videos at SDP site's improve my image of him either? -
why?Because state media is biased against all opposition parties and in favour of PAP regime.
what if i don't think his videos at SDP site's improve my image of him either?
SDP site is more balanced and fair than state media. At least they allow people to post comments criticising SDP.
State media got allow people to criticise PAP regime?
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Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:
SDP site is more balanced and fair than state media. At least they allow people to post comments criticising SDP.
State media got allow people to criticise PAP regime?
Hello, first of all, what is SDP, of course you can comments and gives critics about them, they are nobody in comparing to PAP.State media must give a good image to the ruling party, if it allow people to criticise here and there, where do PAP credibility lies?? Your govt ok. What if you allow westerners/foreigners come in and criticise badly on singaporeans and their govt, you think it is good for our image???
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Hello, first of all, what is SDP, of course you can comments and gives critics about them, they are nobody in comparing to PAP.
So you are saying PAP cannot be criticised because they are big.
Small people can be criticised?
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Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:
Because state media is biased against all opposition parties and in favour of PAP regime.
SDP site is more balanced and fair than state media. At least they allow people to post comments criticising SDP.
State media got allow people to criticise PAP regime?
haha maybe they don't allow criticism but i don't have a good view of LHL after seeing him on tv either lol.
only time state media made me view him more favorably was when he did that chili and onion thing
on the other hand with regards to SDP site, "fair and balanced" apparently depends on the readers' viewpoints on politics. this is my honest view on why opo parties suck in SG
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SDP site, "fair and balanced" apparently depends on the readers' viewpoints on politics.
At least Chee Soon Juan allows people to criticise him on SDP website.
Lee Kuan Yew doesn't allow people to criticise him on state media.
From this attitude, I say that SDP website is "fairer" and more "balanced" than state media.
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Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:
So you are saying PAP cannot be criticised because they are big.
Small people can be criticised?
That is fact of life, take it or leave it, u try critising your director and the sweeper of yr organisation or our PM Lee and Dr Chee in public , u see what is the outcome.It is not a matter of big or small, it is a matter of power, even you, when yr boss talks, you listen and obey, but if yr desk cleaner talks, you take it leisurely. Got it.
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Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:
At least Chee Soon Juan allows people to criticise him on SDP website.
Lee Kuan Yew doesn't allow people to criticise him on state media.
From this attitude, I say that SDP website is "fairer" and more "balanced" than state media.
We voted the PAP with a 66.6% confident in them, if people critise LKY, he/she criticised our votes too, isn't that a shame to us. But if people criticise Dr Chee, what loss do we get? nothing.To be fair, like it or not, PAP won the last election, we endorsed them to be our govt, lead our nation to glory. Same goes to US, if democrat wins, the Republican will still celebrate and embrace it, but our people here are not so liberal to accept the truth.
If SDP gets voted as the next govt, i will support them and condemn anyone critising them..tho me not eligible to vote yet